+ 186 NPP seen a lot of people asking about it so hope this helps
Hey, how’s it going everyone?
I know I’m relatively new here, but I have noticed a lot of people in this forum have no clue what NPP is, or what it is used for! lol
Thus, I’ve decided to create my own steroid -profile for NPP, and simultaneously outline my various experiences with the compound.
For anyone who still doesn’t know what I’m talking about, NPP is a relatively new product, and is considered to be one of the few actively marketed steroids that was produced within the past 10 years.
Disclaimer: I have utilized NPP in basically every protocol: cutting, bulking, and maintaining; however, my advice is all from personal experience. Follow at your own risk, as I am not a certified professional / M.D.
Let’s begin, NPP stands for the chemical name: “nandrolone phenyl-propionate .” It’s often considered the “brother” of Deca , and this is because they are both very similar in molecular structure, with the exception of different esters attached to the molecule. (phenyl-prop v.s. deconate.)
Furthermore, the compounds half-life is around 72 hours, and as a result, there is often debate regarding the timing of NPP injection protocol. (So I’m going to address each of them individually, because injection protocols are completely reliant on goals IMO.)
Benefits of NPP compared to Deca:
a.) Little to no water retention
b.) Instant lubrication of joints, and pain-relief to injection sites.
c.) Fast acting
d.) Compound clears system only a couple of days after secession of use; and does not leave you terribly shut down for prolonged periods of time like deca.
e.) IMO faster recovery of the HPTA after cycle , because of ^^
Downfalls of NPP compared to Deca:
a.) Often a need for more frequent injections
b.) Sometimes can be painful injections
FAQ #1: “Can I utilize NPP for cutting, and how?”
A: Yes absolutely. NPP is a great compound for cutting. It will provide minimal water retention, and stacks very well with prop. Moreover, because it lubricates the joints it has excellent synergy with winstrol (if at a low BF), and eliminates winstrol’s worst side affect – dry joints.
My typical NPP cutter:
(weeks 1 – 10) Prop @ 75mg ED
(weeks 1 – 9) NPP @ 75mg ED
(weeks 5 – 10) Winstrol @ 50mg ED
^^ Notice that when I use Prop with NPP, I follow an “each day injection protocol”
FAQ #2: “Can I utilize NPP for bulking (especially lean bulking??)”
A: YES! Once again, NPP is an excellent choice for this form of bulking. The reason: NPP will provide you with a quick 10 – 15 pounds within 10 weeks of use, until secession of the compound. Moreover, because NPP is fast-acting, one will begin to see the results from it within 5 – 7 days of use. (Also, great strength gains from NPP)
My typical NPP bulker:
(weeks 1 – 14) Test-E @ 600mg EW
(weeks 1 – 13) NPP @ 525mg (each week) but EOD protocol
(weeks 9 – 16) Anavar @ 70mg ED
^^ Notice that during Bulkers I generally inject EOD
FAQ #3: “Can I use NPP similarly to Deca for therapeutic benefits?”
A: ABSOLUTELY! This is one of those things that I feel the medical community will eventually figure out. Often, doctor’s / HRT clinics will prescribe deca @ a low dosage of 100 – 250mg EW for it’s therapeutic benefits. I believe that eventually NPP may take deca’s place.
My typical NPP therapeutic cycle:
(weeks 1 – 10) Test-E @ 200mg
(weeks 1 – 9) NPP @ 200mg EW (but following EOD protocol)
^^ As you can see, I would keep the Test @ a low dosage, perhaps even a TRT dosage. Keep the NPP low, and break the injections up. 50mg x 4 injections a week = 4 injection sites that feel AMAZING, and well lubricated.
FAQ #4: "I like the above protocol ^^ but I don't like injecting .. Can I inject it every 3.5 days with my TRT dosage?"
A: Not a problem. That's another benefit of NPP. The half live of the compound is short, but JUST long enough that it can be used under this protocol.
Typical TRT + Therapeutic Cycle:
(weeks 1 - 10) Test-C @ 100 - 250mg EW
(weeks 1 - 10) NPP @ 100mg x 2 injections per week = ~ 200mg EW.
FAQ #5: "I have Deca, and want to use NPP as a kick-start... is that possible?"
A: YUP! That's fine. Run it the same way you would kick-start with prop on a Test-E cycle.
(weeks 1 - 12) Test-E @ 500mg EW
(weeks 1 - 10) Deca @ 500mg EW
(weeks 1 - 5) NPP @ 75mg ED or 125mg EOD.
