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+ 8 Androgens, Estrogens and Psychosis : Taking a Different Turn and a Stab at the Truth! (Androgens, Estrogens Dopamine 2018)

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As we've written in our article Androgens and Depression : Are they Nature's Intended Prozac - we know from science and Experience, that androgens have an anti-depressant effect - but its also possible, that in some cases Androgens may protect against Psychosis/psychotic behavior [1].

A study in 2013 noted that following androgen-deprivation "therapy" - many subjects developed Psychosis, including refractory Psychosis.

Of course, the picture is fairly complicated, we KNOW that Schizophrenia occurs more in Men, than Woman. From that and well-written articles like this one - it would seem Testosterone would be an anti-target.

Unfortunately - nothing is that simple; the same article also reviewed that while Testosterone in some cases facilitated development of Schizophrenia, it also protected against severe Cognitive deficits and ...when added to antipsychotic treatment, proved to reduce negative symptoms in a major way.

Additionally, there have been other studies showing Testosterone treatment improved Positive symptoms of Schizophrenia, as well. These of course, have been very few in comparison to the studies on its relevance to negative symptoms.

ESTROGEN AND PSYCHOSIS/SCHIZOPHRENIA

Estrogen is a whole 'nuther ball game when it comes to Schizophrenia. Not only have drugs like Raloxifene, which affects Estrogen receptors been proven to improve Cognitive and Mood symptoms in both Men & Women with Schizophrenia [2] but a large Review also indicated that Aromatase/Estrogen themselves have the largest role among all sex hormones in both the development of Schizophrenia and the course of it [3].

However - that role is exceptionally sophisticated given the multitude of differing study results...generally it seems that Estrogen plays a "protective" role - however, the excitotoxicity that can be achieved by Estrogen-dominance, may also precipitate Psychosis and / or worsen Schizophrenia symptoms [4]. Apparently, this is in part related to Estrogen's ability to weaken the immune system from viruses that may lead to degeneration of the Brain Regions involved in Schizophrenia [5].

Other studies have also noted that elevated Estrogen levels in Women associated with menstruation/ovulation are associated with Schizophrenic/Psychotic symptoms (positive association) - and thus, in some cases, SERMs can be used to block excessive estrogen-activity rather than utilizing other treatments.

Even if Low levels of Estrogen are generally a risk-factor for both the development of or the exacerbation of Schizophrenia [6] it is still prudent to note that excessive levels may cause a more severe form of it as well.

Since Estrogens can increase the general EXCITATION level of the nervous system...this can promote particularly dramatic presentations of Schizophrenia; where lability, Aggression, delirium are predominant symptoms.

SPECIFICS AND PHARMACOLOGY OF SEX HORMONES

Testosterone does not and is not capable of affecting the Brain neurotransmitters itself. It is only when it "converts" into its 5-Alpha-reduced metabolites; DHT and 3-alpha-diol that it can cross into the nervous system and exhibit effects on various aspects of neurochemistry [7].

The predominant effects of strong Androgens include.
Enhancement of GABA-release [8].
Increasing NMDA-glutamate receptors [9].
Decreasing serotonin levels/receptors [10].
Improving acetylcholine release [11].
Regulating norepinephrine/adrenaline [12].
None of these effects are exactly consistent with the prerequisites for development or exacerbation of Psychotic disorders in any form...but its possible that a functional imbalance between Androgens and Estrogens may lead to a "fluctuating" rather than excessive dopamine, state.

Those fluctuations may be particularly dramatic - especially in individuals with other risk factors.

Dihydrotestosterone and other Androgens also seem to promote neurogenesis (growth of new brain cells/synapses) - particularly in coordination with Exercise [13].

ESTROGEN'S ROLE

Estrogen has been found to have acute and chronic anti-dopaminergic effects [14] under certain conditions - however, it also can stimulate the Dopamine system in Humans [15] and inhibit the Dopamine transporter and its expression [16]. These effects along with the well-regarded research on Estrogens critical role in the male and female libido would seem to indicate that Estrogen can promote Dopamine activity [17].

Another review uncovered a critical role for Estrogen and Motivation in Humans and animals [18]. Suggesting again, a pro-dopaminergic role for Estrogen.

