posted Tue, 12/05/2017 - 16:39
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Living proof of cancer/diabetes? HGH
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Everywhere you look online you see warnings of HGH causing diabetes and speeding up cancer if its undiagnosed. I am curious more about the diabetes side. How many of you have experienced this or even know of it happening to someone you personally know. One would think its rare if its not ever confirmed on the dozens of BB sites. Thoughts?
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Might be smart to run berberine with your HGH...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/can-berberine-replace-...
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GH mitigated any berberine effect for me, but good suggestion
I measured my blood sugar levels when i started using rhgh. They rose somewhat, and yes elevated blood sugar levels for elevated amounys of time is absolutely correlated with a greater risk of developing diabetes. However, there is also a massive lypolisis effect from gh. So.... i am confused as to what is happening physiologically...
Is the lypolisis due to direct action in the cells... or is it due to improved glucose metabolism? Or both?
I dont know to be honest but i really do feel more sensitive to insulin too so i am suspecting the gh is actually improving glycose metabolism all round, which would reduce therisk of diabetes.
Its fascinating stuff.
There’s zero evidence GH causes diabetes or even altered blood sugar levels in normal individuals with no predisposition to it. Same goes for thyroid alterations, it’s just bullshit broscience spread by forum warriors who should be out lifting.
Now if you’re going to run 20iu along with a bunch of other crap... well science doesn’t have answer for you because that would be unethical and those foolish enough to do so aren’t volunteering their results.
Going to respectfully disagree here brother. Acute effects from gh is blood sugar drops. In the long run blood sugar goes up...A close friend who is a diabetic has to increase his diabetes medication significantly while on Gh. If you were running gh and monitoring your bg levels you’d notice this to be true.
He’s a diabetic and doesn’t fit the “normal” group. I worked in a lab and have well over 2 dozen blood test on myself. I’ve also participated in data gathering for studies.
Understandable. That was just an example of someone who tested their bg while on the gh.
Respectfully, was your gh real that you were using when you tested your bg levels? If real, how much were you using that your bg did not increase? 4-6+iu good gh/day should def raise bg levels within days. Weird your levels didn’t go up, maybe you’re an exception. I thought it was common knowledge that bg goes up on gh (but I could be wrong)
I was on 4iu/d of GH for only about 3 months when I went in for a checkup before starting one of my cycles. My glucose was in the prediabetes range. Freaked me out since there is no history of diabetes in my family and I consider myself pretty healthy with diet and exercise. Didn't like the sound of that so I dropped the GH and got rechecked and my glucose dropped like 12 points back into normal. Could just be normal variation, I don't know but in all my years of bloodwork I have never been in prediabetes range until I started using GH. I was leaning out nice from it along with all the other positive sides with just some slight tingling in fingers so I though everything was cool until I saw my bloodwork. Now when I run GH I cycle lr3 alongside of it and for some reason now my glucose stays normal when doing that.
how long did you go off the hgh for, i was told today i am borderline diabetic even if my diet is very good, i have dropped from 95 kilos to 88 currently, 92 around the waist, to 84 now and dropping but i did increase hgh to 5 iu a day.
Do you still have your labs? I’m sure interested in comparing them. There’s virtually zero studies done on our population group and if I could start collecting some data maybe I can put something merging together.
I think they keep my labs online so I could probably pull them up. I have always tested in the upper 80's low 90's and that test with the GH I popped something like 102mg/dl. Doc said not to worry about it yet since it was borderline so I dropped the GH and my next test came back in my usual range. Tests have always followed same fasting protocol so really only thing that was different that test was the GH use. Last checkup which was right after my last cycle a few months ago I came back in the low 90's while just finishing up my GH and last round of lr3. Haven't ran GH solo and tested glucose since that last elevated test a couple of years ago. That would probably be the best way to test this GH/diabetes hypothesis but I don't feeling like experimenting like that.
I would be interested to see what your results are solo because I saw a 10-12 point rise, but never above 94. However it returned to baseline after 3-4 months. If what you’re doing is working for you I don’t know if it’s worth changing.
Oh so your bg levels did go up on gh?
Only on the first couple hours while fasted, but not long term. This is a function of GH, my statements are purely based on long term baseline FBS changes. I could go into detail as to why this makes a difference if you would like, or PM you a good article on it?
I have testing demonstrating my GH from a popular sponsor on here increased my IGF in my profile, I’ve also used real pharmaceutical brands.
We are not in disagreement that people with diabetes will most likely experience alterations in FBS levels with GH administration that could be permanent, I mention it in another post. Your friend should probably not use it.
Not sure if I missed anything, but there’s lots of bro-Science norms that can easily be dispelled with a few hours of searching on google scholar.
Props for a respectful discussion. Interesting about your levels going up short term.
I see now you’re referring to long term changes. I think you’re right from your original post back a bit ago in that in order to experience that, we’re talking 10-20iu + ed long long term...
Is it possible that the spikes could be related to too many carbohydrates or alcohol intake in some hgh users? High carbs are definitely a reason for spikes in general without hgh
It depends on if they’re truly fasted when taking the test. Even a cup of coffee 1-3 hours can dramatically alter glucose levels. You want to have consumed nothing except maybe some water before blood test and it’s best to do them within 2-3 hours of waking.
I can only speak for me,but 6iu a day in divided doses was enough to send my blood sugar through the roof.Don't get me wrong I got large,but also got crazy spikes and migraines.It was enough to make me toss GH altogether.Ive talked with others and they told me that was too high of a dose and that I should start lower.I was following the advise of a longevity clinic doctor.
Can I get your lab results if you have them? See above comment.
