+ 186 NPP seen a lot of people asking about it so hope this helps
Hey, how’s it going everyone?
I know I’m relatively new here, but I have noticed a lot of people in this forum have no clue what NPP is, or what it is used for! lol
Thus, I’ve decided to create my own steroid -profile for NPP, and simultaneously outline my various experiences with the compound.
For anyone who still doesn’t know what I’m talking about, NPP is a relatively new product, and is considered to be one of the few actively marketed steroids that was produced within the past 10 years.
Disclaimer: I have utilized NPP in basically every protocol: cutting, bulking, and maintaining; however, my advice is all from personal experience. Follow at your own risk, as I am not a certified professional / M.D.
Let’s begin, NPP stands for the chemical name: “nandrolone phenyl-propionate .” It’s often considered the “brother” of Deca , and this is because they are both very similar in molecular structure, with the exception of different esters attached to the molecule. (phenyl-prop v.s. deconate.)
Furthermore, the compounds half-life is around 72 hours, and as a result, there is often debate regarding the timing of NPP injection protocol. (So I’m going to address each of them individually, because injection protocols are completely reliant on goals IMO.)
Benefits of NPP compared to Deca:
a.) Little to no water retention
b.) Instant lubrication of joints, and pain-relief to injection sites.
c.) Fast acting
d.) Compound clears system only a couple of days after secession of use; and does not leave you terribly shut down for prolonged periods of time like deca.
e.) IMO faster recovery of the HPTA after cycle , because of ^^
Downfalls of NPP compared to Deca:
a.) Often a need for more frequent injections
b.) Sometimes can be painful injections
FAQ #1: “Can I utilize NPP for cutting, and how?”
A: Yes absolutely. NPP is a great compound for cutting. It will provide minimal water retention, and stacks very well with prop. Moreover, because it lubricates the joints it has excellent synergy with winstrol (if at a low BF), and eliminates winstrol’s worst side affect – dry joints.
My typical NPP cutter:
(weeks 1 – 10) Prop @ 75mg ED
(weeks 1 – 9) NPP @ 75mg ED
(weeks 5 – 10) Winstrol @ 50mg ED
^^ Notice that when I use Prop with NPP, I follow an “each day injection protocol”
FAQ #2: “Can I utilize NPP for bulking (especially lean bulking??)”
A: YES! Once again, NPP is an excellent choice for this form of bulking. The reason: NPP will provide you with a quick 10 – 15 pounds within 10 weeks of use, until secession of the compound. Moreover, because NPP is fast-acting, one will begin to see the results from it within 5 – 7 days of use. (Also, great strength gains from NPP)
My typical NPP bulker:
(weeks 1 – 14) Test-E @ 600mg EW
(weeks 1 – 13) NPP @ 525mg (each week) but EOD protocol
(weeks 9 – 16) Anavar @ 70mg ED
^^ Notice that during Bulkers I generally inject EOD
FAQ #3: “Can I use NPP similarly to Deca for therapeutic benefits?”
A: ABSOLUTELY! This is one of those things that I feel the medical community will eventually figure out. Often, doctor’s / HRT clinics will prescribe deca @ a low dosage of 100 – 250mg EW for it’s therapeutic benefits. I believe that eventually NPP may take deca’s place.
My typical NPP therapeutic cycle:
(weeks 1 – 10) Test-E @ 200mg
(weeks 1 – 9) NPP @ 200mg EW (but following EOD protocol)
^^ As you can see, I would keep the Test @ a low dosage, perhaps even a TRT dosage. Keep the NPP low, and break the injections up. 50mg x 4 injections a week = 4 injection sites that feel AMAZING, and well lubricated.
FAQ #4: "I like the above protocol ^^ but I don't like injecting .. Can I inject it every 3.5 days with my TRT dosage?"
A: Not a problem. That's another benefit of NPP. The half live of the compound is short, but JUST long enough that it can be used under this protocol.
Typical TRT + Therapeutic Cycle:
(weeks 1 - 10) Test-C @ 100 - 250mg EW
(weeks 1 - 10) NPP @ 100mg x 2 injections per week = ~ 200mg EW.
