posted Sat, 06/25/2016 - 16:23
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+ 3 Hgh the ultimate placebo 2 foung something to back up this members claim
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This is a great article that actually makes sense about hgh not helping with bbing just losing weight and helping with faster healing. Check it out you might not spend all that money on that hgh.
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Interesting article.
My experience for what it is worth:
I am now six months into a generic gh run that I started at low dose and slowly worked my way up to my current 4ius/day. For all but the 1st 6 weeks when I was pinning 1-2 ius/day, this has been in the absence of exogenous test. Also, until the past 3 weeks, I have been very inconsistent with my lifting and motivation. I have made no purposeful changes in my diet...actually it has been a good deal worse than it was this summer on cycle. It's fall in the Southeast(football season), and barbeque and beer are pretty hard to avoid.
Even with the negative changes in lifestyle, I have managed to lose an inch or two on waistline and a couple of % body fat. I have been at 4ius/day for about three months now. Also, given my recent lifestyle, I can't comment on any direct improvement in recovery, muscle mass, or strength from the gh. It certainly didn't allow me to get lazy after my summer cycle and keep all my gains, and I wouldn't expect it to(It was still early in my gh cycle to be fair).
I have a horrible time sleeping; it is probably the biggest problem in my life. I have definitely been sleeping better the past month, but I can't attribute this to the gh since I take med to help me sleep(I also can't say it isn't helping). But me sleeping better still means getting nowhere near what could be thought of as optimal. It dawned on me recently that the past month or so, I have felt better than I have in years. More energetic and RESTED. I really think the gh is helping me here. It seems to allow me to get more out of less sleep. Sleeping for 5 hours leaves me refreshed the way 8 hours used to. The increased feeling of restfulness and the fat loss are both very subtle, and I have noticed them mostly in hindsight. But they are definitely there, and I can't think of anything else to attribute it to.
Personally, I have experienced no negative sides other than some injection welps the 1st couple of weeks, but they went away quickly. No lethargy, carpal tunnel, bloating, or joint pain.
I am planning another cycle beginning in January, and expect to increase to 6ius/day during those few months. I can't wait to see how/if additional improvements are made with the gh in an anabolic state.
Sorry for the long-winded post. I might should have just started my own thread, and maybe I will. But in the meantime, I will share the experience here.
Thanks guys.
bigmurphThanks for sharing and adding to the post
Glad to be able to contribute something to a topic for a change. Generally I don't have enough experience to make credible comments...I just read and learn.
Thanks Murph.
bigmurphThats eroids brother its full of knowledge I've learned more in the year I've been here then i had known before I became a member. I've been at it for almost 20 yr
From the article: Compared with the placebo group, those taking HGH saw their sprint capacity improve by almost 4 percent; those taking HGH plus testosterone had an 8 percent improvement. The HGH-only group, however, saw no gains in muscle strength.
A 4% increase difference sounds like muscle growth to me. Also, this study was conducted for only 8 weeks. Common belief is that hgh needs to be taken at a decent dose for a few months for there to be noticeable mass gain. Im not saying that belief debunks this study but would certainly make sense to me...
Anecdote from my experience: During a period when I had a hard time putting weight on (unknown food allergy, kept shitting liquid, thought something else was the cause), I still made size gains on HGH. I dont think this would have been possible with just aas.
bigmurphSee this response is why I posted this. I've gotten mixed reviews about the article but real life experience from 9 out of 10 say hgh does help with more than just aging. I have always believed that it helps the body heal faster and that right there is the way muscle grows by tearing then healing. I just happened to think it would start a good conversation.
I think everyone should be on HGH just for anti aging and sleep and skin benefits.
My experience with HGH was used with primobolan and test ace
the amount of fat loss and muscle growth was very noticeable ran at 5iu m-f and 4iu Sat/Sun
obviously this HGH isn't Pharm grade but it has had positive benefits for me.
I originally started taking HGH because I was facing the possibility of neck surgery because I herniated 4/7 discs in my neck playing Rugby....Since they would not prescribe me hgh obviously I went out and got it myself. Within a week my neck stiffness was gone and I was getting insanely deep sleeps (which I haven't had since before my 20s) also carpal tunnel like side effects and hand numbness.
In terms of bodybuilding HGH NEEDS to be ran in conjunction with AAS and as well either insulin or T3.......I did run T3 on a pyramid and the fat melted off me.
how can you call GH a "placebo", and then say it promotes weight loss and faster recovery? Sounds like someone doesnt know what a placebo is.
bigmurphBrother its just a discussion about an article in mens health I thought was interesting. Everyone has there own opinion I just thought it was a good read
how is losing fat and faster recovery not helpful to bodybuilding?