In light of these findings/reviews, it would seem that both sex hormones are well-capable of contributing to Psychotic symptoms - but the picture can get more complicated...since Schizophrenia also involves other neurotransmitters like Serotonin...to which is frequently ELEVATED in Schizophrenics [19].

ANDROGEN & ESTROGEN
ROLES IN SHORT-TERM PARANOID PSYCHOSIS

Up until this point we have evaluated primarily the role for Male and Female sex hormones in Schizophrenia and generally, Psychosis. What we haven't evaluated in detail, is their role in short-term bouts of Paranoia or stress-related Psychosis.

First - let's dive into a specific aspect of Paranoid Psychosis.
Paranoid Schizophrenics tend to have elevated Norepinephrine levels, also called Noradrenaline [20].
This is specific to them, since catatonic and typical Schizophrenics don't show this remarkable elevation...at least as often [21].
Anabolic-Steroid abusers tend to exhibit, out of all Psychotic symptoms, a disproportionate amount of Paranoia [22] - versus other symptoms such as Delusions or Hallucinations.
Paranoid personality traits often arise in long-term anabolic steroid abusers [23], probably related to the increase in Adrenaline and CNS activity caused by steroids...hence why powerful anabolic agents such as Tren and Deca raise blood pressure remarkably. Its the Adrenaline.
Estrogens on the other hand, at least in moderate amounts, tend to relieve/alleviate Paranoia [24].

****** CONCLUSIONS******

Although both Androgens and Estrogens can play positive, helpful roles in the treatment of Psychosis/Schizophrenia, it seems that on the whole, Estrogen seems more beneficial.

However - these studies showing such results should be interpreted with great caution - as high/elevated Estrogen is just as much a risk factor for ALL mental disorders.

In fact, because of the complicated relationship between Estrogen and immune activity - it may be overall worse for long-term Mental Health and specifically, BRAIN AGING, to have elevated Estrogen levels, regardless of possible ameliorative effects of Estrogen on Psychotic symptoms.

It is the conclusion AND responsibility of this article, and the Authors of this blog - to inform the Public that the correct interpretation of this information is that HORMONE BALANCE is the ideal state. That is, that neither a deficient level of Testosterone, other Androgens OR Estrogens is acceptable nor ideal - and can possibly promote multiple Psychiatric disorders; including Schizophrenia.

Therefore, to Bodybuilders, fitness enthusiasts - or just people interested in hormone health. It is recommended you frequently see a Doctor if you have some concerns about levels of sex hormones.
As always, follow the steps to get and stay healthy - such as eating right, optimizing macronutrient/micronutrient intake, cutting body fat and improving motivation levels.

If you do have a Low-Testosterone level, you can follow the suggestions in this article to boost it.
If you HIGH Estrogen - consider a natural supplement like 7-methoxyflavone - if that doesn't do the trick, Arimidex can be purchased at store name redacted for a good price. :-)
If you have LOW Estrogen/E2 levels, the best bet is to use something like Clomid along with a mild-gonadal agent like E-Pharm Test Force II - whose ingredients raise BOTH Testosterone AND Estrogen.

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shaun1's picture

Truly a very informative read. I'm diagnosed as Type2 Bipolar and I have been on meds now for going on a little over 20yrs. Over the years My Dr's have changed my medications numerous, numerous times. I'd take one for several months just to find out it helped none, then it was on to the next and the next and the next after that. I've had a few that worked really well untill my brain would build up a tolerance to it and we'd have to up the dosage until it just didnt work for me any more. And let me tell you the side effects to these medications at time can be brutal and flat out scary. They would be anything from sleepiness, sleeplessness, to zombifide to lack of appetite and in a few cases I suffered from suicidal/homicidal thoughts. I've at times been afraid of my own self and feared what I could possibly do. Luckily I've always been able to keep my composure until I could get back to my Dr to adjust my dosages or change the med out all together. This being being said, the mind can be a dangerous and terrifying inhabitants. Even though the medications I've taken throughout the years have helped me live a life of ok quality and kept me saine I never really had a calming sense of pleasure. It wasn't until I first started dabbling with Testosterone that I experienced the sense of well-being that I had felt in very younger years. Now I've felt happy throughout my life while on bipolar meds but it was nothing more than a false sense of happiness. One can tell the difference between the 2 if they know what their experiencing. So now that I have added a test regiment along with my bipolar meds I can say I feel a lot better than I did on the meds alone.

