Ways to control blood pressure??
I have read a lot about this. I'm 27yo I usually sit around 108/117 and 76/81. I have been taking hawthorn berry extract to preload before my Tbol run. Currently on 400mg test per week. My BP was fine last week then this week no change expect hawthorn my bp was 145/86. Plus I have had a light headache after I take it. I took this about 2 hours after gym. Could be a one time thing I did drink a light energy drink before the gym. But anyways I want your guys advice does this look good for bp support whether it high or normal.
Track sodium try to keep under 2500mg
Magnesium and potassium daily
20-30 min cardio Eod
1.5-2 gals of water
Some veggi with each meal
I have gotten it down to the 130s with times that it's slightly higher. It seems that my systolic is the one that's high. My diastolic is in a really good place almost every time. Why would this be?
Thanks guys.
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I would also advise you to take it with the same machine (if possible) multiple times a day over the course of a week (around the same time each day), take it using the same arm and note any variables (like the energy drink) and then average those results. Your BP can swing dramatically in a matter of minutes, so using an average like this is the best way to really monitor it. It will eliminate outliers and give you a good feel for where it sits and help you identify what causes it to spike
Thanks that's good info.
Yes sir. I had a slight scare not too long ago... Went to the doc for a routine check up, the CNA took my BP using a machine before the doc came in and it was crazy high- like treatment zone high, the doc came in 10 mins later, said "Holy shit!!!" and took it manually and it was back in range. Just too many variables not to use a good running average on my opinion.
Got it down to 133/58. It seems that my systolic is what's high my diastolic is within of lower than normal. Anyone know why that would be?
JaySteeleI have had very high bp for years. High enough you wouldn't believe me. A really common approach to treating hypertension is diuretics and things like HCTZ are cheap as balls. Be super careful with them, especially injectable diuretics, but they may work for you. I prefer benzos to beta blockers or other types because they work for me and others just dont. This is about the simplest thing to talk to your Dr about, though...? Getting your estrogen under control will serve similar purposes.
But, that just isnt alarmingly high at all. Not even close. Id be thrilled... but take it when you first wake up at home. More accurate, no white coat syndrome, etc...
Im prone to high bp (about 135-140 on 500 test), cardio and water intake dont do shit for me. Neither does hawthorne berry or q10 no matter how much i take. The only thing that works for me is cialis, i dont like to abuse it, but the few times im over 140 i take 5mg and and systolic drops about 10 points 30 minutes after. Gives me some small coughs but its a normal cialis side effect. But as i said, only do it on "emergencies", some people take it every day but i wouldnt risk.
Stress management is very important too.
What do u think about only my systolic being high?
I cant reply to that, im not a doctor.
I make sure I incorporate cardio...drink water and eat clean. If your estrogen is high then you can implement an ai
This is a pretty good thread. I had a scary situation with edema and kidney damage on cycle that was almost certainly related to blood pressure.
I even ignored it for a couple of months before finally waking up. It's ridiculous what we are capable of convincing ourselves...
But this is important shit.
If/when I cycle again, I will be monitoring myself religiously, and won't hesitate to bail if issues arise.
Be safe everyone.
Testrogen_PropC...Arimidex dropped my blood pressure quite a bit. I think mine was (besides genetic) due to high estro converted from high test. Get some adex I'd you aren't already on it. Will take a week or 2 to notice any BP changes
E2 is in check about 20-25. I think it was mostly due to a weekend I went ham on my diet and cheated like no other.
No mate the OP should only introduce an AI if his blood works shows elevated estro. His BP issues could be unrelated to elevated estro and introducing an AI in these circumstances could lead to further complications. Always do blood work or you're just guessing.
Testrogen_PropC...My bad I missed the post on the bottom saying he got blood work and everything was in check. I am kind of surprised his isn't elevated at all tho even tho 400/wk is somewhat "moderate" in the BB world.
Everyday
Keep sodium low under 2000
Garlic 2000 mgs 3x breakfast lunch dinner
Fish oil 1200 milligrams 3x breakfast lunch dinner
1 cup oatmeal breakfast
1.5-2 gallons water
Cardio 25-30 minuses 5 days week
1 tblspn apple cider vinegar 2 x day breakfast and dinner
This has worked great for me got me down under 120 from the 140s.