Both of those qualities are helpful to BB. But, does GH do anything any better than AAS? The fat loss experienced by GH and AAS is temporary - once you stop the gear, it comes back. Test, Eq, Mast, Var and a lot of other AAS and related compounds can reduce fat - but once again, it is temporary. Faster recovery can be achieved with AAS - again, Test, Deca, Eq and others. I have only heard the 'faster recovery' bit anecdotally. After 30+ years of training, I have some chronic and recurring injuries that 5 months of GH has not influenced in any way. So far, my experience has been some nice weight loss without a radical change of diet, and some increased vascuarity, but that's about it. Nothing that could not be achieved by using AAS alone. There is no evidence to establish that GH actually promotes growth of new muscle cells - it's simply assumed because its a 'growth' hormone. For me it has been an expensive experience, and I am still not sure that it was a worthwhile 'investment.'
so your anecdotal experience nullifies the use of GH in BB? What kind of GH were you doing?
Nothing that I said has not been said a thousand times on a hundred forums - and in the absence of scientific research to back up the claims made by people about GH, then everyone's experience - including yours, is anecdotal.You are fond of putting words in my mouth - you really should read my posts - at what point did I state that my experience nullifies the use of GH in BB? I made no such comment, and have clearly stated that I am getting some positive effects - however, my point was - these same effects can also be achieved using AAS. If indeed, GH can grow new muscles cells, then it certainly is far superior to AAS - but again, no scientific evidence to back up the claim - only anecdotal evidence, which most people on these forums are happy to accept as fact and spend thousands of dollars. Apparently you can't name products in these threads - I am using the GH that is said to be overdosed (based on 1 vial, from 1 batch, almost a year ago)...but that doesn't matter, it has reached Urban Legend status now :-)
I think it's pretty funny that the syringes for the HGH article are all filled with oil, and in this article that's linked off of it about test (http://www.menshealth.com/health/low-testosterone-treatment) shows all slin pins. someone over there needs to do their homework lol.
either way, very interesting article and a good read. thanks for sharing.
bigmurphYeah there editors are definitely not users
i didnt start HGH for bbing, just for anti-aging. I would say it has helped with that especially in the area of better sleep. I think that if you use it for bbing you have to run pretty high doses and use insulin along with it. i'm no expert, but that is what i have picked up on via various articles and forums. I would think that just to build muscle AAS is the best way (an more cost-effective) as long as your nutrition and gym-time are on point.
For sheer muscle growth nothing beats AAS. When HGH is in a high anabolic environment it works far better than when ran alone and can literally transform a physique,,you get growth and fat loss.
Biased opinion by a HGH Source...please provide referenced articles supporting your assertions.
and a magazine article is a credible source? LOL. there aren't exactly a lot of peer reviewed studies on the effects of HGH on building muscle along with steroids.
Tell me, what magazine article did I refer to? If you bothered to read the many previous posts before shooting your mouth off - you would have seen that I have made the exact same point.about a lack of peer-reviewed studies,
bigmurphDid I offend you brother i don't understand why your upset with what I said
Nope mate - not offended at all. My reply was directed at Binary. BTW - have you decided to give the GH a go?
bigmurphI decided to go with primo first gh will another 5 yrs when im 40
Cool. I reckon that if it really works, then maybe it's better to use it when natural levels start dropping off. So middle age and older might be the best time to try it. I wonder what possible damage young guys in the early 20'smight be doing to their pituitary and pancreas buy using GH while their natural levels are pretty much at a peak anyway.
bigmurphIt's just a discussion that comes from a few members that were saying that hgh is just a placebo for bbing its just for anti aging.
The article is a reference to show that there are really more people out there looking for hgh to do amazing things and it really doesn't. Unless you use it under certain conditions
bigmurphDefinitely a legitimate statement brother but you kinda sound like a dick the way you asked im sure you didn't mean it like that. I would like to always read some links so im all for some good reading.
Anyone can make any statement that they want on a forum or the internet - for it to have credibility it really needs to be backed up, preferably by some science. I posted my original comments (in my first and only forum topic) as being things that I was thinking - I didn't make definitive statements - like Ashop's. Good reading in the context of learning isn't about entertainment - it's about learning from reliable sources...or just read any shit you like and believe it. Your choice.
bigmurphIts true
I hope he does post some links because after your post I've been interested in this subject.
