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This is a question for members who have run Steroids both in their twenties and around 40 and beyond, or basically both younger and older.

How have you found the effectiveness of compounds changes as you have got older on both muscle mass and strength? I've been wondering if there is a massive difference in running them from 25 onwards as opposed to say when you are 45? I was reading an article the other day that said as you approach middle age and beyond the number of nerve cells that you are able to activate within muscle fibres to make them contract lessens over time too :(

Ivatroj's picture

My experience:

First cycles ( about 34 years)
Respond better to steroids - I felt better getting a pump, better aerobic capacity, greater power.

On the other hand in the last cycle ( 47 years).
I used only a not big dosage it’s made me feel fantastic (youthful effects, energy levels,better sex drive )
It has given me an appetite for life.
All the characteristics of getting older, such as feeling tired, painful sensations in joints etc, get put on hold.
I didn't feel such a big change like that in the young.

TheFlash85's picture

Definatly bro.
You build up tolerance aswell like with everything.
Some steroids are d.n.a altering.
Cells are produced for the purpose of shuttling, binding, transporting and converting and they die off once no longer having a purpose.
The older we get the less cells are created and the more die off without replenishing.

Also at 25 youd still be producing a decent amount of everything naturally which we know also declines with age.

First cycles when new to steroids produce bedt gains.

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BJ's picture

Def have to dial things in more with diet as we age! I still get great contractions in my late forties & strength is still there though. I take long breaks between cycles to reset my receptors

alekaras's picture

Don't quote me on that but I think big Ron was Natty until became a pro ,after that freak status !! Obviously genetics plays a big deal !!

johnmarshall12's picture

I didn't start using GEAR oil I was over 40. I have run countless cycles since then one many years with GREAT results!

I think if you wait till you're older they may be as effective as when younger but make gains that would be impossible natty to be achieved.

Forehead's picture

I can vouch for some wrong doing here. I started AAS at 19, someone literally handed me some gear and an item that’s taboo here in open forum and that item he gave me was given with little to no direction..... I had to figure that shit out and it was thru trial and error I didn’t die... I cycled a few cycles and then me and him stayed on for 3 years straight... fucked my body up, I had to go on TRT when I was 25/26ish I forget exact age lots .... my gains came WAY easier in my 20’s Im in my mid thirties now I have visible abs... my legs don’t grow like they used to and I have to attack this from different angles to get the desired results, I would love to go back and not fry my body , I didn’t have eroids then, lesson learned ....hard to say because I’m still learned those differences... i Maintain strength but I don’t gain my size as easy, I could eat less and gain more in my 20’s my diet has to be massive now and I have noticed I need more carbs... than when i was younger... but juice wise yes my body is responding differently

Immortaltech's picture

as you get older, your metabolisim will slow down for sure u will need more food, as muscle building wise, im not so sure, i always thought the older you get, the better more mature your body will look, i never seek mass, i seek quality gains and muscle maturety which wont happen with less than 10 years imo

Forehead's picture

Ya I am experiencing stuff here I didn’t expect I held a decent amount of muscle base because even before I started cycling again I blew up real nice with a mature look.... prolly looked better off cycle natty before I cycled just at a 175lb max before I started lifting again I was 158 lol... so I’ve been 237 to 158, I was a skinny 135 pound kid when I first first started lifting sooo I have come a long way....I’m learning more now than ever though, some of things I did were good practice amongst you guys something work only for me... and some of things I did were wrong , live and lewrn

Blaaahdk's picture

Think maybe receptors burn out a little after a lot of years. Plus evolution cant fight it we Get older the body does not respond that Well to compounds used. And the training sadly

addicted.to.pain's picture

Damn good question

I would say it has a lot to do with The Genetics of the user, people respond differently at different doses and experience different sides , all of that is going to matter as they get older.

press1's picture

Yeh Bloody hell - At 71 he puts most guys that TRAIN to shame in their 20's & 30's!!

plantguypete's picture

This is a good question, press1

I am not 40, but I can imagine this scenario from a biological/physiological perspective.

They say you should not start AAS until you have reached your natural potential (something hardly anybody does). They also say that you should not start AAS until your natural levels are no longer sufficient for efficient biological functioning and efficient building of muscle (not necessarily true, as everyone has different physiology. Some have higher test than others for some age).