Thanks bro.
Keeping sodium down and doing cardio. Has lowered it quite a bit, thanks I'll try those others
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Plenty of those in SF. But cost a lot more than bp meds lol. And especially natural ways.
I'm trt and I had to go on prescription BP meds because of it. I tried every last homeopathic remedy there is and it had no effect. I'm doing great on my BP meds now.
Everyone is different, but everyone needs to keep a close eye on this. If simple remedies are not working, you need to see a doc and get on top of this ASAP. There are serious consequences to unregulated high blood pressure.
If you do some more research you will find that the active ingredient in hawthorne berry was removed because Big Pharma no longer made money off of their drugs. they did the same thing with that red rice or whatever it was called. To control blood pressure you have to do a lot more cardio and eat very healthy and keep cholesterol low. the more you keep your heart rate at optimal condition will help keep your blood pressure stable. Naturally itr works, going to get a prescription from a doctor for a blood pressure med only masks the problem.
Since taking the hawthorn I have had kinda a dry nose aswell. I did eat pretty shitty this past weekend. But I will get back on it drinking tons of water. Eating clean, cardio tonight. And see what it is by Wednesday. And decide what to do then.
Its gonna be hard to find the real deal hawthorne, anything you buy from amazon or walmart will not have the active ingredient or if it does you need to take triple the dose recommended. Start doing breathing exercises, dont take the elevator anywhere you go, if you can walk somewhere do it. Keep your saturated fat intake extremely low, watch out for high cholesterol as well. Believe it or not one of the reasons Test causes problems is because it is a form of cholesterol hence why some levels drop and others go high.
Drink a good amount of water throughout the day, not a gallon in one sitting as that is worthless. try having 16-24 ounces per hour.
If the BP spike is being "caused" by steroid medications and the BP returns to normal after the cycle is over as I have experienced time and time again, having a well conditioned heart and an optimal lipid profile, is not enough to prevent BP issues. The kidneys are at serious risk of damage from steroid elevated BP and BP should be brought down as quickly as possible. This almost demands using a BP med for control. I have at times been in great cardiovascular condition, but put me on anadrol or even dbol or EQ and BP rises quickly. If I want to use those medicines safely on cycle, I'm not sure what other options there really are in the short term out side of a BP med?
I think we make light of how dangerous steroid medications are and that they are in fact strong medicines. Fighting major steroid side effects with homeopathic approaches doesn't make much sense.
Thanks GH. Always appreciate your info. I'm gonna give it a few days just to make sure it wasn't just a random Thing. Try cardio and loads of water and eating clean. This past weekend I ate nothin close to clean so that may have been the culprit. I'll get back to ya. If not I'll go get it checked out by Wednesday.
The point is you are being put on a blood pressure med that is not perfect, now you introduced more side effects you have to watch out for. Now on top of the already side effects of a cycle, i.e high BP, High estro,
Bad lipids, you now introduced another drug that also destroys your lipid profile as well as thinning your blood. If off cycle you have normal blood pressure why would you go and tell your doctor to give you something that he/she is going to run bloods on you anyways so they can ask more questions on how you went from dangerous level to a normal in less then 4 months? If using AAS puts you in a bad place you shouldn't use it period. if my Doctor told me that I was at a bad place in my health and I knew the only thing I was taking was AAS, I would stop using it and not ask him to prescribe me more drugs to counter the drugs that are countering my system. It's common sense. If you are normal off cycle and hit danger zones during then AAS is not for you unless you like to play with your life and its not a video game; one life not 3. Do it normal as long as you can, create a better vascular system by doing it the way Mother nature makes it work. Thats one of the reasons we lose so many great bodybuilders, they did not take care of the number one thing controlling them; their heart.
I totally agree with you that taking steps to improve cardiovascular health is a great idea as a bodybuilder. Many of us don't have healthy hearts.
That said, jacked BP is extremely common on steroid cycles - a lot of guys don't even measure it - I have a home BP monitor on the kitchen table and I check it all the time.