Phew, finished. Ok, well I hope you guys enjoyed the read. BTW, I’ve kept all the dosages very moderate on this page, so if anyone has any special circumstances, and want to alter the dosages, or wants to stack additional compounds, etc... feel free to PM me and I’ll try and aid you as much as possible. I have run NPP at extreme dosages, and can relate to most any question . Have a good one boys; Thanks for reading.
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You are doing almost 2g of NPP a week!?
Geezus no, Typo. 125mg EOD to equal 500mg a week. Thank You for pointing that out.
I like this profile detroit nate...
npp is a hell of a drug. currently blasting 125mgs everyday getting ready to squat 7 something in a couple weeks. keeping my blood levels stable as possible and getting as much nandrolone in me as possible because no other compound competes with it. npp or deca i love them both
300 SavageUpped my NPP dose last week from 350mgs to 450mgs..The 100 mg per week difference has really boosted my appetite.Eating a lot more and still staying very lean..I can feel my back getting wider as I type this...Lovin this NPP..
Does NPP shut you down as bad as deca? How would you set up a PCT for that prop-npp cycle? Would hcg be a must? Thanks
300 SavageGetting a bit of insomnia form this NPP boy..
Thanks for the breakdown, and valuable information!
270strengthI've come back to this thread so many times!!
Definitely one of the best oils ever made
unreal89This was a good read thanks!
Awesome post and so damn informative. Thank you and Much Respect.
Do you need caber or prami w/ NPP?
I think so; I specifically ordered caber to take with my NPP. Deca, regardless of ester, shuts you down hard and seems to have long, lingering effects. Even though NPP is a short ester and clears quickly, it can still shut you down hard. I've heard that if you control your estro, you won't have prolactin issues but I don't like to leave anything to chance. I was shut down once really hard from running standard deca and would never risk that again. That was years ago and it took until this year to try the NPP. Caber can have some serious health effects if abused, so keep your dosages low--I use 0.5mg cabaser 2x/week and 0.5mg/adex 2x/week when I run test and NPP. 2 things that I will never want: a set of tits and a limp dick...I'm always prepared, even if it is a little overboard. I've never tried Prami, so can't comment on dosages but that would suffice as well. Of course, always run test with it. I usually run tprop but would like to run to try the test phenylprop and run e3d injections. After awhile, those EOD injections get pretty old. I never do ED injects...just too much.
Fr sent have a few questions
Excellent post. I use it on my summer cycle 600mg primo week 70 Winstrol water a day and 250 npp a week to lubricate when I start Winstrol. Longer the ester on compounds more sides I find. Great stuff...
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate came onto the market all the way back in 1962 under the brand name Durabolin its manufactured by Organon.
Its a mistake to think NPP has only been around for 10 years.. In fact almost all the steroids we see before us today were made during the 1960's
Pharmaceutical companies could easily make safe effective steroids for athletic's but their not allowed to do so.
Why they are not allowed? Because human trials or restricted? I don't think so, i guess they reached the ceiling with steroid chemistry.
Nate, I sent a PM... was wondering if u could give me some info - as i am new to NPP.
Maybe a stupid question- Would kick starting a NPP bulker cycle with propionate weeks 1-4 be out of the question ?
weeks 1 - 4) Test Propoinate @ 150mg EOD ?
(weeks 1 – 14) Test-E @ 600mg EW
(weeks 1 – 13) NPP @ 525mg (each week) but EOD protocol
(weeks 9 – 16) Anavar @ 70mg ED
what do you think npp + tren E +test
Good reading. I do enjoy Npp + test
Excellent read!
CoblerA good read. Do you think npp could be run with the same dose as test p if you were to add some tren ace? Example test p 500pw npp 500pw tren ace 300pw
thanks for the advice im going to be trying npp for the first time, but with sust 250 eod, npp 100 eod, tren ace 50 eod, with some hgh frag. let me know what you think
Excellent read. I have been a big fan of deca or a long time as long as you keep it under 400mg a week. So I have had interest in NPP great job explaining and I learned a lot more about it. I have never thought to use a kick starter since I don't really feel deca until week 6 or so. +1 if I could
firebossGood read.there is more injection pain with npp.this is my first time useing and im not bloating.so far so good.
Excellent article! I may have to include this in my next order in lieu of deca, especially if it has more positive effects on HPTA, therapeutic benefits, and less water retention. I'll probably go with the twice a week protocol with the test E injection; lesser the pins the better. Thanks again.
this is exactly what ppl needed every one always wants to know about NPP its faster acting and thats what i like about it im running it as well in my cyle great post
Great article man. Good info and explained in layman's so everyone can understand. Thanks for the contribution! Would +1 if I could as well.