FAQ #5: "I have Deca, and want to use NPP as a kick-start... is that possible?"
A: YUP! That's fine. Run it the same way you would kick-start with prop on a Test-E cycle.
(weeks 1 - 12) Test-E @ 500mg EW
(weeks 1 - 10) Deca @ 500mg EW
(weeks 1 - 5) NPP @ 75mg ED or 125mg EOD.
Phew, finished. Ok, well I hope you guys enjoyed the read. BTW, I’ve kept all the dosages very moderate on this page, so if anyone has any special circumstances, and want to alter the dosages, or wants to stack additional compounds, etc... feel free to PM me and I’ll try and aid you as much as possible. I have run NPP at extreme dosages, and can relate to most any question . Have a good one boys; Thanks for reading.
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Hey man, just a piece of advice- until you post stats and cycle history people here are not going to give you advice on a basic test-e cycle, let alone something as advanced as NPP/tren ace. It's not because we're dicks, it's because we are looking out for folks and trying to prevent young and inexperienced guys from doing permanent damage to themselves. I recommend you post stats, cycle history, your goals, if you compete or plan on it and last but not least your training history then start a new forum post with this question.
Best of luck
very sound advice eagles. This is a nice board free of broscience and foolishness. Just simple very good advice
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Great post. Really love adding npp for some quick joint relief
Awesome post Dr. Doom.
Since you have experience with running NPP and extreme doses, did it have any negative impact on your manhood? This is the one thing that everyone on the net seems to want to know and isn't getting an answer. We all want the great gains and benefits of deca without that one major side effect.
I know the short ester means in and out quickly but if the nandralone still remains bound to the receptors that cause the erectile dysfunction. I am thinking that it may not but then again i have experienced it with deca and really want to use NPP but am just being cautious.
Could you lend some of your hands on experience on this topic?
Thanks
It's going to hit the nuts about the same as Deca. It's the same drug, just a different enter. Yes it will be in and out faster but it's still nandrolone which is a 19-nor. It's the same as tren ace, tren hex and tren e- they are all the same drug with different esters. They just all happen to be called tren as opposed to nandrolone phenylprop and Deca- I think that "tricks" some people into viewing them as different drugs.
I will say that there is a chance that NPP may be a little lighter on your nuts since you can run shorter cycles due to the short half life which allows you to minimize the amount of time that you are interfering with your hpta but I wouldn't count on it. I'm my opinion it's much better and safer to plan for the worst and hope for the best.
So far as when your on- deca dick is deca dick regardless of the ester and you need a test base and Prami/Caber on hand (some need it some don't but I view like a gun- better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it) unless you want to be shooting pool with a wet noodle.
AnonSo you are saying nandrolone and trenbolone are the same thing just because they are both 19nor? Trying to clarify your post a bit.
No, not at all. That was my bad though, now that I re-read what I typed it does read that way. I meant that Deca and NPP are both the same compound (Nandrolone) with different esters just like tren ace, tren hex and tren E are all tren, they just have different esters. I think some people not very familiar with AAS get confused and think that Deca and NPP are actually different compounds since the names are nothing alike unlike the different tren compounds that all start with "tren"
AnonGotcha, I figured you meant that but just wanted to be sure
Haha yeah, I tend to type the same way that I would speak and forget that it can come off differently when you type because there is no tone of voice. I probably should have separated those two sentences with a new paragraph.
Im thinking along the same path as you are but both tren ace and tren enan didnt give me the limp noodle but deca did. So for me, it isn't so much about just being a 19-nor, deca in particular affects my erections and not tren. However the deca dick only set in around week 6 or so, it didn't go completely dead but erections were short lived.
Another good observation is that the tren enanthate gave me a lot of thick hair growth on my shoulders and upper back and it never left but when i did tren ace, i did not get any more hair growth so I am of the belief that longer esters actually cause the drug to "sit around longer" even at the same weekly dose, compounding the drug increasing side effects.
Well there is only one way to find out the truth! I'm going to run the same dose of NPP as I did deca alongside the same does of test and see what happens. I will post the results and comparison here, I also have some Cabergoline on hand just in case.
