1300 from 350 a week?! How is this good? I’d be super bummed. I hit 1300 TT at half that dose. Did everyone that said “great numbers” even look at the test?
And should be even higher if e2 is in the tank like that cuz you’re clearly not losing any to conversion.
Maybe you’re just a shitty responder? Is this a normal number for you at that dose?
Hey bro tbh i did have slight higher expectations on test but im no expert and thought the number was ok.
Iv been running test for sometime trt dose but bumped it up alittle to see if it made a difference.
Not sure if its due to that or e2 being crashed or the fact that i took my shot was taken 6 days before bloods drawn.
crashed e2 would cause a higher total test number if anything, because you're not losing any test to e2 conversion. but 6 days after your last shot could possibly show lower than it normally would be. I'd still expect higher than 1500 at 350, though.
I'm a pretty high responder, but 175/week puts me at 1300 and I have bloods to back that up. 150 puts me at 1100 and 200mg puts me right at 1450-1500. That being said, I dose twice a week so my levels are always pretty consistent.
What's your normal TRT dose, and how long have you been at 350mg/week? I'd split your dosing protocol to twice a week, too.
Thanks for info bro and yeh iv started to split dosage from nlw also to keep bloods more stable and dropped the ai and trt only 200mg wkly which i bumped it up only id say about 3 wks ago so not that long go.
Cool. Yea 3 weeks isn't that long but if you already had the 200mg base (which will put most around 11-1500), you should see a bump by week 3 even though it's still a week or 2 away from full blast. Could be that you were dosing once a week though and you pulled on day 6. I'd be interested to see what the number would be 4 weeks from now with split dosing.
thanks again for posting. I'll be pulling bloods from the same exact batch and same exact dosing (I also bumped from 225 to 350 when I switched to the dragon enanthate a few weeks ago). I'll be interested to see if and what the difference will be between us.
Tbh glad i pulled bloods so i can fix this but tbh i feel ok i do get fatigued now an again and occasional joint pain but libido is good no ED problem ever either. Plus iv been on a cut so low cals dry physique no acne or but again crash estro is not good.
for posting, I feel like crap when my e2 gets that low, all my joints and my lower back hurt constantly. You get that straightened out you should grow like some weed.
Dam man totally backwards for me if I'm low I feel like crap get big fat zits on my back and get palpitations I feel good a little over the high Mark but that just shows with people need bloods over reading everyone is so different
Not bad for the igf. Might be a little higher if you switched to a 5 iu slug once a day rather than split. Mine should be up sometime this week.
Thanks for testing bro, I know it’s not cheap. +
This is anecdotal but hitting it all at once has produced higher igf levels for me and I’ve discussed it with others on here as well. Dope in particular. He found that 6iu was the break even point where if he went above that dose he would get higher igf by splitting shots but below it was better to shoot all at once.
Now if your goal is just fat loss you’re better off splitting shots regardless of dose.
Thank you for this information brother! I have read about the all at once method producing a higher IGF total. I was told that if the dose is greater than 4iu you should split it. Both you and Dope seem to know what's up so I'm gonna go ahead and try 5.5iu all at once first thing in the morning and go from there. I really like this Neofin and I want to push for the best results possible while we have such an awesome product available.
Interesting! I may give it a trial run. I run my 3iu am, and 1iu pm, nothing huge, but it produced good numbers for me. If I was hitting 5iu I would probably do 3iu am, 2iu pm OR 5iu @ 3iu am, 1iu mid day, then 1iu pm, but that's not possible for me really. Anyhow sweet, just wanted to hear your school of thought on that! Cheers!
Thanks yeah i was thinking of doing this method but iv always stuck with split more so for the sides in the past and kinda stuck with it but may switch things up.
Food for thought. If you have symptoms of low estrogen you have this options.
1. Take a one time dose today now of your weekly total so 300mg and in a week or 2 your estrogen will be normal. Do not use ai for a while.
2. Do nothing stop estrogen drug and wait a few weeks or month till it starts rising.
3. If you don't feel bad just stop ai for next month
You need to stop your estrogen drug. You are at zero. Crashed. Ty for bloods. Igf1 is awesome. Your free test us really low. Proviron would help you a lot. Test total is great.
1300 from 350 a week?! How is this good? I’d be super bummed. I hit 1300 TT at half that dose. Did everyone that said “great numbers” even look at the test?
And should be even higher if e2 is in the tank like that cuz you’re clearly not losing any to conversion.
Maybe you’re just a shitty responder? Is this a normal number for you at that dose?
How long you been running the test e?
Thank you for testing +2
Hey bro tbh i did have slight higher expectations on test but im no expert and thought the number was ok.
Iv been running test for sometime trt dose but bumped it up alittle to see if it made a difference.
