+ 1 *** Need help PLEASE***
Hi! I just signed up so I could find me some knowledgeable people to get me the help I sooo desperately need. I bought some Anavar from a guy that was referred to mye by the owner of the supplement store I go to. I researched the bottle when he gave me it, to see if it was fake, everything past. BUT I should have done a real test with a test kit. Because I highly doubt now, it was really Anavar. For one, Anavar is very expensive. 330 for 12.5mg of 30 pills. The one I bought off this guy was only 150.00 for 25mg of 60 pills!!
Anyways, I started taking those “anavar” pills Jan. 18 2016. Cut them in half and took 12mg a day for 2 months. First month felt good. Got some nice gains and leaned out. BUT then the next month I felt terrible!! Extremely fatigue. No motivation. Couldn't concentrate for the LIFE of me. So I quit the pills. But never returned to my old self. Was getting weaker and weaker. Just feeling completely off. hard to get out of bed. Tried some Test prop for 2 months after that at 15mg every other day because I thought I may have shut down my Testosterone. BUT still felt like complete crap.
Went to a HRT Therapy Doctor. They ran test and said my testosterone levels were extremely low, at a 12. So they prescribed me Anavar as well as Test Cyp. I bought both and Man what a price difference. I just want to feel the way I did before I stated taking “Anavar”. I believe the first time I got Anavar it was fake. Now I know this one for sure is real but I am still scared to take it. Will the real Anavar and Test help bring me back to normal or is there a better way? What are your thoughts to getting me back to normal? I am currently now taking Adderall JUST to give me energy so I can get out of bed in the morning, THAT’S how bad I am. But I don’t need Adderall. I never took it before in my life before “Anavar” BUT it has saved me from soooo much. I would be lifeless without it AND still feel like crap with it. I know my hormones are just out of whack. But I can’t figure out how to fix it and I am scared to take more hormones again.
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after doing a little more reading on women's ptc. It looks like it's just going to take some time to recover. That generally speaking your levels bounce back to normal more reliably than men's.
The common conception is that when the testosterone level drops after stopping your drugs, that you ought to get an elevation in estrogen. The low test level combined with spikes in estrogen can really leave a woman feeling like crap.
Some of the strategies I saw included tapering off the drugs. What you kind of did when you abruptly stopped the Winnie or d-bal or whatever it was. and then got some a doctor prescribe anavar. some women mentioned using small doses of nolvadex to help keep the estrogen under control. Only 5 milligrams a day.
Lots of talk of over-the-counter supplements including 5-HTP, multivitamins, vitamin D, iodine supplements, dim among others.
Is quite unlikely that you have done any permanent damage to your endocrine system. your lady Parts should be up and running in no time.
CB this is a great answer but I m going to call BS... getting a doctor to prescribe anavar without having a muscle wasting disease is extremely unlikely .... as in I know insurance companies don't like to dish it out even to those who NEED it .... I could be wrong in this case as there are exception to everything but really most docs will prescribe testim or a gel for women with low T .....
hmm I redact my statement sort of ... doc in Florida .. anyway good post on your part ;-)
Hi Kodiak. I have been waiting and waiting to reach out to you but couldn't because had to wait for friend approval. You seemed to be the right girl that could help other women out. So I am a bit disappointed that your only comment is to state you think what I am saying is BS
I am clueless as to why someone would lie about getting prescribed Anavar? Can you please please let me know why this seems to be an issue in this platform. I don't have any intentions to fool you all. I don't know how that will benefit me or someone else.
You stated you could be wrong, and I am here to inform you, you are. I can said you private pics on my prescription, bottle, pills, blood test reviews from my Dr.
The Dr. I went to in FL was not the one named below by CBBurr. I took this whole process very seriously. Even down to the Dr. in FL. I checked him out. I yelped him. I checked out BBB and scanned for reviews after reviews on the internet. Any info I could find to make sure buying a 600.00 plane ticket form CA to FL and then all other travel expenses, transportation, hotel, etc. Would not just be a huge waste for me. On top of that I had to pay out of pocket for my meds. Over a 1,000 worth. So for people to be so quick to say my situation I have described above is BS, leaves me very confused about what peoples real intentions are.
I am just a girl that messed up her hormones and seeked out a Dr. to help fix them. Then came here to MAKE sure I am going in the right direction. JUST to make sure.
