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+ 186 NPP seen a lot of people asking about it so hope this helps

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Hey, how’s it going everyone?

I know I’m relatively new here, but I have noticed a lot of people in this forum have no clue what NPP is, or what it is used for! lol

Thus, I’ve decided to create my own steroid -profile for NPP, and simultaneously outline my various experiences with the compound.

For anyone who still doesn’t know what I’m talking about, NPP is a relatively new product, and is considered to be one of the few actively marketed steroids that was produced within the past 10 years.

Disclaimer: I have utilized NPP in basically every protocol: cutting, bulking, and maintaining; however, my advice is all from personal experience. Follow at your own risk, as I am not a certified professional / M.D.

Let’s begin, NPP stands for the chemical name: “nandrolone phenyl-propionate .” It’s often considered the “brother” of Deca , and this is because they are both very similar in molecular structure, with the exception of different esters attached to the molecule. (phenyl-prop v.s. deconate.)

Furthermore, the compounds half-life is around 72 hours, and as a result, there is often debate regarding the timing of NPP injection protocol. (So I’m going to address each of them individually, because injection protocols are completely reliant on goals IMO.)

Benefits of NPP compared to Deca:

a.) Little to no water retention
b.) Instant lubrication of joints, and pain-relief to injection sites.
c.) Fast acting
d.) Compound clears system only a couple of days after secession of use; and does not leave you terribly shut down for prolonged periods of time like deca.
e.) IMO faster recovery of the HPTA after cycle , because of ^^

Downfalls of NPP compared to Deca:

a.) Often a need for more frequent injections
b.) Sometimes can be painful injections

FAQ #1: “Can I utilize NPP for cutting, and how?”

A: Yes absolutely. NPP is a great compound for cutting. It will provide minimal water retention, and stacks very well with prop. Moreover, because it lubricates the joints it has excellent synergy with winstrol (if at a low BF), and eliminates winstrol’s worst side affect – dry joints.

My typical NPP cutter:
(weeks 1 – 10) Prop @ 75mg ED
(weeks 1 – 9) NPP @ 75mg ED
(weeks 5 – 10) Winstrol @ 50mg ED

^^ Notice that when I use Prop with NPP, I follow an “each day injection protocol”

FAQ #2: “Can I utilize NPP for bulking (especially lean bulking??)”

A: YES! Once again, NPP is an excellent choice for this form of bulking. The reason: NPP will provide you with a quick 10 – 15 pounds within 10 weeks of use, until secession of the compound. Moreover, because NPP is fast-acting, one will begin to see the results from it within 5 – 7 days of use. (Also, great strength gains from NPP)

My typical NPP bulker:
(weeks 1 – 14) Test-E @ 600mg EW
(weeks 1 – 13) NPP @ 525mg (each week) but EOD protocol
(weeks 9 – 16) Anavar @ 70mg ED

^^ Notice that during Bulkers I generally inject EOD

FAQ #3: “Can I use NPP similarly to Deca for therapeutic benefits?”

A: ABSOLUTELY! This is one of those things that I feel the medical community will eventually figure out. Often, doctor’s / HRT clinics will prescribe deca @ a low dosage of 100 – 250mg EW for it’s therapeutic benefits. I believe that eventually NPP may take deca’s place.

My typical NPP therapeutic cycle:

(weeks 1 – 10) Test-E @ 200mg
(weeks 1 – 9) NPP @ 200mg EW (but following EOD protocol)

^^ As you can see, I would keep the Test @ a low dosage, perhaps even a TRT dosage. Keep the NPP low, and break the injections up. 50mg x 4 injections a week = 4 injection sites that feel AMAZING, and well lubricated.

FAQ #4: "I like the above protocol ^^ but I don't like injecting .. Can I inject it every 3.5 days with my TRT dosage?"

A: Not a problem. That's another benefit of NPP. The half live of the compound is short, but JUST long enough that it can be used under this protocol.

