posted Tue, 01/17/2017 - 06:49
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third week of pct Libido Death
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Hi there,
I did a cycle of 500mg testo E for 8 weeks, waited 2 weeks and started PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Besides them i'm using those supplements:
DAA 3gr die
vit d3 10.000iu die
zinc 50mg die
Phosphatidylserine 200mg die
For the first two weeks the libido was ok, good erection, morning and night woods. Now the libido is gone I can't get an erection and keep it for more a couple of minutes, no morning woods at all.
It is normal or something is going wrong?
Should I do something to fix it ?
please help
thanks a lot
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Nothing to be concerned about. Quite normal for me as well. Usually by week 6-8 I'm hornier than I was on cycle. Keep cialis on deck and don't get in your head about it.
Ok thanks mate!
Weeks 3 trough 6 of PCT (assuming I'm running an extended one) are always the worst for me. Just hang in there and continue doing what you're doing and things should come right. Ciallis can help.
The other insight I can provide is that we can so used to be increase libido on cycle that even once hormone levels normalise we just don't feel quite right in this respect. I've found self-actualising this fact has helped me deal with this.
You hit the nail on the head there. The libido increase from a cycle is so high that when you are normal, it feels like it is low. You basically set a new normal for yourself. Then you start worrying that it is too low now and it just compounds the problem. I also laugh at the guys who say 2weeks into pct that they feel great. The 3rd or 4th wek and even the first few weeks after stopping are when you really feel "off".
I also met people that says they were full of libido whole pct
Yes but everyone is different. Best bet is for you to go and get a blood test now and come back and post the results. In all likelihood it will be as expected and you will have to wait it out. However I think you are needlessly worrying here and this anxiety can negatively affect your libido. Doing this may give you peace of mind and if you're not then it does give you a head start on fixing any problems. Just a thought. It's total overkill but in your case it may be helpful.
Hi Dacky, thanks for your help, By the way i can do blood test totally free, so maybe i'll give a try. Now i'm more confortable after reading from you all.
thanks!
hi dacky, thanks for your reply
So it is quite normal this libido crash in the middle of pct? I will continue until the end of the pct.
I used Hcg during the cycle and the 2 weeks before pct at 250iu e3d and then 500iu e3d, in theory this is for prevent the libido loss, isn't it ?
About the cialis I never used it before, I should use it for the whole pct ? i was thinking about 5mg ED of cialis, this could be good ?
and the last question: what do you think about toremifene citrate? it could help ?
thanks a lot for your help, really!!
I would also recommend that you add an extra week or two of Nolva to your Pct. I'd personally stay at 40mg until either week 3 or week 4 and then cut down to 20mg for the remaining.
Hi thanks for the reply but why you reccomend this? Im doing classic pct clom 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20 now im in the week 3 you recommend to finish the clomid and keep nolva alone for an extra week? But how it should help
Every body has a different body experience with this. For me I have always had libido loss from the third week. I used to freak out about it but don't anymore as I know it always comes right. As to HCG I wouldn't say you can count on it to prevent libido issues. My view is it helps smooth the ride so to speak but it's not a sure thing "cure". I wouldn't introduce another SARM at this stage. I think if you're using Pharma meds then you should just ride it out. If you're still having an issues say 4 weeks post PCT (and by issue I mean that your libido is not similar to wher is was BEFORE cycle) then pull some bloods to check what's going on? By the way are you using an AI during PCT? If you are and have crashed your estro this could be contributing to the problem. As to ciallis I would start at 20mg and then work your way down. I only take it when I think I'm going to need it.
Ok, now i'm more comfortable about hcg, because I've read that hcg prevent libido loss. Ok i won't introduce toremifene, but for a future pct it could be good better than clomid? Nope i'm not using AI during pct, i used 0.5mg of adex e3d during the cycle. It could be that I have High prolactine?
Highly doubtful re the prolactin unless you've developed a naturally occurring prolactinoma of the pituitary given you didn't not run a 19nor.
Mate stop worrying and ride out your PCT and see how you recover over the next 4 weeks. If you're not feeling right then blood test after those 4 weeks. If you're feeling good (which I bet you will be) wait until 8 weeks have passed and then pull bloods. Feeling like this is part and parcel of running cycles and PCT. If you're going to freak out and worry about (which will only make your libido issues worse from a psychological perspective) then aas are not for you.