My expectations are that if it is going to affect erections that it may start earlier due to the short ester
That's an interesting observation about the tren E vs tren ace. I've also heard some guys say that the emotional sides they get from tren E are much worse than tren ace which is why I stick to ace. I've never tried tren E but ace works well for me so I have no reason to change. Deca causes me to bloat horribly but I stay pretty dry on NPP as long as I use an ai which is why I prefer it to Deca
I totally agree, short esters all the way for a more productive cycle and lower sides.
Hmmmm I have a few godawfully painful taut muscle bands, muscles in places that dont belong that cause me a lot of pain, and arthritis on top of that as muscle pain goes. You have convinced me into researching the effect it could have on these problems. May ask doctor his opinion as well. Thanks for this information. It's like it was meant for me to find
Great information !! Awesome job I will be putting this to use +1
HOLY shit great info!! Thanks for that, I had heard the NPP and Deca were pretty similar but never really knew how exactly...
Good info, thanks
my best cycle ever was
npp 50mg tp 150mg and tren a 50mg every day
i like npp its simelar to tp !
npp have nothing to to with a nadrolon deconate in my opinion
Who the fuck negged this? +1
Good morning Doc,
I have some questions that you may able to answer.
I'm about to start a cycle with test e and NPP.
My cycle will be 9 weeks, I'm Looking for strength around week 14.
Would this be possible? With test e and NPP
My stats are
Age 42
66"
158
And I think my bf% is in the 16 to 17%.
Looking for strengths for mostly cardio, push ups, sit ups.
My chemicals are from bdsupements.
Thanks in advance for any inputs on this.
V/R:
Cassac.
NPP will work for this, but in my opinion it's not needed. TEST alone will provide you with what you want.
npp is great
i like to run
Test Phenyl Prop and NPP then depending if cutting or bulking just anavar/winny or dbol.
This is an excellent post. I'm actually designing my next cycle which will include npp for joint relief. Looks a little something like this.
Sust @ 400 mgs a week M,W,F 1-14 wks
Npp @ 200 mgs EOD 1-8 wks
Thinking about EQ 400 mgs wk 1-12
Typically its not ideal to run eq with nandrolone but I like the benefits of npp for joint relief. Would 200 mgs weekly be enough strictly for joint relief?
Yes 200mg a week is Perfect for joint relief
@diana no lab or source talk in open forums.
dianabolicshi,i been using nppfrom alpha pharma many times,really good results with test propionate and winstrol.after cycle lost only 2kg during 3 weeks when stoped using clomid.
First off I would like to thank all the people who have answered all the questions that people have in this thread.
2nd I have not been getting notifications when people post in here nor do I check in here much so if you need any advice please feel free to pm me with any questions you may have and I will do my best to get back to you right away
RichTrayI am running npp first time with test cyp. 200t/100npp EO.I have 3 weeks down and am loving this gradually strength build up and lube with no excess water.I am having 1 issue.I am completely shut down .I am guessing because i am still waiting for the test to kick? I did get some proviron from a reliable source but either its not enough(75mg daily) or its bunk.I am adding pramipexole tomorrow.Any insight on how it shuts you down in comparrison with deca?Maybe using a long ester to start cycle with the npp was not good for this reason?Also ,if running it as a deca kickstart,how to incorporate deca into cycle.Should you load it while you are taking the npp or just add it at the end of npp.
NPP is basically fast acting Deca, you should have ran some Prop with it. You are shut down just like you said. Test should be kicking soon. I'd stop the NPP for now until test is in full force. If you want to use it as a "kick" for Deca then you should have been running Deca since the beginning.
RichTrayThanks for the confirmation.I have been running deca from the beginning 1ml per week(300mg).The only other question I am unsure of is with the proviron.I feel as though it should be helping me out.I was hoping the proviron would offset the npp in the initial weeks.Its giving me 0 support.Is the proviron overwhelmed in the situation (without the help of test)or just bunk.In the past the proviron has worked very good for me with deca/test.Even at nearly even levels.Thanks again.
Proviron I feel is a good addition in any cycle, however I don't think it's enough in this case. If you stop the NPP is hold be out of your system fairly quickly then I would just finish the cycle in test and deca.