I have always believed the same that hgh works wonders because of my buddies results when he ran it but I would like to read some science behind it and not bro science I would like to read some studies
I keep looking for them but there is not a lot out there. As you know from your own research most GH research concerns people/children who are GH deficient. There is very little on the effects on healthy individuals. Honestly mate - I don't know if GH does what it is alleged to do - I have read the stories and seen the pics, but so far, I haven't experienced anything to convince me that it does what it is claimed to do. However, I committed myself psychologically/financially to a 6 month trial, and still have a few months left before I have a personal opinion on the subject based on my experience...and I guess that I might have sounded like a dick - however, I'm a retired college professor...it's my nature to require people to substantiate their claims.
bigmurphIts just that we can only type so you can't see people to tell how its being expressed i didn't mean anything ill by that comment. I want to hear you're opion because I like hearing personal experience from both sides of the situation good and bad experiences it helps me with my desicion if im going to run hgh or not. Like you said its basically just going off of people experience because the medical field hasn't done enough studies on hgh especially related to bbing. There is only one that I know of which is what sparked the use of hgh in bbing and sports and so forth. So everyone's experience is valuable good or bad.
Honestly - if I were you, I would give it a try. You have a friend who ran it and got great gains - so buy the gear he used, and run his program. You can read and read and the more you read sometimes, the more confusing an issue becomes. That's why I finally took the gamble. My partner says that she can see some changes in my body - I can see a little - but is that the Eq, test and Anavar.....who knows. I just bought more Ang - I'm going to see this 'experiment' through and see what results, if any, I achieve. The pseudo-logic I used in deciding was after reading every article that I could find, reading hundreds of comments and dozens links on many forums, I averaged out the comments and found that most people claimed to have gotten something from using GH. I decided to use it for the claimed fat loss - as that theme resonates throughout all the info available. Let me know if/when you decide to take the leap.
bigmurphThis is what I also believe but I like everyone to see different opinions and how there are different views I've seen people get amazing results from hgh use.
Interesting read bud, I'm not really looking to build muscle with gh. I'm just into the fat loss and healing aspects, so hopefully I get those benefits. But yeah, I think gh is probably overrated in general for most people.
bigmurphI actually told another guy yesterday that he was wrong and that hgh did build new muscle fibers.
I just wrote him a pm because he was telling me basically exactly what this article says now this article was written by someone who could have had an agenda. But its interesting because I've read medical journals that say it does build muscle fibers now I read this medical type of report saying it doesn't and I've seen some of our brothers here get gains from hgh and I have a close buddy that ran a ton of hgh and he was huge. So I don't know what to believe so I thought I would post it.
Honestly bro. I personally believe from my own experience, and from my very close friend who competes professionally it definitely builds muscle. My buddy has ran HGH 10+ ius ed for about 15 years now. Dude he walks around 300 lbs at about 8% bf. When he competes he drops to about 260. My point being without HGH this would have never been possible for him. This is from his own mouth. I have ran HGH off and on for about 5 years, and just haven't been able to run high enough dosages to consistently build muscle. I'm now going to start running 8 ius ed in about 2 more weeks. I'm currently at 7. Hopefully I can eventually run 10, but need to save some funds. I think consistently running 8+ for more than at least 2 years straight should be enough time to see if I build consistent muscle mass with HGH. Only time will tell, but I look forward to doing this. Good topic here bro. Should be interesting to see others replies as well. Take care bigmurph
bigmurphI believe the same that it does build muscle fibers but I wanted to post this because another member and me were discussing how he thought hgh was the ultimate placebo but I've personally seen what hgh can add and have read medical journals that say it does build muscle fibers and cells. I just wanted to show that in your research you can always come across conflicting information especially from a mainstream media outlet like mens health.
I thought it was interesting also that they admit it does everything else but build muscle. Seems to me like there was an agenda here.
Right on brother. I really like your point. It's nice to see both sides, but you definitely could be right on the agenda thing. I think anyone that is semi educated, or has some decent personal experience with it knows about is muscle building properties. Good post bro.
Yeah I dunno if Men's Health magazine would be my go to source of information about this. I mean I'm sure they do their research but I see them as part of the mainstream media that has a biased opinion towards PEDs in general.
I could be wrong but I bet they did have their own agenda in publishing this article. Could you imagine the backlash they would get if they even remotely endorsed GH or AAS use? Someone would probably get fired lol.
So I take it all with a grain of salt and prefer to do my own research. I'm open to all sides of the argument and am currently into my first GH run so time will tell. I guess the best way to know how it will work is to try it yourself. But I'm with you bud, I think it can build muscle over time, just gotta be patient.