I really appreciate any advise you may be able to provide.
well CB hit it when he said it is VERY unusual for anyone to be prescribed what you were given what you told us. I did redact my statement nor was I adamant that your statement was BS ... normally anavar is prescribed and very stingily at that to people with muscle wasting issues normally women who have low T are prescribed a gel not an injectable .. that is why so many look at your situation as improbable
you chose a path utilizing a doctor and they prescribed you more hormones to fix what wasn't functioning .... we have no idea why your system isn't functioning properly ... if you don't trust your doctor then get a second opinion from another doctor ...it isn't like we've got your labs and medical history available to make a semi educated guess.
were you able to find out the root issue behind your hormone dysfunction? because that is what is going to drive treatment options that would best serve you.
I uploaded my Blood results.
My Dr. did prescribe me testosterone. I mentioned it in my very first post. Injections though. I didn't want a gel because I read that it is hard to get an accurate dose so I chose the injections, just to be sure. I didn't want to have more Test then I should and get bad side effects. He prescribed me 2 types of Test.
Nandrolone Decanoate is what is written on his recommendation at 25mg every 2 weeks. (Switched out the Deca with Anavar 12.5 daily) And Test Cypionate 0.25 every 2 weeks. So to be clear, I don't have the Deca. I asked for something other then Deca and that's when he changed the prescription to Anavar. Because I read about women using Deca and was not comfortable with that either. So that's how I got Anavar. He said it would help build my muscles back up since he said my blood work showed I was equal to a women in their 60's or older. I will post my blood work as well as my Dr.s recommendations. Thanks for your reply.
the gels are very safe and very effective the dosing is based on the entire tube and the actual absorption rate is much less than what you would expect. its very hard to get too much test from a tube. i ll try to get over to labs and look at the blood work when I can I can already tell you I don't care for your doctor though
What are your thoughts on pallets? Do you currently use gels, if you don't mind me asking?
And what is your opinion on the most amount of Test a women should have in her body to feel her absolute best? What would you say is the right amount to feel amazing with the lest amount of bad sides?
You mentioned you don't care for my hormone Dr.
Is that because he prescribed me Anavar and Deca? Or are you just not fond of HRT therapy? If so, what do you suggest I be doing?
I have an appointment with an Edo. but my regular Dr. has no clue about hormones. I feel I knew more about them, then him. Most regular doctors just try to tell you, your depressed. What would your recommendations be, now that you can see my blood work?
I think your HRT doctor missed the mark with anavar and deca but I m not the medical professional looking at your entire case history etc.. just seems very unusual.
I used to use the gels but couldn't get them anymore without insurance they run about 900$ a month.
as for what feels good and what is normal that totally depends on you ... I can tell you that there is no such thing as not having side effects from running testosterone .. ever.
as an example of what feels good and what is normal my thyroid was in the very low end of normal and I was put on t4 .. i ended up taking 180mcg which is very high in order for me to feel 'normal' .... I had a good friend who was on TRT replacement and his levels were up in the 700s which is considered normal he still felt like shit and didn't feel 'normal' until he was prescribed hcg ... in the every day course of things people forget that the standards the medical community uses for dosages and ranges etc is a GENERAL idea and doesn't fit everyone .. finding your normal is a very subjective matter
I understand that the doctors tell you you are depressed I've had them do it to me when they reviewed my medication and I basically told them they were stupid and shouldn't discuss that which they don't know about and to consider that a persons hormones are out of whack before rushing to prescribe psychotropic medication to further fuck things up.
I ve told some of the guys here to get their wives some of the books written by Suzzane Sommers (forgive my spelling i think I just butchered her name) and start reading .. in the back of several of the books is a list by state of reputable doctors that actually know what they are doing .. I suggest you check them out I honestly don't want to give you any specific guidance based on your blood tests etc I am not medical doctor . I only have the information that I have through personal HRT issues and research done in service to body building and power lifting.
cmb,
its just very unusual for a dr to prescribe anavar for that.
but you never know......
and fla is known for anti aging clinics that are loose with the ol prescription pad.
low dose androgel would be a more typical thing to get.
also, had no idea you traveled to fla all the way from the other coast.
I see. Thank you for all your help... for your advice and links you sent me to help further educate me. This platform is very blessed to have you as a member. I am very thankful for you. I will for sure keep you posted on my progress.
Yeah when I saw Florida I figured it was wellnessfitnessnutrition.
I have been feeling this way since March of 2016. My Dr. gave me Vit D3 injections. I need to still pick up the other items listed. I sure hope I didn't do any permanent damage. Is there a way to tell if I did?
