posted Mon, 01/14/2019 - 10:13
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Long-R3-IGF-I powder in acetic acid vs sodium chloride vs bac water
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well hi guyz iam a bit desperate so i decided to ask maybe i ll find some answers here......
after 3 small cycles of gh i decided to give igf 1 a try because hgh was not that good for me
(i had higher expactations) and yes of course i know taking aas or peptides are not a magic pill
of course my dieting and excercises where on point.
what so ever after all ive readin the main goal of cycling hgh is to produce a lot igf 1 correct me if iam wrong
then why not injectin igf instead but thats another story
what i need to know is the right way to reconstitute igf-1 lr3 and is it neccesary after 4 weeks having a break
or is it possible takin it longer thanks in forward for readin this.............
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Can I hear any thoughts on these, but with HGH instead?
Thanks
AA is crucial for IGF1 stability, in our product (Somedin) we including the AA in the formula for a reason in the proper ratio, BTW this is the identical case (AA included) in the originally patented IGF1-lr by Repligen Swiss
Here is a good read IMO to your question on using/combining GH and IGF1 - https://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/gh-igf1-and-should-i-comb...
STEMwell i have to thank ya ll both 2 different views from such experienced users much appreciated bros!
Any LR3 worth its weight in salt will have AA as part of its formulation so you shouldn't be adding any. If going to run lr3 you would be wise using GH alongside it.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/why-hgh-when-we-have-igf1
You also gave me some great advice on IGF in the post below
https://www.eroids.com/pics/promo-contest-prize-lands
Stem, good man! You are right on HGH. It is almost completely pointless.
IGF is where it is at for a little hyperplasia and hypertrophy, but also to stop certain proteins from activating the androgen receptors. IGF also co-activates the andro receptors believe it or not. However, should IGF usage affect natural GH you need to tip a little in as other bodily processes us GH.
There is pretty much ZERO purpose to running GH higher other than for fat burning and if you purposely wish to destroy insulin sensitivity and possibly shorten your life too.
So a good protocol is say 1iu GH as a replacement and whatever dose of IGF you settle on. Lr3 best due to duration of action which directly impacts anabolism.
I use bacstat water and sterile water.
Nice one mate. Glad you popped in the provide an alternative perspective here. We are in different places on this one and as you will see with what I said to Dexter below I am glad that we all have the opportunity to listen to and learn from this differing viewpoints +2 from me!
Shit brotha man, I hope my post didnt look as if i was trying to contradict your posts. Honestly I havent read all of the posts, which I will do now!
I will tell you straight up, our recent convo's prove beyond all doubt how different compounds effect different human beings in so many different ways. So one man's view (mine) sure as hell cannot necessarily contradict another man's experience (yours).
It's all about nuggets. Keep collecting the nuggets!
No no no not at all the opposite my friend. I meant genuinely everything I said here as below. And you’re right compounds will affect us al differently and this is the beauty of this site - we can share these perspectives alongside science and people can form views and then experiment as safely as possible.
STEMthanks giardap :-)
FR SENT!
Accepted!
Don’t think you can really judge HGH after “short” cycles, hgh needs to be taken for longer periods of time, up to 6 month to fully appreciate it’s effectiveness. Dacky covered the rest I guess, anything to do with hgh, peptides he’s the man to talk to.
Yeah that’s true
Yes sorry 100% correct in that GH is rather a “base” than something you just throw in. That said you can run it at a lower dose with IGF-1 in the mix and my view is it can we used effectively in shorter cycles than traditionally used but for pure muscle building effects.
If I were to do this I’d probably go something like 4 weeks at 8iu per day GH then 4 weeks at 4iu GH and 50mcg IGF-1 LR3 pwo then 4 weeks 8iu GH then 4 weeks 4iu GH and 50mcg LR3 pwo. The IGF-1 weeks should be enough to compensate for the raise in BG from the GH but I would monitor fasting BG and add Berberin/Banaba accordingly. This alongside a well thought through 16 week aas cycle, with good diet, training and lots of rest/recovery/sleep should make for excellent gains in my view.
Great info Dacky, thanks for being around and helping us to clarify these bits.
If you’re interested take a look at this stack I constructed - https://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/peptides/gh-igf-1-lr3des-peg-m... - I plan on running a slightly modified version of this for 4 weeks from mid Feb to see how it works out.
No worries mate. It is interesting. If you see above Giardap provides an alternative viewpoint. I have a massive amount of respect for him and consider him my friend and I am not saying he is wrong at all. I am sure he would tell you the same about my perspective. The point is that this is the beauty of a site like eroids. There are multiple correct and viable perspectives and means to achieving certain goals and all would be wise to listen to all these views and then make there own decisions.
You’re absolutely right, there no one formula that will work for everyone, same as other aspects of life you have to collect all the information available from the people that already done this and then figure out for yourself what fits you.
The only proof of successfully scheduled PEDs plan would be the progress pictures I believe.
And as you said just because someone else’s approach is different, it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
But thanks to everyone on here sharing your knowledge.
STEMexactly!
Depends on how the IGF-1 is made. Some make it with AA already in and in that case just bac water is needed. If not then you should reconstitute with a little AA and the rest bac water - and be prepared for a little stinging when injecting. Taking a 4 weeks break after 4 weeks is advised if you plan to cycle on and off. If it’s a “one off” then I’d go as long as 6 weeks. Do you plan on running GH at the same time? You will find the IGF-1 and the GH combination more effective than anyone on its own.
STEMFirst of all thank you very much for your helpful comment
my concern was just bac water maybe destroying the proteins of that igf 1 and there where a lot rumors on the net so iam more confident now.
So you suggest stacking it with gh ok i think igf des is not neccesary cuse to short halflife
Bac water will not “destroy” the proteins. AA is used to keep the IGF-1 molecule from being stuck in the microscopic crevasses in the glass vial - well that’s the theory at least. To be honest most don’t even bother with it and I have never known it to make a difference. Des is a great compound but is used differently compared to LR3.
I usually reconstitute peptides using Bac water. As far as duration of taking Igf-1-r-3 four weeks is not long IMO. But you need to make personal decisions.