posted Tue, 07/24/2018 - 08:22
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High testosterone levels
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My last cycle was test and winny with nolva, clomid. Here it is 3 1/2 months after Pct and just got blood work before next cycle. The thing is my test is 1069, Lh is 9.6 and estradiol. 52.1. I am 53 years old! What's up with the continued high levels?
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Bro all i know,,,and maybe I should start my own thread, is that I'm 41, was on cycle and began getting some varied side effects. This was the second time ever since using PEDs. As of last week my total test was 8500 yet I feel very weak in comparison to a couple weeks ago. And I think I even lost some muscle
RustyhookerYour own forum is a better place
Yeah I agree and so as soon as I get my labs from my actual Dr I was gonna start a page because I have alot if shit on my mind and alot of questions. I want some real direction. I've made so much progress in these last 2 years,,I'd hate to lose it all because I was too afraid to reach out for help.
RustyhookerPerfect! Look forward yo it!
XrplolIt's so hard to lose muscle while on steroids and on proper diet
Can u give us more details about your cycle
And for the fatigue it can be ur liver inzaym through the roof
Are you taking anything for your liver protection?
Maybe the clomid kick started your natural production... If you put on more muscle mass your levels will be up as well.
4 months later? I'm 53! Haha
I'm 59. Before going on TRT I was able to raise my levels naturally via diet and adding more muscle. That is a natural condition not having anything to do with a past cycle. Also, it's worth pointing out your natural levels are always changing, get a 3rd test and go with the average.
Been lifting for a while. Mostly to stay in shape with one goal in mind. To bench 350 when turned 50. Didnt happen. Routine isn't always on point. Traveling with work and hotel gyms don't cut it. If I know I'm staying a while I will pay for a month at a local gym. Made it to 325 naturally then did my research. Made it to 345 at 52. Wasn't sure if I should worry about this high test thing. Always went down before. Only 3 cycles in my life time. Should I start my next one or wait? If you read all comments you'll see my progress.
I'd wait as long as you're seeing (or keeping) gains and your levels are as high as someone 20 years younger than you.
Less is more, particularly at your age. Benching 345 @ 205 is exceptional at any age much more so at 52. Is that your 1 rep max?
Yes, 1 rep.
LH is very high. This suggests to me that there is something funky at the pituitary. Given what you have been up to, on paper, either you still have clomid blocking that high estrogen or your pituitary is shagged. There are other possibilities like false tests, but usually the simple explanation is right.
To explain; estro at that high level will induce a drop in LH production, but yours is mildly high (>7). That is presuming the nuts are working, and they appear to be if test and estro production are up. So, it is unlikely a testicular issue if you truly are clear of endogenous test.
high LH can be caused by meds that act on the pituitary like clomid and tamoxifen, or some illnesses like crazy autoimmune disorders making the body go hyper. You see this a lot with the thyroid.
A likely explanation is that you are underestimating the clearance time of your clomid and/or tamoxifen in PCT and need to wait for the pct meds to truly clear the system.
These are just thoughts on the feedback loop and considerate of the meds you took for pct coupled with unusual blood results. In reality the only advice is per KMC, go doc, get bloods again. (labs make mistakes sometimes).
I guess your SHBG is elevated (still due to clomiphene and tamoxifen as a compensation as those directly activate gene expression in the live) which then artificially elevates test levels, but free test should be within the normal range.
2 choices
1) see a doctor
2) wait 2 weeks and retest, if results are the same, see a doctor.
Your health is NOT something to fuck with.
Retest. Something is off.
That was the second test. First one was 1109 3 weeks ago. Thought something was wrong then but was on vacation and couldn't retest until yesterday. Strange, huh? My normal test levels are in the 500's. Blessed for my age.
Give it some time, and see if you return closer to your baseline, prior to starting another cycle. Keep eating and listen to your body.
Are you using any other sups, vitamins, etc?
Ok, here it is August 31st. Just had another test done and test is still 946. LH 10.1. Estrogen 34.4. Mcv 101. Mch 34.3. My pre cycle test levels are around 540. It's been months since I've done anything. What gives?
Count it as a blessing.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^amen!
Thanks. Probably not like I should be. I do the usual sups but no vitamins, fish oils etc.
Thanks. Probably not like I should be. I do the usual sups but no vitamins, fish oils etc.
Look at it from the bright side - don't have to spend money on gear, your body produces more than enough. Lol
What were the levels before you cycled? Are they elevated compared to those.
Yes. Almost double on the test levels. Everything else was normal.
Did you use test E or C?
How many mg a week?
How many weeks in the cycle?
What exactly was your pct protocol?
E for 10 weeks at 500mg 100/100/50/50 clomid 40/40/20/20 nolva 5 weeks of winny af the end
Probably overkill on the pct. But as I said before I've been off for 3.5 months.