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kibby's picture

Hi mate,

Was just wondering do you smoke weed?

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shaun1's picture

I do. But it has to be high cbd low thc strains. To much thc and I get panic attacks. The cbds help to relax me and helps me deal with my stress. I've been clean of all other drugs for over 6yrs and I really only just started smoking for the past year. Its legal in my state to buy and smoke so I am able to find really good quality cbd rich strains. Back down south where I use to live all we had around was mid grade at best.

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giardap's picture

Any word on whether it helps inflammation Rusty? From the family crew that is...?

shaun1's picture

My mother is eat up with Rheumatoid Arthritis to the point where her hands have locked up and it has caused her to be hunched over badly and her Dr. reccomended CBD to her. She has tried every Med avaliable for it and nothing has helped. I got her a low THC high CBD strain of smoke and it has really helped her. A few weeks ago was the first time she been able to open a drink bottle without help in years she was so happy she cried. I'm looking into ordering her and myself some pure CBD oil from a reccomended source.

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shaun1's picture

One of Our friends on here gave me a link to order some from. I checked them out and they seem like a solid source and their prices are not bad at all. It even comes flavored.

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giardap's picture

LOL
I wasnt expecting that! Well thats good enough for me man!!! I will trust a dog's word over big pharma any day of the week!!!

DfromPhilly's picture

Amen to that

giardap's picture

Truth right there!
Ask him to please become a people doctor too. Its for the good ofnthe human race haha!

shaun1's picture

I'm not really in it for its main use, im strictly in it for the cbd's. Despite what the government and big pharma says it does have great healing properties. And these days with select cross breeding their able to produce a really high grade quality product. Cultivation has come along ways these days.

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shaun1's picture

Slow down friend nothing wrong with what he asked me. It was a straight up question its all good.

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Ozninjaguy's picture

Interesting that a question by kibby that the OP thought was an insult has led to a really informative post.about CBD.

kibby's picture

Don't be expecting that to happen to often oz....

LMFAO

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shaun1's picture

Yes it did.

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fusebox's picture

So you're back bumping your threads again to promote your blog again I see.

kibby's picture

How have you come to that conclusion?????

Don't start your schoolground bullshit with me mate keep that to yourself.

Please explain how I've insulted anyone at all????

The only insult I see is you to Carlos..... a guy with a shit tonne of knowledge...........

"Not a lot of intellectual output!"

What I have noticed lately is the second someone questions your work you act like a little kid and the toys are out of the pram.

You won't get another reply from me on the matter have a good day mate

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shaun1's picture

He was asking me in medical terms not applying that I was dumbed down. Smoking can and does help with many issues dealing with the body and brain. I took kibbys question as if he was recomending it to me and not in a negative way. Area you should have asked kibby to explain his question before you jumped down his throat. Not cool man not cool at all. Were all brothers here and that's the way we like it.

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Greg's picture

You are a "we" now is it? No longer a member but an organization or entity? An information source?

Well, we do not allow unverified sources of any kind to peddle their wares in the forums.
And, we are tired of you ignoring our repeated warnings and you continually playing that thin line between self promotion and interaction.

Ozninjaguy's picture

Mate - you might have jumped the gun a little - the 'we' could mean that he has Multiple Personality Disorder...so we, I mean you, shouldn't be so harsh on all of them...maybe one is a good bloke..or maybe not. Carry on..

Greg's picture

Believe me I wrestled with the thought he was just that or was using the "Royal we".
Since he was such a Royal pain in the ass, I settled on the latter usage of we.

kibby's picture

Greg,

If we ever meet I'm buying you a beer that doesn't run out all night ;)

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fusebox's picture

Finally

kibby's picture

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Ozninjaguy's picture

Quite an annoying little twat wasn't he (Area-1251)?

kibby's picture

Absolutely up his own ass mate.

Thought he was above everyone on this site. Then a few people starting questioning his posts because they were researching for themselves and finding discrepancies in his work.