Typical TRT + Therapeutic Cycle:

(weeks 1 - 10) Test-C @ 100 - 250mg EW
(weeks 1 - 10) NPP @ 100mg x 2 injections per week = ~ 200mg EW.

FAQ #5: "I have Deca, and want to use NPP as a kick-start... is that possible?"

A: YUP! That's fine. Run it the same way you would kick-start with prop on a Test-E cycle.

(weeks 1 - 12) Test-E @ 500mg EW
(weeks 1 - 10) Deca @ 500mg EW
(weeks 1 - 5) NPP @ 75mg ED or 125mg EOD.

Phew, finished. Ok, well I hope you guys enjoyed the read. BTW, I’ve kept all the dosages very moderate on this page, so if anyone has any special circumstances, and want to alter the dosages, or wants to stack additional compounds, etc... feel free to PM me and I’ll try and aid you as much as possible. I have run NPP at extreme dosages, and can relate to most any question . Have a good one boys; Thanks for reading.

Marv's picture

NPP is amazing. I ran some during my last winter bulk and it was great. Less water retention than Deca, same great feeling in the joints. It's a really versatile compound; Not only can you bulk with the stuff but you can cut as well if you diet is on point. I prefer it to Deca because it's fast acting and out of your system quick.

The only thing better than NPP is NPP and Tren. Fucking amazing combo. Fat loss, no bloat, lean, dry, vascular, full muscles, anabolic as fuck. Just be sure to run Cabergoline to prevent and progesterone induced gyno and prolactin problems.

MajorNanners's picture

Was looking around for results on running this along side the Cycle I JUST started. kicking around the idea of trying some NPP along side to help out these poor joints Will def run caber or prami.

B52-BODY's picture

Great post.. What is the PCT of say running a Test/NPP cycle ? would you treat it the same
way as other test cycles ? or something different ?

(considering its close to Deca )..
thanks !

if possible could you show a complete Cycle including PCT ?

Ghosting's picture

always wanted to try npp, thanks for this post, very helpful!

Drywallstar's picture

Excellent+1

mwagner630's picture

so looking at the same prolactin issues a nandro deca ? since they are pretty much the same but different esther right?

i love deca for its joint relief and gains but the prolactin on this cycle got me good and quick.

hyphy_beast's picture

It's a 19 nor you would want to have caber or prami on hand yes.

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

You have an caber? 0.25 twice a week as a maintenance dose or bump it up to 0.5 x2 if any sides show

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extremelyAnabolic's picture

This is a good question, subscribiing for answer

Makwa's picture

Thinking about doing a 12 week test e/NPP cycle this spring. (500mg test e/400mg NPP per week). What I am worried about is the NPP kicking in quicker than the test e and giving me deca-dick. If using NPP with test e, should I start the NPP about week 4 when the test e should be kicking in or just run them both for 12 wks from the start.

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tootallslim's picture

Okay so after talking to several people who have used npp and doing some more research on my own I just ordered some npp to go with my test cyp. I was told to front load my test first week as usual and to start npp at week 3. I'm gonna run 14 weeks of test @ 750 and 10 weeks of npp @ 400 per week.

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ChemDawg's picture

I am curious to why would you front load Test for 3 weeks before the NPP? I have never hear of this and if it has any scientific benefit I would like to know more about the method.

tootallslim's picture

Okay, so if you start npp and test c at the same time the npp is going to kick in weeks before the npp so you will have a limp noodle without any test.

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ChemDawg's picture

Why wouldn't you take Test Prop or Test PP with it since you are already pinning EOD from the NPP? The short estered Test will make you less bloated and I think a better match for the NPP since it is short estered as well. Then you could start them at the same time.

tootallslim's picture

Test p would be better but I have 5 vials of test cyp waiting to be used Smile and after reading this article and others the half life of npp is 4.5 days so pinning every 3-4 days will be just fine so it lines up just right with my test injections.