I think with some basic blood work if you get a good idea of what's going on. When a woman's ovaries start lagging behind on estrogen and testosterone production we see a surge and luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone.
You can check testosterone estradiol follicle-stimulating hormone luteinizing hormone and get a general Wellness profile for about 75 bucks. You can check other things like thyroid stimulating hormone free T3 and free T4 cortisol DHEA progesterone pregnenolone.
If your doctor is giving you vitamin D injections you must have been pretty low. I think it's one of those vitamins that absorbs well orally.
My wife who is on hormone replacement therapy takes 10,000iu a day vitamin D
I suppose worst case scenario is that you started menopause early. As I mentioned before some women do start in her late thirties my wife was in her early forties when it kicked in. With bioidentical hormone replacement therapy you can get back to living a normal life and have a great sex drive energy level Etc.
so keep in mind is that the end of the world. There is hope. Every woman goes through this. You just got there a little earlier and may actually Snapback out of it. I'd start with a basic hormone panel for 75 bucks. Labsmd.com hormone panel for females
The pills are 50mg tabs and 50 count it clearly states that on the bottle ... so basically you jumped into 25mg a day and had side effects not suprising especially considering biotech gear has been known to be overdosed... i assume youve never taken gear before ?
You dont need a hrt dr in fla what you need is a real Dr that can give you advice on getting your hormones in check id say the best thing for you is time off and see if they return to normal not jump back on test and var ...
like i said on your pics your the first person ive heard complain about the var my buddies girlfriend had great results off 10 mg a day he ran 50 mg a day loved and hes about 260 lbs very lean and pretty sure he knows the difference between winny and var.
But hey you can listen to honest feedback from someone whos come across and ran biotech or you can just hear what you want hear.
I took 12mg a day. I cut the pills into 4. I should have wrote 50mg instead of 25mg. The last time I took the pills were in March of 2016. So it has been some time ago. I clearly wrote the wrong mg of the entire pill BUT the dose I took daily was 12mg. I am going to get a test kit and document the process. I will keep this forum posted. Thank you for your advice.
Got the go ahead from Greg to post up pics of the fake anavar for identification purposes. Maybe some of the guys will recognize it.
I am trying to post it but it keeps giving me an error message saying
Ordered from : found no valid post with that title.
What should I be putting in this section to by pass this error? I put that I ordered it from a guy at the supplement shop. Didn't work though. Not sure what else to put. Don't want to just make up something.
Right, put in eroids.com
Just start typing eroids and it should pop up
Ok great. Ill post it now.
CMB,
sorry for the confusion on your gender. We occasionally see dudes trying to run an anavar only cycle and thats a big no no.
It's pretty standard for chicks. It is quite possible that you got something other than anavar. Most women dont experience quite the post cycle blues after anavar.
Steroids are described as being androgenic and anabolic. Some are far more of one than the other, Anavar is meant to be mostly anabolic and give you some nice gains without making your clitoris grow, deepen your voice or give you facial hair. If you had any of those side, and were horny as fuck that is a good sign it was something like dbol , adrol or tbol.
Regardless of what oral steroid you took, it's time to get you back on track. At 37 you could be experiencing both after cycle low levels as well as pre-menopause. Not for sure, but some women do and when you tinker with you endocrine system it can bring it on early. ( that happens often with dudes and manopause)
I'd start by seeing just what is going on with your hormone levels. We get our own blood work done cheaply and anonymously. There are 2 options, labsmd,com or privatemd,com .
You order your labs online and go to a nearby office to get bloods done, with either Quest or Labcorp. They will email the results to you.
You will want to check thyroid, TSH free T-3 and T-4
Testosterone, free and total (your 12 ng/dl level is low closer to 45 is ideal)
LH
FSH
pregnelone
progesterone
Vit D
estradiol
DHEA
Cortisol
In the mean time, take a vit D supplement, Iodine supp, multi, coq10
This will help you see whats going on, and give you an idea if its going to fix itself or need some help. My wife goers to an amazing BHRT Dr and he definitely has treated women in your age group for low test and other pre-menopause related hormone deficiency,
Feel free to send me a freind request if there is anything you want to discuss by PM.
wish you luck. tons of people both men and women have been in your spot. it'll be OK
Its ok for the misunderstanding. I didn't realize there were so many people messing it up for the ones that really are seeking some good advise. You guys probably deal with a lot of BS on here.