Not sure if its due to that or e2 being crashed or the fact that i took my shot was taken 6 days before bloods drawn.
crashed e2 would cause a higher total test number if anything, because you're not losing any test to e2 conversion. but 6 days after your last shot could possibly show lower than it normally would be. I'd still expect higher than 1500 at 350, though.
I'm a pretty high responder, but 175/week puts me at 1300 and I have bloods to back that up. 150 puts me at 1100 and 200mg puts me right at 1450-1500. That being said, I dose twice a week so my levels are always pretty consistent.
What's your normal TRT dose, and how long have you been at 350mg/week? I'd split your dosing protocol to twice a week, too.
Thanks for info bro and yeh iv started to split dosage from nlw also to keep bloods more stable and dropped the ai and trt only 200mg wkly which i bumped it up only id say about 3 wks ago so not that long go.
Cool. Yea 3 weeks isn't that long but if you already had the 200mg base (which will put most around 11-1500), you should see a bump by week 3 even though it's still a week or 2 away from full blast. Could be that you were dosing once a week though and you pulled on day 6. I'd be interested to see what the number would be 4 weeks from now with split dosing.
thanks again for posting. I'll be pulling bloods from the same exact batch and same exact dosing (I also bumped from 225 to 350 when I switched to the dragon enanthate a few weeks ago). I'll be interested to see if and what the difference will be between us.
andrejcutlerthanks for sharing, Solid numbers.
which batch do u use, amounts looking very good!
but your E2 is damn low I would feel like dead with this amount lol
Roid RunnerBatch of DP Test E?
TE02-EU EXP 10/2019
Thanks for sharing
Hope I get the same batch when they are able to ship
Funny. I have the same batch and I’m praying he’s just a Shitty responder. We’ll find out in a couple weeks when I get mine done.
Sweet thanks for testing. +1
Thanks for testing +
Thats wusup..how long were u on the pro before you pulled bloods?
Finished a full kit before bloods bro.
Nice, How long until you felt side effects (if any) on the pro?
Was running pharma from jan and switched to these in feb and not felt any sides at all beside snoring like a trackter lol.
Thanks for sharing. How are you feeling on low oestrogen?
Tbh glad i pulled bloods so i can fix this but tbh i feel ok i do get fatigued now an again and occasional joint pain but libido is good no ED problem ever either. Plus iv been on a cut so low cals dry physique no acne or but again crash estro is not good.
I feel amazing on low oestrogen too mate.
Dam man totally backwards for me if I'm low I feel like crap get big fat zits on my back and get palpitations I feel good a little over the high Mark but that just shows with people need bloods over reading everyone is so different
+2 for testing
Didn’t notice the estro...estrogen is needed for igf conversion, guarentee your igf-1 would be higher if you let your esto climb a bit
No doubt that's helpful bro, thanks!
Interesting. Good info.
Cheers for the info hopefully now dropping the ai and next test may differ.
Not bad for the igf. Might be a little higher if you switched to a 5 iu slug once a day rather than split. Mine should be up sometime this week.
Thanks for testing bro, I know it’s not cheap. +
Why would hitting all 5iu at once be an advantage over splitting his dosage up?
This is anecdotal but hitting it all at once has produced higher igf levels for me and I’ve discussed it with others on here as well. Dope in particular. He found that 6iu was the break even point where if he went above that dose he would get higher igf by splitting shots but below it was better to shoot all at once.
Now if your goal is just fat loss you’re better off splitting shots regardless of dose.
Thank you for this information brother! I have read about the all at once method producing a higher IGF total. I was told that if the dose is greater than 4iu you should split it. Both you and Dope seem to know what's up so I'm gonna go ahead and try 5.5iu all at once first thing in the morning and go from there. I really like this Neofin and I want to push for the best results possible while we have such an awesome product available.
Interesting! I may give it a trial run. I run my 3iu am, and 1iu pm, nothing huge, but it produced good numbers for me. If I was hitting 5iu I would probably do 3iu am, 2iu pm OR 5iu @ 3iu am, 1iu mid day, then 1iu pm, but that's not possible for me really. Anyhow sweet, just wanted to hear your school of thought on that! Cheers!
I find being able to pin around my eating schedule and job quite a challenge. You did have some awesome results with your protocol as well though.
Thanks yeah i was thinking of doing this method but iv always stuck with split more so for the sides in the past and kinda stuck with it but may switch things up.
Solid numbers.
+1 for bloods
Food for thought. If you have symptoms of low estrogen you have this options.
1. Take a one time dose today now of your weekly total so 300mg and in a week or 2 your estrogen will be normal. Do not use ai for a while.
2. Do nothing stop estrogen drug and wait a few weeks or month till it starts rising.
3. If you don't feel bad just stop ai for next month
You need to stop your estrogen drug. You are at zero. Crashed. Ty for bloods. Igf1 is awesome. Your free test us really low. Proviron would help you a lot. Test total is great.
Cheers bro il try that yeah im cutting ai out and re test soon see how it bounces back up.
Thanks for posting.