posted Wed, 09/13/2017 - 11:37
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Another overtraining topic
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I'm bringing this topic up because I was criticized in the gym for it so I want to see what the opinions of the community are and what the experiences are.
I work out with a PPL split and no scheduled rest days. I usually spend around 90 minutes total in the gym everyday. I feel great and I'm seeing improvement consistently. Maybe once every two weeks or so I just am not feeling it, so I take a day off.
Today I was told by about 3 people that I'm doing too much. I just feel that after all the years of fitness training, and the military, I adapted to a high frequency of work.
What are your opinions? Do you believe that we adapt to it as long as we are eating and sleeping well?
(Not on cycle btw)
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Wih respect to everyone in this thread, this is the information you need:
"Overtraining" is not what you think it is. People use it as though it's a verb, like it's something you do. It isn't. Overtraining is short for overtraining syndrome, which is a state of being. It's a medically diagnosed condition that may require hospitalization and can even be fatal (conditions such as rhabdomyolysis can result from having overtraining syndrome).
What you're talking about is called overreaching. Big difference, and it can be corrected with well timed deloads. As long as your total workload isn't too high and your progression isn't too fast, you can condition yourself to train at high frequency no problem. Many world class strength athletes have successfully used Bulgarian light to train heavy compounds with a lot more weight than you or I are using, assuredly.
He is not talking about overtraining syndrome. Overtraining syndrome is one of a number of possible results of overtraining which is a verb by the way!
His gym buddies were also describing overtraining and not overtraining syndrome, although they may be worried he could develop ots in the future.
Overtraining is a colloquial term that caught on and is now used incorrectly. People mistakenly use it to mean overreaching. Which is indeed what he was talking about.
Overteaining is used perfectly in the context of OPs friends concerns. I would agree overtrain is a verb that is used colloquially, sometimes incorrectly but also properly as it obviously is in this conversation.
Overtraining was their concern whereas over reaching may in fact be what OP was doing. You are talking about over reaching which imo shpuld be included as a part of a properly periodised peogram. However OPs friends were very clearly talking about overtraining, the verb used to describe... doing too much! Its very simple, they thought he was doing too much and raised their concern with him.
I may be mistaken but i dont think OP was agreeing he is overtraining or over reaching (in either the the purposeful or accidental sense). I think OP is simply saying... im accustomed to this, not injured, healthy etc
If you are defining over reaching as the unintended result of overtraining (the verb correctly used to describe training beyond the ability to recover) then you are talking about an outcome resulting from the very thing the OPs friends worried about.
Doing too much versus not doing too much.... as opposed to injured too much and not; not injured too much!
Thanks for your service man! I deffinately agree with alotnof people here. Whatever your sweet spot is, roll with it. I belive that if your eating sufficient calories and your getting good sleep at night then your probably good! Everyone is differant though. I take one day of complete rest a week, and that works for me. Don't let no one knock you of your square. Thanks again for your service
Thank you for your service!! Remember that as it's already been said, rest is as important as excersise. Do you my friend & your body will let you know.
Other than injuries, overtraining is in fact under-recovering, whether it be physically the muscles, nutritionally, the adrenals, CNS, other hormonal systems such as those that are circadian driven hormones, sleep itself as already mentioned.
Its pretty simple really, exercise as much as possible, but recover optimally
Rest is just as important as exercise. Your body needs time to recover. You're young, so you probably need less, but you do need it. I would rest at least one day week and go from there. You will see results. Good luck.
I love ppl splits, 3 on 1 off. I feel like i need the rest day but if you can train without a rest day for a couple of weeks then good for you. With cardio, streching, warm up and weights 90 minutes is about what i do. A lot of guys dont warm up and strech properly, some dont even do cardio, they are in and out in 45 mins.
Did you try kicking them in the vagene or bob?
A big thanks for serving our country as well.
At 26 years old and 175 pounds I'd say that while you are certainly muscular and showing the signs of your efforts, you also have a long lifting career ahead of you where you'll get to try many different methods of training. I think as you progress you'll find training splits that used to work for you become less effective and training splits you didn't used to get much out of becoming better suited for where you're at in your progression. And like Sam said, do you.
Keep grinding!
AnonMaybe they want you to come back down to their level, keep doing what you're doing and listen to your body not some jack wagon in the gym.
+1 for giving me my new favorite word....jackwagon! Lol
AnonI had a salty ass sgt that called everyone a "fuckin jackwagon" all of us were different races and nationality so he stuck to a term that couldnt be taken out of context I guess. But i heard it so much I find myself calling everyone a "fuckin jackwagon". You should try it in traffic, people lose all train of thought.
Do what's best for you.
If it's not broken don't fix it! I know guys that go every day and have literally looked the same for the late 3 years but then I know guys that do the same with more volume and they are changing month on month! Every body is different! If it's working then stick with it. aslong as your eating well and sleeping fine then your body will recover. Even more so if your not natty.
I know what you are talking about. Those are the same people that come in and do 20 30Lb pectoral flys and tricep pushdowns. They do not put in any real work, and consistent work or programming.
Thank you for your service to our country.
In response to your post, There are many ways to skin a cat.
The human body is an adaption machine. One of the fundamental core principles of bodybuilding is finding out what works for you, specifically.
How can a man like Dorian Yates train just 2 working sets per exercise , per bodypart, per one day a week of training for a total of 45 minutes and Arnold Schwarzenegger could train for 3 hours plus each day with 10 working sets per bodypart, sometimes twice a day. Yet both were able to achieve extraordinary results?
Bodybuilding is all about finding out what works for you.
If , as you say you are an experienced trainer who is consistently seeing gains and improvements then frankly, that is what its all about. Like you said also, you rest when your body feels it needs it, which is key.
If your sleep and nutrition are on point and if you are happy, healthy, and getting better each day, why change?
x3 on point brother!!!!!
Not living up to your name very well there bud lol.
Well said +1
X2
In my experience overtraining can cause issues. If it does...then rest. But no one can tell you how you feel. We know our bodies better than anyone and if you are feeling good and are not experiencing anything negative then I would continue training. Thats what I do. Im very in tune with how I feel and base my training on that. Im no pro though. Just another guy at the gym.
Well if you're still seeing improvement. Then keep going.