I know for sure that the "Anavar" I was giving was fake. Because all the research I did told me I would not have to worry about a androgenic effects unless I took a crazy high dose. I notice I was getting some around the same time I started to feel like crap. So that's when I stopped taking it but the damage was done as far as my hormones go :/
BUT do you know that you are the first person that told me it would be ok and how others have been in my boat. I have to admit I teared up when I read that. I needed to hear that and believe it. This has been the worst experience of my life and I have been through some shit but at least I had focus and WILL power and just energy to LIVE. Its been so tough feeling lifeless but not knowing how to get better and the only thing that keeps me going is Adderall. I will no longer take it because of what you have brought to my attention. So thank you soooooooo much for that advice.
The DR I seen in FL did blood work on me. I can send you the results. I also JUST took another blood test so I can see exactly where I am at before I took his prescriptions. I seen this doctor 3 months ago. That's how unsure I was on taking his advise but now I think that's the way to go. He also prescribed me Vit D3 injections. And a few other vitamins. My thyroids were off and he had prescribed me something for that but it was just getting way to costly. So he said try to get a supplement for it. DO YOU think that will help or should I take his meds too for thyroids?
** Iodine supp, multi, coq10 Are those all supplements that I can get at the store?
And I think you are right about you saying I was tinkering with my endocrine system. I get hot flashes now like older women describe as menopause. Man I really messed my self up. :/
Thank you for this advice!!
I'll talk in more detail when i get to my laptop,
but dont panic.
lotz of gals do run androgenic stuff and bounce back.
yes, you can order vit d, a multi and iodine from Amazon.
my wifes dr has her take a little DIM too
FYI it's looking like she may have run winny. Don't know if that helps.
Did this dr tesr your thyroid levels? Thats a major problem in women. Lack of energy/fatigue is a huge side effect of hypothyroidism.
Yes he did. And he said they were off a bit. This is what it says on my blood work
Thyroid:
T3, Free 3.0
T4, Total 6.8
T4, Free 1.33
TSH 2.90
He prescribed me some meds but I was at 1,600 and needed to cut back on some stuff. He told me I can try a supplement instead of meds for that. Do you think my results are bad that I should focus on this too?
You would not be having these symptoms with those thyroid numbers. They would be much lower with the symptoms you're having, especially with extreme fatigue. Check it again 6 months and see if there is any changes. I would seriously doubt it. You are not getting any better doing absolutely nothing especially since it's been so long with these symptoms. Get bloods for your test again though first and see if its still really low if not you got a whole other issue altogether. Your endo system is out of whack and you'll need synthetics to jolt it back to normalcy. See an endo
I took another blood test a week ago. I will post my results tomorrow. But my test went up from a 12 to 25. Still feel the same though. But glad it went up over 10 points. It has been awhile now. So it is going up pretty slowly. I was hoping it would return normal with out having to mess with any hormones again. But like you said, doing nothing sure isn't helping me :/
If I take these synthetics that Dr. prescribed me, will I always have to take them? For the rest of my life? Or is there a way my hormones will finally stay at the proper level once I end them?
25 ng/dl is getting pretty close to average.
what is the reference range on your report.
i think 45 is the high end for women.
it may worth looking at other hormones.
anyway, very good sign that your body is recovering.
the goal for sure is to get you back to drug free and normal. at least till menopause.
can you recap what you are currently taking?
Eh I would agree. Slight indication of hypoyhyroidism but just barely. Just to be on the safe side perhaps try the otc supps he reccomended. Wont hurt and if you feel better go in for a 2nd look. Because your levels are ok now doesnt mean they are always.
Ok yes I will take that supplement. Thank you. Glad to know they aint out of whack too.
I dont believe any of this story. Wow!! Just a little research will tell you no orals alone. Are you a girl? Are your stats correct lol.
You believe I am making up a story just so I can post it on here? What are the intentions behind that?
Yes I am a female. I am very new here. I am just looking for advise. I am not here trying to fool anyone. I am not sure what the point of that would even be. Trust me when I say I do not have the energy for that. Maybe there is something I am doing wrong with my page? Should I write I am female on it or how can I be more creditable? It seems there are a lot of fakes on this site. But why would there be fakes?
Anyways, my stats are correct. Why the lol? Man, what a trip. I feel I am in a whole new world and am clueless on how to come across on this platform.