Ok, i'm not worried anymore since when you and many others told me that is totally normal, i'm asking to know if there is other possible causes. I have last question i've read that a lot of people use adex 0.5mg eod when they go towards libido loss, that is a bullshit or it could help lowering the E2 ?
thanks a lot for your patience and help !
No one should use adex in PCT because of the type of AI it is. Those that experience estrogen rebound in PCT (and you would know as you would have signs and symptoms of high estrogen which you would then confirm with a blood test) would use a low dose of aromasin (6.25mg to 12.5mg ed) to deal with this issues. If you think your estrogen could be high go get a blood test to confirm.
Mate you need to do a heap more research before running any more cycle. These are questions you should know the answers to.
hi dacky,
Of course i'll do more researches but reading on the web sometimes leads to wrong things, or sometimes i found lots of information that are discordant and for this reason i ask here...
In fact i've read that low libido could be one of the sides of high E2, for other symptoms i don't have them no water rebound no gyno and so on.
thanks a lot for your help
Sometimes the chemical imbalance will result in a change of sexuality. Perhaps you are looking at the wrong type of porn. Switch it up and see what that does for you. No homo
Hi, i dont think that is a change of sexuality i'm still attracted to women. The loss of libido sounds normal in pct for many others, did you ever esperienced that ?
Lol, I'm just messing with you bro. No worries on the libido crash. That happens like clockwork for me. Just keep religious with your pct and it will be back before you know it.
For me, I like to keep going with a very explosive workout. This lets my body tell my nuts to wake up.
You'll be fine bro.
Ok thanks! i'll go with this pct and i do a very explosive workout as always!
Yeah, loss of libido is common in pct as everyone has mentioned. You just have to battle through it. I always keep cialis on hand for pct.
Hopefully you bought good quality --preferably pharma grade--clomid and nolva and not some research grade stuff???
Hi ron, yes I got only pharma grade meds for pct. how do you use cialis? you take it everyday?
I usually just take it friday night and it lasts the weekend. My situation is probably different than yours though. Im a married man with 4 kids so I only take it when I know I will need it---damn kids are cockblockers
I have two generic definite not pharma brands.one says 50mg, the other says 25mg...not sure what they actually are but I dont notice any difference betweennthe two. I just take one and roll with it
Thanks, I saw that there is a cialis for every day 5mg to take each day.. pharmagrade i can use it during the pct ?
Lol, Cockblockers is the nickname I have gave my kids as well.
Been there bro. Cialis is a PCT must in my opinion. 5-20mg a day should help you out. I start with 20 a day and taper down each day. If problem happens again, back to 20 and repeat.
hi chunk, thanks for your reply.
Could you explain how to taper ? you start at 20mg then you decrease it 5mg per day till 0mg ?
Agree, its really not a wuestion of if your sex drive will drop, but when. The cialis not only helps but keeps you mentally prepared because just the thought of not having a sex drive can mess up your game.
in which dose I should start with cialis? and for how long ?
Losing libido is normal during pct. Some lose it sooner than others, and some never lose it. Your body will recover at its own pace. The protocol you layed out for pct is fine. PCT is rarely seamless in my experience, but if weeks after youre completed and you still feel not normal...get bloodwork and see if you are still shutdown.
Keep training, keep eating. Let your body figure it out. Its good to let the body fix itself sometimes.
hi senseimiagi thanks for your reply,
Ok, i'l keep training and eating of course! but if i'll be still shutdown what can i do ? power pct ?
If youre still shutdown after a full PCT...after an 8 weeker of 500mg testoE, I would either do another standard PCT (I dont know what a "power" pct is), or leave it alone for 2 months, let my body try and bounce back...if it fails, see doc regarding trt. Throwing more drugs at it isnt always the answer.
Good luck.
I hope that i won't go on trt, thanks for your help!
NotNatural23bro get bloods if you can asap. To make sure you didn't shut your system down where it will take months upon months to return to normal if at all. But proviron works great libido and increasing free test. I use this stuff everyday on my trt. 25mgs and on cycle 50mgs or more.
one other thing some people use prami or caber to increase sex drive and erections. if u can get a doc to prescribe it for you great if not do some research on these. There are some posts on here by someone who swearsby these dopamine agonists for libido increase.