And then that's when the 18 year old spoiled Bratt came out in his posts

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giardap's picture

Funny thing is, I told him that it was so clear he has a passion for blogging that if he just did it right and without the shill stuff, it could be pretty good
I think the 10% was the real passion now, rather than the blogging

kibby's picture

Yeh to be honest when he first arrived on the scene I enjoyed reading his posts but after a while it was basicly just self advertising......and he was relying on alot of folk to just take his word for it and dismissed any additional research disproving his posts

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Ozninjaguy's picture

Yes - Giardap and Carlos both wrote excellent critiques of his post. I tried checking the cited sources but nothing came up - links didn't work. It was then that I figured it was unsubstantiated bullshit.

Ozninjaguy's picture

It seemed like a left-field question, but I knew where you were going with it - and if the OP is as knowledgeable as he is implying, he would have gotten it too. Also, I didn't see any insult in it.

kibby's picture

Thanks oz,

I definitely wasn't taking the piss.

I have a freind with bipolar. He constantly smokes weed now and feels better for it.

But when he smoked it say once or twice a week he noticed his symptoms were much worse say a day or two after.

That's what I was getting at mate and what shocked me even more was the fact that someone who writes alot of posts about this and that couldn't connect the dots on one simple question??

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Ozninjaguy's picture

No probs mate - my brother is bipolar and finds that weed is more effective than the meds. On the various meds he is often suicidal - on weed he seems to level out.

shaun1's picture

I've been on bipolar med for along time like 20yrs they help me a lot but I also have a lot of sideeffects from them as well. When I smoke I feel a lot better and adding the smoke with my meds cancels out the bad sides. I'm hoping that I can soon faze out the RX meds all together and just use CBD's.

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kibby's picture

That was the exact situation with my pal. It was a case of trail and error to find the best medication suited to him.

Was tough to see him sometimes going through what he was/is But since he started weed everyday (about 2 years ago) he's a completely different person.

Obviously has his ups and downs but not even half as bad as he used to be.

I wish your brother good luck and good health mate take care ;)

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Eagles 2013's picture

Hey guys, I read somewhere (it was a peer reviewed study on marijuana use; don't remember the name or I would cite it) that heavy marijuana use was associated with an increased likelihood of developing male gynecomastia. The biggest thing that jumped out at me when I read this was that the researchers DID NOT note an increase in estrogen production in males, or any other hormonal imbalance that we typically associate with causing gyno. It only cited an increased prevalence of males with gyno.

I have been a pretty regular connoisseur of the ganja for the better part of the last 15 years as well as many of my friends from childhood and college. My theory on this is that the increased likelihood of developing gyno cited in the article was not actual breast tissue growth, but a build up of fatty tissue in the chest that results in "man boobs" due to marijuana's impact on diet and exercise. It is a struggle for me to stay out of the junk food when I smoke and I am pretty much glued to the couch. Since the article didn't cite marijuana consumption leading to any estrogen related hormonal imbalances I am inclined to believe that it doesn't increase the likelihood of actual breast tissue growth.

This thread just brought that to mind and I wanted to see if you two or anyone else had ever heard something similar.

All the best,

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kibby's picture

I have my very own medical term for this bro.

It's called "sugar tits"

LMFAO!!!!!!

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Eagles 2013's picture

Lmao!!! I hope you don't mind but I am going to have to borrow that!

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kibby's picture

Have fun brother

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Ozninjaguy's picture

There are a few articles out there on the net which you could have easily referred to before posting. This one is old but from a reliable scientific source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/920892

Eagles 2013's picture

Looks similar and that is a very reliable source, but I don't think it was the same one. Mainly because the abstract in this link seems to deny the cause and effect relationship while the article I was referring to supported it.

My opinion is that the article I referenced was trying too hard to turn correlation into causation. There is absolutely a correlation between the two, but I do not think that there is significant evidence to say that one causes the other.

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Ozninjaguy's picture

Gyno isn't really a well understood condition. Cannabis is alleged to cause it (yes, I did also read something years ago), alcohol is another cause, AAS another, some heart and other meds - there is a long list of possible causes, and the medical community don't seem to be able to understand why these compounds may possibly cause gyno. Then there is the fact that not all guys react to the same 'stimulants' or the same level of intake of possible causes.

Eagles 2013's picture

All very good points.

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