Regardless, there is no doubt that the overwhelming majority of people will have lower test at 40 than they did at 25. In fact, I imagine that one would be lucky to have test in the mid-normal ranges at 40. Evolutionarily speaking, the average generation age of humans is 28 (meaning this is the average time of reproduction). This is tested empirically and through simulations (population geneticist here). This suggests that prime reproduction age is 28, also suggestive of optimum hormone levels (after all we are animals with animal instincts).

In any case, if we think about the addition of exogenous hormones and how they crash natural levels, then the same dosage should influence levels similarly in both a 25 year old as a 40 year old (assuming other physiology is the same). What I mean by this is that if both a 25 year old and a 40 year old take X dosage, they would in theory both have Y blood serum levels.

Where I don't think there is any question about the efficacy of AAS, the 25 year old will respond better in the moment. They are younger, generally their joints are better, their body is still developing as far as skeleton goes, skin is younger and healthier, their cells are younger and more receptive and resilient.

I do think from a health perspective, it is way smarter to start as a 40 year old, unless you make a nice living making money to look prime as a 25 year old. By 40, you are past your prime hormone levels, and your brain is fully developed. Not to say harm wont be done due to exogenous hormone application, but much less to fuck up at that point.

Bottom line - I think 25 year olds will respond better overall, but a 40 year old with low T will feel like a god on a moderate T dose since they are accustomed to the crappy feeling of low T.

Just my two cents based on my deep understanding of human evolution and biology in general. I know AAS use is taboo in the world, so less research has been done on these types of topics.

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fusebox's picture

Solid info ++

Bearded_muscle's picture

Seth Feroce made a comment about nandrolone not blowing him up anymore the way it did in his youth, which is why he prefers EQ more at this stage in his development. For what it’s worth.

I think there is a natural progression away from wet anabolics and toward dry looks as you get older and stop caring about who the biggest guy in the gym is. (With the exception of low dose deca for joints in some...) Blood pressure becomes more of a factor.

press1's picture

Well I wouldn't doubt anything that Seth says - The Guy is an Animal ...

I enjoy watching his videos too, christ he can go hard in some of the sessions I've seen, literally minimal rest in between heavy sets and back at it again. Same as what Dallas seemed able to do when I watched some of his Back training going between Deadlift sets then straight onto Barbell row's then back again. That stuff really separates the men from the boy's. Superior Genetics again must enable massively heavy and cardio taxing workloads ...

Bearded_muscle's picture

Amen, that and a serious “fuck you” mindset you can switch on and off for when you’re getting after the heavy weight.

press1's picture

The strange thing is Dallas was obviously very fit to be able to train that intensely - Yet I seem to remember the autopsy saying virtually every organ in his body was massively damaged. So you'd think the restrictions and functioning of his organs would limit his working capacity but I guess not.

JL's picture

20's no anabolics needed in IMO. The body is in it's prime. Most fail to apply themselves to the lifestyle so best results are never achieved. Hence the expression "Youth is wasted on the young"

30's This is when size comes to play (at least for me). Metabolism slows down a bit, bodies have stopped growing and found equilibrium. Dedication and focus are easier. Train hard and grow.

40's This is when old injuries start to haunt you. I'm starting to think I ate too many rice Krispies as a kid because now everything in my boby snap, crackles and pops. Still dedicated but slowing down. The 2 hour + gym sessions are hard. Time to balance sports activity, can't do it all anymore. Most rest needed. Cardio becomes more important. Old developed muscle have become solid. Maintaining size is easier. Keep going the honeymoon is over.

Not 50 yet.

I did not mention AAS. Why? AAS will enhance performance at any stage in our lives. It's heart, dedication and mind set that will ultimately determine the outcome of results. With or with out AAS.

fusebox's picture

It's heart, dedication and mind set that will ultimately determine the outcome of results

That right there is gold +2 JL. Nice to see you around

JL's picture

Thanks fuse. Been busier then I’d like to be the last few years. Finally settling down and getting back to training like I should be. Happy Thanksgiving!

hulksmash82's picture

Wow really good topic. Just started gear about 2 years ago and im 37. I guess allot of things would have to play role. I'm sure it's different if u started in ur 20's and continue use until ur 40's as oppose to someone who has never used and doesnt start until they are older. this is just my opinion of course!

steroidmen's picture

Good question . I'm 36 . Very interesting opinions after 40 .

Bill1976's picture

I’m curious about this too. I didn’t start steroids until two years ago. I’m now 43.