I am no expert or claim to be so please research and if at all possible get doc to help.
NotNatural23So why did I get -1 just curious?
Did you not read his post bro? He's in PCT... of course he's shut down. Bloods aren't going to help at all here. It takes anywhere from 1-3mos for most guys to recover after a cycle. And that varies significantly from one individual to the next.
He's not TRT clearly so why would you push proviron during PCT which can further suppress natural test production for some? And you're suggesting prami/caber for these normal PCT libido issues?
-1 from me man this advice is garbage.
To the OP, no use in getting bloods drawn until 6-8 weeks after your PCT. The libido issues you're experiencing are totally normal at this stage and ive experienced them in the past as well as many others.
NotNatural23I have a friend who is on proviron. by a fertility doctor so he can get his girl pregnant. Some say yes to proviron on pct. I was just letting him know there are many different ways his Dick might not work. What if his prolactin levels are high? what would you get to lower them? clOmid or nolvadex. no. So until he knows what is the real culprit to him not having sex drive don't u think all options should be looked at. Yes it could be simple as he shut it down but you act like that is 100% the answer with no doubt that it is it. to me not very open minded or smart.
NotNatural23bro how do u know he is shut down? It could be many other problems and I did not say tAkers proviron I said thatshe what I am prescribed on my trt. And I never suggested take these I was just saying people have used these I the past. do your research. And I said Go to a doc first. Jesus people on here are stupid. I am just saying these are things people use. Once he gets bloods and detrimines what is actually causing his actually problems then act accordingly. and getting bloods gets negged. u sir are must not care about your body. what if 8 weeks from now he feels the same 2 months of hell and he goes in gets bloods and finds out it is something more serious or something easy to fix. Also when is it bad to get bloods drawn?
hi switch87x, thanks a lot for your help!
I've started my pct after 2 weeks from last shot of testo E, this is ok or it was too early ?
how long did you take to come back normal from this libido crash ?
thanks !!
Your PCT timing looks good.
Everyone is different but personally I experience libido drop for 1-3 weeks either during, towards the end of, or after pct.
My protocol for pct is a bit different. With the first 3 weeks being only hcg, followed by 4 weeks of nolvadex. I've never had any libido issues during any week of my pct. Hard like a diamond my brotha. Look into it and give it a try next time.
And as many have mentioned, i would of ran your long ester for a minimum of 12 weeks.
8 weeks is short for a long ester cycle bro, so you were actually shut down from the test shorter than most first cycle guys (12 weeks) .... With that being said continue with your post cycle as you have it laid out your libido will bounce back soon
Did you use an ai? This is the only thing that may be an issue from what you posted cycle wise
hi livelife76 thanks for your reply,
So it is normal in pct to have this crash of libido? yes i'll keep it going till the end of protocol.
yes i used arimidex 0.5 e3d, and hcg 250iu e3d during the cycle starting the 4 week.
there is something that I should do? should I get blood test ?
Nah bro you should be good but as stated above get you some boner pills bro lol blue viagras are my go to during pct n sometimes just to have a bomb session with the Wifey lol
Personally i think 8 weeks was a waste of time with test e and that it should've been ran for a minimum of 10. But aside from my own personal beliefs yes this is normal and no there's nothing you can do about it. It will come back eventually but will take a few weeks. I ran a pct recently and after weeks 2 my libido was dead. I had absolutely not desire to bang at all. after about 5 weeks though it came back little by little. Until then its a waiting game. Hopefully you get pharma pct meds.
Hi joey thanks for reply.
I know that it was a waste of time and gear but i had to break it, because the protocol that i was run was a shit. So You waited 5 weeks after pct to see some benefits? and now are you fixed? everything is the same as before starting the cycle? of course i got pharma pct meds !!
thanks a lot for your help
Yea I'm good now. Blood work in a few weeks will show what's going internally but I feel back to normal. I started feeling better around week 5. Weeks 6-7 is when I started feeling "normal" again.
so 2-3 weeks after last week of pct. did you used the same PCT protocol? did you used some supplements?
thanks a lot!
I was on for a lot longer than you. Was using test for almost a year straight so my pct was:
HCG - 500 iu ed for 10 days prior to starting SERMS
Clomid - 150/150/100/100/50/50
Nolva - 60/60/40/40/20/20
By the end of the pct I felt considerably better