Thank you!
I am looking to start using NPP asap and this was a great help, I will be doing your NPP Bulking cycle but am thinking about substituting the Anavar for Dbol?
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Hey man . I'm with you too in it . I want use test e and npp and anavar at the end of this cycle . And prop or anadrol as a kick start . But the guys here help much but they kissing much . I don't know what I'm planning to do . I'll start in October but still not decide what to do . I'll search about the cycle test e , npp anavar and prop or anadrol but I guess prop better
Hey bro I started using the Test e and Npp and Dbol. So far so good. My workout partner is doing it with anavar, we are roughly the same size and are doing exactly the same Test and Npp. We are gonna test this out and see what happens, ill keep ya in the loop!
The half life of the phenyl propionate ester is 4-5 days according to William Llewellyn, so why pin every day or every other day?
It's to keep blood levels stable and avoid peaks and valleys. Enanthate is around 10 days, but it's normally pinned twice a week or every 3 to 4 days. I would want my levels as stable as possible while using nandrolone.
Bigshinsu77I really enjoyed your article. Deca take forever to start working for me and it seems like about 2 weeks after I come off Deca, my joints start hurting and I get severe breakouts. I have tried NPP and I am sold on it. I would advise using it over Deca anyday!
Bingo! Amazing thread. Thanks for sharing!
Can anyone please chime in with the dosage they used for an ai? I ran npp for 5weeks loved it at week 6 gyno began, estrogen was through the roof. I ran my normal dosage that I usually use. Got under control but stopped the npp because I wanted to see how everyone else dosed their AI. Thanks
12.5mg/day of aromasin was enough when I ran test at 875 and npp at 625. But I've neve had gyno issues and not estro prone to begin with. Just my experience
Thanks for your reply and personal experience
Could you speak to stacking NPP and Test Prop with Masteron prop for a cutting cycle? I was thinking of throwing in the Masteron in place of the Provi and maybe the Winny as well to dry out a bit further. Excellent post as well, OP. The information is invaluable and I really appreciate the content.
Good read! Npp definitely seems preferable to deca then! And lubrication of joints is always a good thing!
So when you were running NPP on a bulker were you using any AI/Prolactin Support ?? I ran a Tren115mg/Epistane45mg Cycle for four weeks and got a little gyno from it, had to bust out the letro/prami/nolvadex to whipe it out, wondering if im looking at the same or worse situation running NPP? plan to throw it in my cycle soon, currently running Test P/C at 850-900mg a week with Masteron at 600mg a week, on week 3 now, planned to throw npp in at 150-200mg eod/6-800mg a week on week 4 or 5.
Everything I have read about deca says to run it with test at double the dose. For example, 350 mg deca 700 mg of test. Does this not apply to npp?
You want to run more test than deca, but not necessarily double. Since deca has such a large ester the doses can be relatively high. For instance my typical test/deca cycle is 600 mg deca 750 test. If I were to double the test, that would leave me at 1.2 grams a week which is very unnecessary. For NPP/test I run 100 mg NPP and 150 mg test prop EOD and I am g2g
Sounds good maybe I misunderstood something. Have you ran npp with test prop only, I was thinking test e or c.
Hey bud, sorry it took me two weeks to reply. I've never ran it with test c or e but that is because I like short ester test. I bloat like a mofo on long esters so I avoid them. I don't think it would be a problem to run it with long esters though. My only advice would be to run the test for two or three weeks before starting the NPP if you run the long esters. That is because if you start them at the same time, the NPP will shut you down before the long esters stabilize which would be pretty shitty for about two weeks
No worries bro, thanks the response. I've gone back and forth on test prop, just seems like a lot of pinning.
Yeah, it is kind of a bitch pinning EOD but I "feel" prop a lot more than long esters and the bloat is so much less that it is worth it to me.
Also, if your going to run NPP I would go add far as to say that you might as well run prop with it because you will need to pin the NPP EOD as well. I just load the prop and NPP into the same syringe and do one shot EOD.
A lot of UGLs are prop/NPP blends as well so you could jump on that train and do one shot from one vial EOD.
Sounds like a good idea. I would need to hit a few more sites for that. Right now I use 4, haven't hit quads or ventro glutes yet. Can't seem to find the ventro.
On a Sust NPP stack right now. I'm always impressed how much my body responds to NPP. Gotta love some NPP
So nice post bro! I have an idea of what it is, but i've never use it, soon i will do it for cutting with test prop. only one question, what do you think to mix npp with tren a? people don't recommend this for the high values of prolactine that it produces, Have you experiment that?
Thanks!