X2 proviron such a great compound to add to any cycle. Really adds a nice effect. So many benefits
Thanks for the info doctordoom. +3 Been wanting to try instead of Deca for a while now.
I've run two NPP sources and feel exactly the same and get the same results whether I'm on it or not. What's the chance two credible sources sent me bunk NPP? I'm trying a 3rd source to give it one last try, then I'm done with NPP if nothing changes.
supermansson11Yeah bro.what doses u running cause I'm gonna use npp.in one of my up coming 20 week cycles.I'm gonna use the npp.with DECA.to get things moving faster.
AnonWhat Dosages are you running? Set up?
That's great. I was just looking into the differences between NPP and Deca
Thanks
Great post I use low dose Deca for joint therapy and was looking for a change. As with Deca should Nolva be avoided with NPP during cycle but can it be use PCT???
AnonResearch Toremifene pct
I looked into it before. It's the step sister of nolva. Less reduction in Igf-1 but less up swing in testosterone. Some what safer on the liver. But has to be run at higher levels than clomid. Will do some more digging on its interaction with npp. Thanks for the tip.
Great compund in my opinion. I have used it before and enjoyed the benefits many times. Nice lean gains and overal great feeling, joint wise and mood wise.
As DOCTOR DOOM posted using NPP can get you into PCT quicker than Deca, but it still will not be as quick into PCT as a Phenyl Propionate ester for Test would be. Nandrolone is a weird acting AAS and the even though you might have cleared the drugs active life there are still Nandrolone metabolites hanging around that can keep you from recovering.
mands
NICE bro we need guys like u around here +2
Thanks Doctor! I hope to contribute when I can.
mands
Heard that NPP benefits athletes more than Deca.
RBC boosts, strength and endurance.... perfect!
Great post, I have been trying to read up on NPP and am interested in adding it to my next cutting cycle. I am a huge fan of Deca, so this seems like a good fit for me. I appreciate you sharing the information from your experiences, that is what this site is all about. Thank you + 1
Good info. Thanks for posting brother.I used Npp100 for the first time in my last cycle,20wks sust270, decca with dbol and Npp100 kicker.I ran a bit higher at 1ml eod with my sust and decca. I loved it. After a doped up driver hit me on my harley and tore my hip flexor I stay in pain and it was about the best I felt since the accident. My strength was way up. Pain was down even my wife noticed id jump out of bed with out limping for first hour awake.I gained 28lbs on that cycle. Should have been more but had a honeymoon for a week and flu after(bc I made my self toxic damn near a nb mistake), but im happy, and have more coming.Thanks again
Great info brother! Looking forward to my next cycle which will consist of Test P 75mg ED and NPP 50 ED with some Tbol thrown in the mix at 80mg ED
Good info bro! NPP is amazing. I'm surprised that more people haven't jumped on the NPP bandwagon yet. IMO NPP makes deca obsolete. At least for the purposes that we are using it for. The only downside to it that I've noticed from personal experience is that it greatly contributes to my insomnia, but I sleep like shit anyway on gear in general. NPP just happens to kill my sleep worse than tren for some reason. The other thing is that it does give me a good bit of extra aggression which can be good and bad. But that usually subsides after a couple weeks. Great in the gym, but not so great for those two guys in the SUV that cut me off and almost hit my car on the side where my son was sitting. I pulled that fucker out right out of his window at the next stop light. And I'll just leave it that lmfao
I'm hoping to try it sometime next year, i got 8 vials from a private srcc and 50 hg npp amps. i don't need all that but a private src matched my previous order free on a customer appreciation thing, and it just happened that i orddered npp for a friend on my last order. i got the hg amps cheap on a promo so i have morre than i can possibly use, but to much is better than not enough. I'm very interested in it cause i don't react much to deca. I've taljed to a few other guys like that, where deeca just don't work like it should. im hoping its a different story with npp.
Hey guy maybe y'all can help on a small problem I'm having with with NPP. Every shot day for the NPP about 6 hours after I get sick as hell. I'm only taking 100mg eod. Running fever cold sweats etc.
cycle looks like.
Sust 250mg eod
NPP 100mg eod
Var 40mg am/40mg pm
Any help would be greatly welcome. Thanks