posted Sat, 08/24/2019 - 00:58
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How long to run first cycle
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Hi guys. First cycle, I'm in week 7. Want to know how much further to push before PCT.
Wk 1-4 20mg Dbol (in 2 doses/day [now stopped])
Wk 3-7 400mg Test Complex (in 2 doses/week)
Wk 4-7 300mg Deca Complex (in 1 dose/week)
I'm using AI and cycle support. Thinking I prob should go under 12wk due to dbol and being my 1st time.
Cheers!
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Good thing you researched and had all those answers before you started... [sarcasm]
Obviously you didn't research at all.
Lmfao you win the dummy award!
Yup, next cycle will be done properly.
PcushionEveryone feels different about cycle length. The theory proposed most often is 12 weeks for beginners. I started my first cycle in 2010, I am going to start my PCT as soon as my clomid gets here....
RustyhookerI started my first cycle in 2010, I am going to start my PCT as soon as my clomid gets here
Typos i hope....?
PcushionLol I was just being a smart ass. I cycle as foolish as the one in the post warranted a comment equally as foolish.
RustyhookerHaha....
Get a load of the noob, he thought he doesn't need clomid in his first PCT regimen!
Then when he got picked up on this he immediately went and ordered some!
What an asshole! Get him boys!!! lol
RustyhookerIt was sarcasm...just worded off kilter. Poking at the new guys trying over the counter pct from gnc.
PcushionYeah the typo killed it. It was supposed to say “a cycle as foolish as the one purposed.” Oh well I am “noob” so it doesn’t matter anyway.
RustyhookerLarge sized newb. Just run with it
But... you mean my tribulus and zinc won't be enough? lol
RustyhookerIt sounds funny silly but no joke....its been proposed. Lol. Ummm....ya. lol
TrenDaddyThat's alot of gear for a first cycle i wouldnt recommend. If it were me i would drop everything but the test and extend to 12-15 weeks depending on bloods at this point.
Reading through I'm confused are you planning on continuing this poorly planned cycle, extending it, or are you planning to shift to PCT now?
There's been lots of good advice given and my two cents is in line with most of it.
Should be running a one ester test only your first run. If you have some test e or c on hand I'd shift to 500mg of test split out to 2x a week for weeks 8-12 to give the deca some time to clear out, it's still going to be around for awhile hindering possible recovery, 19 nors shut you down harshly. Back when I was trying to keep the nuts functional I'd always run some hcg to keep the boys working when I ran 19 nors to try to offset their harshness, and found it made PCT much easier. So maybe get some to fire the boys back up prior to pct in those weeks 8-12, lots of good info on here about dosing. Then also in that time get together a proper PCT because like others have said nolva only PCT immediately after deca most likely isn't going to do the trick.
Take some time off after this to recover and do a lot more research before you do cycle #2 seems like you just jumped into this one, there's lots of info on this site and guys willing to help, next time ask before you jump, I'm sure you'll see much better results and your body will thank you.
Kind of surprised no one brought up what your diet is like for this first cycle, being you didn't plan this part right and diet is the most important part; use to be the first thing addressed when a noob posted up a cycle like this.
Hey thanks yeah thinking that will be the plan and carry things on a bit longer while getting hold of some Clomid and HCG which I've heard good things about. I don't really undertstand what's the issue with multi-ester test compared to single ester?
I'm strict on the bulk diet, it's essentially keto with a minimum 2000 cals (this is high for me, I put on weight easy and my usual diet - cutting with about 1500 cals) with target of 1g/lb protein sourced mainly from meat, nuts, eggs/dairy and protein shakes/bars. No starchy carbs and low sat fats. The cholesterol spike means I supplement with high fibre, omega 3s and plant sterols.
A typical day might be something like: Breakfast - flapjack/oatmeal, large glass milk, yoghurt, coffee. Morning snack - apple, orange, milk, coffee. Lunch - water, chicken breast and mixed salad. Late lunch - Nuts, milk, coffee. Dinner - meat, green veg. Pre-workout - Fried egg, peanut butter. Mid-workout - protein bar/tin of fish. Post-workout - large whey & casein shake. I also pop BCAA whenever I feel lacking protein.
