+ 8 Time for some education
Ok folks this is geared towards the newer members but I encourage all to participate, as we know bulking season is almost here ( or for some of us its year round) but for this I am going to throw up some information goals and cycle history and stats and compounds on hand I am going to lay out a cycle see if you can spot issues with it and how you would change it. I will wait a while before responding back here so we can get some answers... ONE THING THERE WILL BE NO RIDICULING EACH OTHER OR BASHING FOR A BAD ANSWER THIS IS A LEARNIN SESSION. we will not focus on PCT at this time baby steps
35 year old male
6,feet even
265 pounds
15% BF
8 cycles I have ran in the past fucked some up but learned from my mistakes here is what I am thinking for a bulk cycle. I am looking to add 25 pounds to my frame keeping 15 lean mass after its all over. I have always had a prob with gyno so that's why I was told to keep Provi on hand to combat it.
1-4 weeks Dbol 100 mg a day
1-18 sust 900 weekly @130 mg ED
1-19 Nandralone decconate @600 a week 300 Mon & Thurs
eating 3000 calories a day 200 grams of protein a day
training 5 days a week.
what do you all think and advice will be apreciated
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More diet, less drugs!
Your calories are barely maintenance for your weight - try 4000-5000cal 350-450g protein 400+ g carbs for a bulk. Food makes you gain, not drugs
That is a shitload of test - almost a gram of sust w/ ED injections? You could probably lower the dose and change frequency to E3D
Also a very large dose of Dbol - usual dosage is 30-50mg a day for a kickstart. Maybe start with 30 and add +10mg each wk? 100mg seems like overkill
No AI, you should have AI regimen planned with dosages from your previous cycles for reference. If you are prone to gyno like you stated, you definitely want to have ancillaries on hand and a plan to deal with the sides.
Bottom line - less drugs, more food.
Richard.SimmonsThis would be in the ball park. +2
Thanks!
+2 seeing I needed to up the calories and protein, as for the sust (me personaly I like ed injections) but your correct you could do E3d day. gald you spotted no Ai listed as I was going to use Provi for that.
The dosages of AAS in this post is correct but your right more food Good job
The macros need to stay consistent
Is provi enough of an AI for almost a gram of sust? I know it has anti-estro properties, but I can't imagine not using something else? adex or aromasin?
I only use provi but I did get some cabaser
Do not use Provi as a AI at all I like Aromasin over Arimadex . just have found that it works better for me. also make sure you have nolva and letro on hand if you a guy that is gyno prone.
Cool. Thanks brother! I love these- great learning tool! I guess I am a rookie so the thought of 1g of test and 100mg dbol is a little intimidating so I assumed the dosages were too high.
for most people yes your correct I was hoping people would pick up on the technical flaws but you and everyone did a good job
I think he posted mistakes on purpose, to see if we spot them....
Dbol dosage is way too high even for a guy his size. The reported benefits of going higher than 60mg od dbol are nothing compared to the sides.
Diet is nothing for a guy this size. Much less to bulk anything.
Sustanon running shorter than Deca? Unless he is on TRT that would be a bad idea. Deca should leave the system before the test in order to recover better in pct. sustanon and deca both have the same ester, so why 1 extra week of nandrolone without test? That will give u deca dick
Proviron wont do shit for gyno if its caused by prolactin and no cabaser is mentioned
very good im glad you spotted the length of time there of the compounds +2
You're the expert, but from all the reading I've done over the years, 100mgED of Dbol can have seriously negative repercussions on your body. That's a lot for your liver to take. Then I feel if when you need to take more liver protectants, enough to counter-balance the higher dose of oral steroid, it'll have adverse effects on your bodies ability to absorb the oral steroid (as well as IM oils).
http://www.ergo-log.com/cycle-of-100-mg-methandrostenolone-per-day-goes-...
If you want to bulk, I'd recommend eating more than 3000 calories a day. I'm not a big guy at all, tiny compared to you guys, but I try to have at least 2000 calories in me by lunchtime. I would say try upping your daily caloric intake by 2000-2500.
My .02
I realize there's many others here who's .02 has far more value and wisdom than mine, so I'm hoping we can get a good discussion going here.
Richard.Simmons100mg of Dbol for 4 weeks really isn't that bad... You may have to tweek this in. 75-100mg eod isn't much 75mg pre-workout would put a thumbing on me. Junkie is a bigger guy and I know his cycle and have worked with him before on his cycle. Each and everyone's cycle will have to be tweaked at some point. Just because you've ran 1200g of test a week on your cycle before don't mean your going to run it your next cycle this is an "example" A "Cycle or Cycles" is alway a learning curve. It has taken me years to get the right compounds,doses,diet,workouts.
that's why its called learning, you did a good job realizing the calories was way low.
Dbol seems high per day and proviron is a steroid not an anti e? First quick couple observations.
but will provi protect me from gyno?
Richard.SimmonsDid you know? Proviron is effective for depression, anxiety and to boost lack of sex drive, Low libido. It's also precursor to full TRT.
I did know the effect on libido but not depression or anxiety
Here's a case study which shows some of the effects that proviron has on the body.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2892728
An aromatase inhibitor (AI) will do this for you. I have found Anastrozole to be very effective.
what if I don't respond well to Ana what else should I have on hand to kill gyno if it starts to show ?
Ideally you would have blood work done to be able to pinpoint the problem directly. If this is not an option, I'd look to the next most likely problem you're experiencing. If you're running a compound from the 19-nor testosterone family and are still experiencing gyno problems, this could be a prolactin problem. 19nors are recognized by the body as a progestin. Progestins have the ability to increase prolactin levels. This can be combatted with cabergoline.
your correct bloods are best to pinpoint but keep Good pharma grade nolva on hand and letro it will kill gyno fast. its always a good idea to have more than one option on hand just incase one doesn't work
Right, can't forget Nolvadex and letro. I should look more into letro,
Richard.SimmonsLetrozole doses are approximately 1.25mg – 2.5mg daily. The margin for adjustment and user preference when it comes to Letrozole. 1.25mg daily might be too much for many users, recommended dose is actually 1.25mg every other day, and can be even less frequent. Half-life of Letrozole is 2-4 days. Letrozole doses can be adjusted if the user feels it is not working or if it is reducing Estrogen levels to much.
No, it will not ward off gyno, just not produce more chance for gyno as it does not aromatase. Arimidex will help protect against gyno.