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Hi

Recently while surfing the web,i came across with a workout program from a retired IFBB Pro several times MR big O .

And the idea behind the workout was to train every muscle group every 5 days, something like:
3 days on /plus 2 days off and then repeat. Consisting of morning workouts and evening workouts.

Most Advanced workouts will fall on the typical 5/6 days on weekly, one muscle group per day; 4 days week split training; or 3 days week split with morning and evening training. And the idea behind these kinds of training is to be able to train with most volume/ intensity and at the same time provide maximum rest for the muscle in a given 7 days/ weekly.

Of course many trainees or competition level bodybuilders will usually train the muscle groups twice per week, whilst preparing for the summer or for a local competition, with the aim firstly of maximum body shape/condition, and lean mass preservation and strength retention.

Personally, while on a typical off-season workout program supplemented steroids ,with the single intention of putting enfase on pilling extra amounts of new muscle fibers and size, i like to train 5/6 per week one muscle group per day with a lot of volume/ intensity(4/5 exercises, 6/7 working sets, 6 to 15 reps range. And while i always feel fully recovered, i do feel as well that i could perhaps get away by waiting at least 2 days less, to train again the muscle group from that i first trained at the beginning of the week.

A quick research, will show while Big muscles groups (such as chest,leg, back) might need only 4/5 days to fully recover, will show as well that the Small muscle groups (such as arms/shoulders) might only need 2/3 days to fully recover and be ready for the next workout.

While muscles might need between 2/5 days to fully recover, the central nervous system (CNS) needs 48 hours to fully recover.If the CNS is not fully recovered it can translate in soreness fatigue and a reduction of power output (that is why some bodybuilders only train everything second day). But soreness is not always an indication of CNS not recovered, because many athletes/ bodybuilders will increase their power output or P/B despite still being sore. Lets put this way a bodybuilder muscles can feel sore just by training in a different to the way he usually trains (e.g. a bodybuilder training like rowing athlete competitor and vice versa). Muscle soreness is not something easy to understand or is to explain, but that is another topic for another day maybe.

So after understanding the muscle recovery time and CNS recovery time, i put the question are we serious dedicated bodybuilders that invest money and time in our bodies, ARE FULLY GETTING THE MOST OF OUR GEAR, AND ARE WE REALLY TRAINING TO BEST OF OUR CAPABILITIES?

I for now will start very soon a cycle of test tren (as tren besides being a powerful anabolic/ androgenic steroid, has also very strong anti catabolics properties and a strong positive effect on the CNS.

I will give a go to this kind of workout, of training a muscle group every 5 days, but only doing 4/5 working sets instead of my typical 6/7 working sets, but keeping 4/5 exercises per muscle group and a rep range 6/15.

Please feel free to comment or add something POSITIVE/ CONSTRUCTIVE about this not very usual kind of training.

ref:https://www.quora.com/How-long-does-it-take-for-a-muscle-to-fully-recove...

giardap's picture

There are many approaches and this is only 1.

The truth is that there are many factors that influence recovery and they vary depending on lots of factors.

When my recovery is on point and im in an intense hypertrophy moving to over-reach stage, ill train certain muscles 2x per day and 2x per week in a week where i hit the gym 6 out of 7 days. Thats 4 sessions per week for certain groups. But in a decent periodised program such things change to facilitate progression

JARHEAD2's picture

Ideally would be to try to put my hands on some test suspension and ****

^^^Delete this it’s against the rules

BigWA67's picture

So some youngster comes on here reads your post gets to where you say " Ideally would be to try to put my hands on some test suspension and slin " really !!!

Fireman's picture

My MISTAKE i really had no idea that was a no no subject at EROIDS . Cheers

Fireman's picture

Im not a youngster pal. I have been training since 1996. Another thing: when i speak about test suspension and slin, i mention also ONLY THE ADVANCED BODYBUILDER.

Have a good day.

BigWA67's picture

I didnt say you were a youngster maybe you should learn how to read before you turn all keyboard warrior on me

JARHEAD2's picture

So why not delete like you were asked ... pretty simple bro! Or would you rather end up like this dude??

https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/look-what-hap...

Fireman's picture

Thanks for opening my eyes Bud.

JARHEAD2's picture

No problem pal... there is an advanced section here where it’s discussed. Just look under groups. Thanks for cooperating

Fireman's picture

Once again many thanks for pointing me on the right direction. You are a wise and patient man my props to you.

irongame427's picture

Well the guys in the 70s trained every muscle every other day with crazy volume. I remevew arnold taking about 30 sets for triceps. That's more then most of us do with our once a week splits, and he's doing it 3 times a week. I really thi I got my best results when I hit everything twice a week. I'd go 3 days on 1 off repeat. So push pull legs off repeat. Did between 12-16 sets per muscle, 9-12 for smaller ones. There's been plenty of studies showing one gets more growth form say 12 sets twice a week vs 24 once a week. Makes sense to, 2 chances at growth versus just one. I just really enjoy focusing on one muscle a day, even if growth is slightly slower, I enjoy it more this way.

Fireman's picture

My experience is: - training twice per week for condition and better muscle shape(medium volume) .
- training once per week for pure increase in lean muscle fiber and size(high volume)

training twice per week (only as a one- off) for peaking for a competition, or
supercompensation after a week-off .(medium to high volume).

Those studies that you talk about training twice a week are mainly done on natural trainees, with not much relevance for the guys on gear and on another arsenal of substances, that gives amazing recovery capabilities to train almost twice as harder.

IrishMack's picture

He's been here since 2011 yet doesn't know the rules smfh.