Are there any improvements you can suggest?
i pound through 2k calories before 9am every day. Eat more if you want to grow, otherwise you are sticking things in your ass for no reason - no homo.
Props for coming on here and asking for advice though, you have taken it well so far! Stick around, you will learn a ton here.
Rustyhookerstrict on the bulk diet, it's essentially keto with a minimum 2000 cals
Smh.... keto bulk? Your pic is hella underweight. Fix the diet bro. And the cycle yiu chose....you shoulda had that fixed first
Whats your pct? Dump the deca
I've put on over 10kg since the pic last year, yeah eating more now.
Going for HCG, Nolvadex, Clomid PCT since getting advised.
And yes I've dropped the deca now, going to cut my losses.
upping your PCT game and giving the deca time to clear will be beneficial for recovery, glad to hear you're going to make that adjustment.
Another thing I like to do when bulking is a fake desert protein shake before bed where I incorporate extra ingredients like nuts, fruits, cocoa, etc, and sweeten in up a bit with some stevia, blend it up with a bit of ice and milk, it helps me fight off the cravings for sweets while following a diet, and loads in some extra calories and protein. I prefer to use a protein blend like syntha 6 for these drinks.
Alphamale500@GreatSpear is 100% correct! You really need to up your calorie intake to around 4000 per day. You're not gonna gain any muscle eating only 2000 calories per day. People eat 2000 calories per day when they're trying to lose weight, not gain muscle! Shit, with training and everything, you might even lose weight eating that little! Try and bump it up to at least 3500.
More calories, I burn more than 2000 calories a day just existing. Add in activity level and exercise and I’m burning 3000-3500 per day, so then if I want to gain weight I need to add even more calories. Which ends up with me eating ~4000 calories if I want to gain 1lb of muscle per week.
A quick calculation that took all of 30 seconds Based on Your stats - BMR: 1953 Calories/Day
Moderate You exercise moderately (3-5 days per week)
3027 Calories/Day
Eat more food and increase protein intake, 250g would be a good point. That would be 25% of your caloric intake at 4000 calories.
Alphamale500Absolutely correct! 2000 calories per day is like a diet! He should really shoot for 4000.
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I knew you guys would say I wasn't eating enough, ok I'm going to beast it but if I get fat I'm blaming you! lol
Alphamale500Lol, you won't get fat without noticing it happening anyway! 2000 calories/day just isn't enough for you, especially for a bulking cycle with the compounds you're running. Imo, you should bump that up to at least 3500 calories/day to start with. Then you can adjust from there. And you'll see how your body is adjusting to the increased amount of calories. Here's a couple sites to help you calculate how many calories you should be eating to gain muscle;
https://blog.voltathletics.com/home/2015/9/9/blm-part-4-when-how-and-how...
http://www.checkyourhealth.org/eat-healthy/cal_calculator.php
And btw, you really need to do all the necessary research to properly run a cycle in the future bro. And I can't stress how important bloodwork is, and maintaining normal blood values like e2!
It's all about making sure you eat quality calories with the right amount of protein, and to grow you're definitely going to need more calories.
Many years ago before ever running anything and before I knew just how many calories I really needed I was in a calorie deficit, but losing muscle, gaining fat because due to my schedule at the time I was eating the bulk of my calories late in the day, so I was burning away muscle by day, storing fat by night.
In order for me to hit the calorie intake I need and keep the fuel flowing I tend to lean on snacks of things like walnuts, almonds, sunflower seeds and the like, concentrated calories mostly from unsaturated fats, and always have a selection on me to snack from in between actual meals when trying to gain weight.
Thanks for the tip with the seeds and nuts, I generally try limiting them but I'll keep a stock.
Alphamale500I just noticed something and just wanna clarify. In your avatar, that's a pic of you? And you weigh 100kg, or 220+ lbs? Did you mean to put 100 lbs instead of kg?