No longer available.This was several years back during the signature pharmacy days,when you could still get compounded generics in America.The clinic I used was in Florida and closed when signature closed.One thing I will admit though,my diet was terrible,beer,cokes, pizza,the works.I am also predisposed,in fact my father died from diabetes.That being said,it was the only time I've ever had a sugar issue,as far as testing though.
In underlying undiagnosed predisposed thyroid and blood sugar issues can come to light with exogenous GH use. I would limit or stringently monitor my GH use and lab values in the future if I was in your position.
I definitely should be out lifting lol and have no real tangible evidence but.....I am convinced that gh has improved my conversion from t4 to t3. I dont have much evidence other than a measured increased basal temp (35.5/35.7 degrees c up to 36.5c), less cold intolerance, reduced pains and anxiety etc. I was having bigger issues previously.
Also as soon as i started gh my blood glucose levels rose. I measured with a monitor. This was despite using bernerine, which is what i had been testing with the monitor originally.
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I think you know my thoughts on your t4-t3 feelings without evidence...
Could you quantify your FBS level increase? Mine ranges from 69-94 and fluctuations like that are normal. Once someone tried to say a rise from 84-89 was evidence of GH increasing insulin resistance, lol.
Of course and undetstandable. .. sure I am the same wrt evidence. Well the symptom changes are (a very limited) evidence, albeit anecdotal and undocumented, but i do plan on bloods over the next year on an ongoing basis with a focus on ft3 and ft4 in particular so it might add a little value over time (hopefully). The thing about thyroid/ft3 is it quite literally a master hormone for metabolism so whilst this is all just anecdotal text on a screen for your good self, for someone with any sort of ft3 issue to say that the inbody/mind difference from any improvement is colossal, would be a gross understatement.
Yeah the fbs pp and 2hr pp levels i documented on the recent berberine test. I was regularly at 5.5 5.6 fasted. If i ate late close to 11pm and not untill am the levels could be 6.5 or a little higher. I lowered this with bererine back to levels lower than the 5.5 guideline. My 2hr pp was close to 10 from memory, but berb lowered it to 6.5 at 1.5 and back to normal at 2.5 hrs approx. However once i had been using gh for a spell my glucose levels were back to pre berberine levels despite using it with every meal at 400mg.
Eating sh1t leads to insulin resistance!! Been there done that!
Do you have some type of thyroid issue? If so that changes the context a little of your situation a bit, PM me if you want to keep it private.
A friend of mine does have a thyroid disease and recently started using GH, his labs were the same after several months of use, can’t remember if he said he felt better though. I’ll see if I can get any of his blood work because he’s not good with it.
What units are your glucose results in? I’ll convert them.
Im in the middle of self diagnosing (yes yes i know how much credibility that gives what i an saying!!) A suspected low total t3 low free t3 issue. So its not thyroid disease as such. Its a reallybtough one and not many people seem to know how to doagnose it in general practice
Yes mmol/L in iteland 5.5 is thr top of the range for whatbthats worth. Below 4.4 and i get hypo iirc
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1806481/
The study basically said that at normal levels you're right, it doesn't raise blood sugar and maybe increases glycogen storage somewhat (explains part of why you look fuller on it even in a cal deficit). But when doses rise you begin to see blood sugar rise as well, in addition to diabetic symptoms.
Do you have the full article? As far I can tell this is an abstract/theory of GH science at the time(1991), which is right after it first was produced on a large scale and Little was known(obsolete). It also sites excess endogenous production, aka acromegaly which besides being a non-normal population they also create exceptionally more GH than you or I could afford together.
Obese, elderly and pre-diabetics will likely have issues with GH doses exceeding endogenous levels with complications increasing as dose goes up, but again these are non-normal populations.
There have been very slight alterations in glucose and thyroid levels during the initial administration of performance enhancing GH programs in normal populations, but these quickly return to baseline as the body acclimates to it.
I don't, I think as long as we're following a rigorous workout routine and eating properly and there isn't a family history then there's nothing to worry about.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19322513/?i=2&from=/1806481/related
This is another one just confirming the high doses from acromegaly causing blood glucose problems but is much more recent. They address that by now we know that the elevated igf balances insulin sensitivity by increasing it after the hgh has decreased it. But that when doses go high enough the hgh overpowers the igf and insulin resistance develops.
I would say it’s another one discussing the possibility;) Confirmation is done via study design, testing and then result correlations. You’ve sited two journal articles that are the equivalent of someone’s take on the days news, however I like this second one.
I have opinions and thoughts on how high the doses need to be to start seeing weirdness, but I don’t want to share them here because OP hasn’t posted stats or goals and there’s too many children on this site.
If you’re curious feel free to PM me and I’ll share my crazy.
39 year old 6ft about 215 and on TRT for almost 5 years. Commercial Fisherman in Alaska and broken everything at least twice. Almost took my leg off last year and need a little lift to get me rolling full swing. Looking for anti aging and better recovery time. Hit the gym 6 days a week but shoulders dont act like they did 20 years ago. Having a hard time deciding a dose and deciphering through the dozens of fake products out there
Some guys rely on tingling in their fingertips as a sign of good gh. I've read that this is peripheral neuropathy and an early sign of elevated blood sugar for too long in the extremities (areas of poorest circulation) there is certainly a link. Then there is the debate of if it is better to supplement your natural "hormone that regulates blood sugar that we don't discuss on this site" but I think if doses are kept to 3 iu or less daily that these specific effects are not threatening.
good comments guy much appreciated. Thats kind of what I assumed that it was more about genetics and predisposition. Thx.