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Makwa's picture

Interested to see how your cycle turns out.
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klaydo68's picture

Jus throw n a prop kick brother bcuz the nnp will hit quicker than the test

mikebuie's picture

what if you DIDNT want to run deca, could you still in theory kickstart a "cutting" cycle consisting of say test e and EQ with NPP and test prop? or maybe drop the prop kick and instead taper with it and just kick with the NPP for 4 weeks? and if so, then would you still pin 75mg ED or maybe bump it up to 100mg ED since it'll only be a 4 week run? so theoretically a cycle would look something like this:

week 1-4 NPP 100mg ED
week 1-14 test e 300mg 2x week
week 1-14 EQ 300mg 2x week w/ frontload
week 14-16 test prop 100mgs ED or say test PP 150mgs EOD

????? i feel like i might be onto something but i still have a LOT to learn and all of this is research rather than actual planning. the goals for a cycle like this would be to cut but at the same time put on some mass at the beginning, kinda like the best of both worlds/2 birds with 1 stone type of thing

Detroitnate's picture

Fr me and we will go over this

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mikebuie's picture

lol already sent

ChemDawg's picture

When I mention I want to lose a few lbs. I have been criticized for taking a NPP/Test mix. Many don't understand the capabilities of it. I woke up this morning and looked into the mirror and noticed new veins popping out of my chest and arms. It has been a lean gainer so far.

mastercommand's picture

great post Bro.

highgear's picture

thanks buddy much appreciated!!!! i have never ran it and have always wondered how it stacks up nxt to normal deca cause i ran that and loved it just not the excessive water retention i thik ill try it on my nxt cycle any info on how it can effect your sex drive? just do the reg always more test than any other compound..

tootallslim's picture

What about using npp at the end of a cycle. Say maybe at the end of a sust and dbol 12 weeker.

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gatorbits's picture

I'm interested to know more about this compound as well^
It's 19 nor test / nandrolone
So you have to have cabergoline/pramipexole to run it safely
^ many run it without but really what if the sides hit and you didn't have any back up plans
Prolactin is a long term issue
Not easily wiped out like E
But these compounds(Deca) are known as the mass agents to go to ; its very appealing compound to run for an intermediate cycler with the correct ancillary s

I'm going to pm a vet and have them drop by this post and leave some knowledge for us about Npp
And nandrolone Deca
That's the best thing to do

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logan's picture

+1 Brother I don't think it could have been written any better.

lucas2382's picture

Thank u, very helpfull info

XvBeast's picture

+1 useful info

FinMan's picture

I'm currently thinking of an npp cycle. How would you suggest the dosing for a bulker to accommodate your recommended Mgs/week? I'm fine with ED pins as well if need be. AND.... Can tren be thrown in there at say 50mgs ED or EOD? Yes, I know two 19-nors... However just considering options. This was an EXCELLENT READ! Right on time with what I needed to know!

j223's picture

You may need to run a higher dose for bulking, like 150mg every other day. Test dose can be anywhere from 200 to a gram but 750ish should be good.

I wouldn't mix tren with npp at the same time, unless you are taking a decent dose caber or prami. Caber at 0.25mg every other day. Prami at 0.5mg ed.

Exgearslinger's picture

+1. Excellent write up!

gRxnch's picture

I've been interested in NPP for a while now, this is a great post bro. Lets say I were to run a cycle of Cyp/NPP/Anavar with a Prop front load, what kind of dosing protocol would you recommend?

Detroitnate's picture

fr request sent bro

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AmericanJambo's picture

I've been interested in NPP for sometime now. Especially for use in a shorter bulking cycle. One thing that I've noticed is that in none of your cycles listed do you use an oral kicker/bulker. Do you think that the NPP would stack well with an oral or because of the short ester do you feel that NPP and an oral together is just overkill?

Detroitnate's picture

sent u a pm bro to go over my thoughts on it

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1134bigo's picture

Great info bro......

racer50's picture

Funny...found the same exact post as your intro on another site posted in 2009.
I guess I thought that these were your cycles. Smile
Still a good read!

Catalyst's picture

Great info bro, a well deserved +1.