That was me last year at 85kg pre-bulk (and natty), the most toned I've been.
Alphamale500Oh, alright. I was just looking and something didn't add up there, lol!
I've learned a lot of hard lessons today guys, cheers for the advice and pointing a noob the right way.
Do you have a good protocol for PCT? That's important to avoid a system crash> BTW; I'm not a big fan of this cycle! But you'll get better with experience1
What is the test you are taking? Is the complex a blend of esters?
Why did you not start taking test until week 3?
What PCT do you have prepared for after cycle?
You have not done bloodwork for e2 but you have symptoms of crashed e2, which isn’t surprising considering you’re taking 1mg per day of Anastrozole(Arimidex). That’s what Im taking in a whole week at 500mg and consider myself e2 sensitive. I am no doctor and haven’t seen your bloods, but that dose is too high and your e2 is probably non-existent. Get a blood test for your e2 ASAP. You most likely need to get your e2 back up.
12 weeks is normal for a cycle, personally I am running 12 weeks at 500mg Test cyp for my first go. Considering that you didn’t start your test until week 3, I personally wouldn’t run test E or C less than 10 weeks, it takes several weeks to build up in your system and if you run a short cycle you’re ending the cycle right as you’re finally reaching peak levels and getting good results from it. That being said, your cycle looks like a mess from the start and it may be better to call it quits, pct and start over fresh with a better planned and better researched one 4 months from now.
Here’s some reading for you:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-l...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/th...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/how-to-run-a-cycle
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/ive-just-finishe...
Cheers for the input and the links. I'm using a 400mg/ml blend of Test E, P, A, C, D.
As for why I didn't start with Test, I basically fucked it and thought I could oral only. Of course I started shutting down like my blood work showed and started feeling physical effects and realized my error.
So then when I took the leap and started pinning thought I might as well take dbol off the stack as it takes more of a toll on the liver.
As for PCT I've got 20mg nolvadex pills, planning 2 weeks after the last dose to take 40mg/day for 2 weeks then 20mg/day for 2 more weeks with test boosters and stuff to get started up again. Does that sound sufficient?
Maybe I will end this cycle soon, I'll definitely look to get another blood test and ease up on the Arimidex in the meantime.
Read the first link for a good PCT.
In the future stay away from blends and stick to test E or C.
So after using DECA, test, and dbol for your first cycle, your PCT is Nolvadex??
Dude i am telling you this for your own health....You need to take this shit more seriously from this point on. Recovery is the most important part of any cycle and Deca shuts you down hard.
Ok bud point taken, I'll get some aromasin and clomid and drop the deca for the remainder of this cycle.
The trash can mix,........ everything the bathtub cooker had left over, into one cocktail because some sucker is sure to buy it, ................hell, he probably told you it would cure cancer.
"he probably told you it would cure cancer"
Damned... it doesn't?
Damn it Dave, you promised me!
Lol...
Ok guys, so if I drop the deca how much longer would you say I should run Test only, considering I've taken this other stuff?
What does your research tell you??
I'd presume slightly less than a usual 12 week Test cycle to compensate for the extra strain that the other AAS put on my liver and balls. Though it'll mean cutting my losses with some waste due to poor timing
Too many moving parts.
One compound!!! Not a complex compound, a single ester compound.
Your first (1) cycle. One (1) compound.
Second (2) cycle .........
You need to apply the KISS principal.
KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid .
Do your research buddy... A lot of great things on this forums and a lot that has been repeated a million times through the years. Such as this.
Man you should not have ran all 3 of these for your first cycle. The longer you're on the Deca, the longer its going to take you to recover.
I think the smart decision is drop the Deca now, and run test only until the end.
3 compounds is way too much for a first cycle, 12 weeks of Test E would have been best. The Dbol doesn't need to be split into 2 doses until you hit 40mg a day IMO and from what I've found works the best.
Dbol should normally be split in 3-4 doses to keep levels stable. Doesn't depend on the daily dosage.
That maybe what you've found, but my personal findings are different.