But, to say that if steroids dangerously elevate your BP you shouldn't use them is not realistic. Steroids elevate BP for most people on all kinds of different cycles. This would be similar to saying that if anavar destroys your lipid profile then don't use it. Var destroys nearly everybody's lipid profile.
Getting a BP med from your doctor is not a bad idea. BP meds are cheap. If he thinks you are taking it all year and you only use it on cycle, certainly he doesn't have fully accurate information, but high BP is so common, the likelihood that your doctor thinking you have high BP is going to lead to a false diagnosis on other health issues you may have is small.
Also, there are so many BP meds on the market now with different mechanisms of action, that thinking that BP meds are going to definitely cause an array of harmful side effects is not rooted in fact.
In the end, you can most likely get a Rx BP med from a rouge online pharmacy and not involve your doctor at all and just use it when you are all Trenned up!
Good knowledge here on this thread. I like you have a home BP monitor and check my BP twice a day when I'm on cycle. For me I have a weird effect where my BP drops when I am on cycle and then returns to normal off cycle. I have no idea why but that's what happens. I am yet to experience raises BP from taking any sort of aas. That said I alway run otc cycle support so perhaps in my case it works and why I see a lower BP. Of course this is all just supposition on my part and I know I am certainly the exception.
Orc cycle support?
Way to kill the mood Dacky! Don't come around here with that low bp shiz. Lol lucky guy. Mine is usually pretty low. I believe it was caused but a really shitty weekend of eating. But will check in a few days a report back if it has went down. After taking the proper measures
Over the counter. And yes I consider myself lucky but i will never stop checking and taking precautionary steps. Good luck fella
Oh I see. Yea thanks man.
That quote makes no sense at all and is not entirely true. Do you advocate someone to continue using AAS even if it is slowly melting their insides? So they should just add another drug to the mix? We all know common sense is not that common. Someone who actually comes to this forum and has the common sense to watch their health ask questions I would NEVER tell them to go and add more drugs to combat an issue that is CLEARLY a problem. My BP goes high too on a cycle, but its at the minimum hypertension level because believe me if it was over that I would stop and go back to my HRT and stop cycling. I would not go and ask my doctor for more drugs. There isn;t any real bodybuilders here that would advocate going on a blood thinner to combat a cycle side effect. Shit some people here have blood the consistency of maple syrup on an EQ cycle and all they do is donate blood thinking that will help and they continue the cycle. meanwhile the blood they regenerate is being regenerated as thick as syrup. You need to donate almost 2/3 of your blood to thin it out correctly. And donating blood you really just donated half of your cycle since its about blood concentration.
By the way I do not study AAS as much as I used to; I study the human body and how to naturally keep it going. I do not want to be on a hundred medications and shorten my life.
I just view steroids as "unhealthy" period. To me, if you are going to take all the risks associated with using steroids to begin with, adding a blood pressure medication to the situation doesn't add much in the way of additional risk. I think it is hard to claim being "health conscious" and using steroids at the same time.
We use other drugs to combat cycle side effects all the time, beginning with things as well accepted as an AI, using caber to control prolactin build from 19-nor compounds all the way to some even using T3 to combat the reduction in T3 that sometimes occurs with Tren use.
You and I are both in agreement that none of this is healthy.
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There is nothing "wrong" with looking for natural supplements to aid in controlling blood pressure. However, steroids can seriously raise your BP putting you at risk for many health problems.
My recommendation has always been to see your doctor and get an Rx blood pressure med that you can use on cycle if your BP isn't stable. Using an Rx med for brief periods of time isn't going to have any long term adverse effects on your health and it will work right away.
yeah as rusty said, you should have a blood panel done. check rbc, hematocrit and also estrogen because all these can play a role. if your rbc and or hematocrit is high then you'll need to donate blood. if estrogen is high then you need to dial it in better. are you using an AI? if so, is it pharmacy grade?
in the mean time untill you can get the panel done, check this post out. it's worked for me know the past, you can find it online or at one of those Asian grocery stores
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/cassia-seed-extract-be...
RustyhookerBlood test done week 5 to test rbc?
On week 3.5. Got bloods a week ago because I had to drop NPP due to sides. And everything was good not even slightly elevated. I'm gonna get them again in 2-3weeks