People do it all the time but there is a woman's section on eroids and they'll help you out for sure.
Ok so posting this in the ladies lounge is more for both men and women? What is the name of the place where the women are? And thank you!
backonroidsX2
ok, 170# you are probably a dude.
kinda think the dr prescribed anavar is BS.
you need to take a day and just read up on the basics of steroid use.
you cant even understand the answers to simple questions without the basic knoledge
Why would I be a dude? lol Not sure where you are taking that comment? And I did 6 months of research before I took Anavar.
sorry,
thought you were a dude.
most here are.
but tt level of 12 is girly, as is a anavar only cycle.
I'll try to give some help aftet leg day
Yeah I wish I would have checked my levels before I started. THATS the one thing during my research that everyone kept saying was a good idea to do. :/ I'm sure they were way above 12 because just putting my clothes away leaves me extremely tired AND they are heavy. I think I just need to get my Testosterone to start working normal again. Thank you for your replies.
what dr gives anavar for low t?
and
are you s chick?
Yes I am a female. And a doctor in FL. He gave me it to help build my muscles back up because I am extremely weak. Only a 3 month prescription.
He was not cheap either AND insurance will not cover it. But at least I know its real Anavar.
If you're a real doctor you wouldn't have taken var from someone off the street especially in FL where you can get anything prescribed to you.
You would also have known to look up what the tabs looked like to find out if they were legit you said that you did this.
Im not a doctor and I can tell if meds are fake.
If this is a true story your a doctor you should be able to open a medical journal and answer any questions you have about this or atleast contact a medical colleague.
Take the anavar it was prescribed doctors in fl only prescribe medications that should be taken. He wasn't cheap either because its a pill mill. He is a drug dealer with a degree.
wow. It seems there is a lot of miscommunication and a whole lot of judging on this plat form. I came here for help. Seeing if anyone had any idea what was going on with my situation. BUT to answer your questions. I am NOT a doctor. I went to a Hormone therapy doctor. And the place I went to did not seem at all like some drug dealers. He checked me thoroughly. There were a few other prescriptions he gave me besides the Anavar and Test. Also, there were a few other women, mostly older, that spoke very highly of the Doctor. He wont give you enough to get ripped. JUST to balance your hormones. BUT my question is, isn't there another way to feel normal again with out having to take MORE hormones?
They don't mean to judge, that's not what eroids is about. I'm sure they were a little confused because we mostly have men on here but we also have some great female members as well. Everyone is welcome here. Let's leave it at that. Also if you have pics of the alleged "anavar" maybe someone might be able to identify it? Could help.
Thank you for the clarification. Did not seemed so welcomed here at first. Had to defend my sex very quick. Which I am still not sure why. But I'm sure you guys have your share of BS that goes on in here.
I can share a picture everything. My labs, my meds, both fake and real. Where though? Do I send to you directly.
Don't post pictures of the real meds nobody needs to see them. I'll message a mod and ask if you can post the fake ones since technically it's not permitted but they may make an exception for you. Posting bloodwork is up to you.
Click the top right blue arrow
Click submit
Click submit a picture
Bloodwork goes under lab tests, selfies go under self shots, and med pics go under gear pics.
Read the rules it should have most of that info there.
Ok great thanks and I'll wait until I hear from you about posting the fake Anavar.
Its true I thought it was a troll and saw adderall made some judgments that were misguided
Yes I am a female. And a doctor in FL.
This is what I read if its a miscommunication then lets start over i have a strong hatred for doctors in Florida.
Yes there definitely is a way to feel normal again and the reason that upset me about your doctor was because your doctor didn't run tests that should have been done. A thyroid check and also a full blood work up should have been done. I read that you got a test and your testosterone was low but I honestly don't know the range for a woman but I would think that alot of women have lower Testosterone levels. The adderall is a bad idea adderall is amphetamine salts its horrible stuff that I can't believe that the fda actually allows doctors to prescribe humans.
If you were taking no drugs before this incident with the anavar go back to that taking no drugs. Go see a doctor and get a full check up to make sure that nothing is out of the ordinary. Explain to him or her your situation and tell them you just want to feel better. Drugs do make you feel better but its just a bandaid and over time it will make things much worse. Adderall especially will destroy the serotonin release in your brain and after taking it long term you will basically not be able to feel happy without it just like meth amphetamine. The 2 are almost identical.
I really do wish you the best and im sorry about the miscommunication but you should definitely get a second opinion from a different doctor.