-1 I may have just shot myself in the foot!
Ok. this is my first post so no doubt I'll get something wrong but here's where I am. I'm not your traditional bodybuilder or powerlifter. nor am I an agent of a lab or a friend of a friend who has a lab, I'm just a normal bloke simple as . now that's out of the way I'll begin.
I tried aas a few years back and hey they worked, I got bigger,stronger, more angry than ever and I loved it!! one problem I didn't have a clue what I was doing and neglected PCT,cardinal sin I know but that's how it was. Fast forward to 2016 and I'm about to do it all over again. Now I know that I'm painting a huge target on my back and as I write this I'm mentally preparing myself to be verbally hung drawn and quartered by the great and good of this site however I'm going to do it anyway. I know some people love stats be it dietary or routine or something else and wise men go with the data because the numbers don't lie. I'm not going to do that though. All I will say is that I'm 34 I weigh 80kg and I train about 4 times a week am and pm. Now the whole reason I'm doing this is because I'm curious by nature and like experimenting that's just me. I got myself some dbol sus300 decca300 and clomid, tamoxifen for PCT. The lab im using which I won't name just yet make the injectables and the oral dbol so if nothing else at least I'll be able to give an unbiased opinion on how it worked on me. what I'm going to do is run a 12wk cycle and see what happens. I'll say no more than that. Please don't think me arrogant it's the last thing I am and also please don't jump in to crucify me for the way I'm doing it, yes it's unconventional and probably just plain wrong but it will be honest and true. I have a few more thing to prepare yet and also I'm going to get a blood test and liver values done prior to starting just incase I have any underlying issues that I don't know about. I'll post pics at the start and end of each week and at the end of my PCT ill post logs of as many details as I can so you can form your own opinions. that's about it from me for now but I wish you all well and thank you in advance for taking the time to at least humor me and read my post
bye for now....
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So many f'ing words,.............I'm starting to think the OP just likes to see himself talk.
there are so many words because I am being made to feel that i have to justify my intentions! so i am being as clear as i can.
Rustyhookerno stats...no service
5-9 @ 160??? Bf????
6'3 176 16% bf , t's even worse then that lol.
RustyhookerNow he stretched to 6-3? Lol
. Age: 34Height: 5.9"Weight: 76kgBF:
lol sorrry, i read 175 for height and thought 75 inches which would be 6'3, so he is 5'9, 175cm.
RustyhookerThis one cant be more than 18 or a retread.
what is you problem sir? I apologise if I have done something to offend you as it was not my intention but please, if all you wish to do is insult me then I respectfully ask that you no longer comment on my posts.
What on gods green earth are you talking about?
hi there. No stats....no service??
I can see you are a very experienced and any input you have I'm sure would be very valuable but I didn't ask for any sort of service. The whole point of this exercise is not to follow any specific cycle other than one that I have laid out. my reasoning is because there is so much information and misinformation that to decipher it all accurately is impossible, purely because of conflicting opinions and also conflicting
" research" as inexperienced as I am there is no perfect cycle because we're all different and yes I understand that some methods are tried and tested and have proven to work but if you look around, in practice it never! works for everyone. I'm just going to cycle and post up my findings. completely impartial and completely unbiased....call it inquisitive self testing.
Actually there is an absolutely perfect one size fits all 1st-3rd to possibly every cycle you run during your juicing career. It looks like this, but only after you build a base of muscle naturally which at your height should be around 220-230lbs at 10-12% bf seeing that you're 6'3. 176lbs at 16% bf is what most people weigh who have never stepped foot in s gym before weight, so you need to spend a few uears leaning how to eat train and how your body responds to different rep ranges, number of days in the gym, diets etc. now back to that cycle you said is impossible to write cause we're all different. It looks like this
10-12 weeks of test e or c 400-500mg per week
An aromatize inhibitor, this is where everyone is different, some need to take it all cycle while others just need it on hand just in case
Then 2 weeks after your last shot nolva clomid pct.
That cycle works for everyone, I don't give a fuck who you are it put 28lbs on me. There's an old saying from a well known bodybuilder, if you can't grow on 500mgs of test you picked the wrong sport. This cycle can be ran for ever, 10 times there's no limit, you just have to tweak your diet each cycle as you get bigger and you'll keep growing.
You want to run deca, do you know why these other anabolic bulking drugs are available? It's for the guys who just cannot grow on only test anymore, they have maxed it out and to continue progress one has to add a new drug. A very very tiny percentage of people fall into this category, at you're height they would be around 260-270lbs seeing as you'd 6'3. Now this is your first cycle and you think you can't grow on testosterone? Is that a joke? A good friend of mine is an Ifbb pro, steps on stage around 240-250 depending at 5'9 at 3% bf, his off season is 500mgs of test with 400-600mgs of eq, he's so much bigger then you it's not even fucking funny, and eq is so much weaker then deca, you wanna run 400mgs of deca, that's equal to probably 1000mgs of eq if not more. So you're first cycle is going to be bigger then a massive Ifbb pro who's been using gear for 30+ years and ran I couldn't ever guess how many cycles. Does that seem logical?
I'm not questioning mine or anybody's ability to grow on test alone. nor am i trying to be an IFBB competitor
I want to see what effect the compounds i have listed will take on me. I have said from the get go this is a personal experience and i am doing it as RESEARCH.
I DON'T WANT TO DO SHOWS. I DO NOT WANT TO WIN PRIZES. I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!
If you dont want to win shows, be an ifbb pro, and you just wanna look good and have that advantage in the gym test should be all you need to grow, that plus alot of food and hard training. Thats it. Add some dbol for bulks and anavar for cuts. Simple. I dont run drugs because " I just want to see what happens" I run them with a specific goal in mind. If im bulking hard im gonna pick dbol, not anavar just to see what it does, and at the end of a cut im gonna pick anavar, not wet ass dbol when im trying to polish off my physique and bring out all the striations and cuts etc. Youre a lost cause.
If I'm a lost cause then feel free to stop commenting on my posts then... simple
WERE TRYING TO HELP YOU DESPITE HOW RELUCTANT YOU ARE TO ACCEPT ANY FORM OF ADVICE FROM GUYS WITH TONS OF EXPERIENCE, A FEW HAVE BEEN USING FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE!! FOR BEST RESULTS AND MINIMAL RISK TO YOUR HEALTH YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LISTEN. MOST 34 YEAR OLDS WOULD BE WISE ENOUGH TO KNOW THIS ALREADY.
I already head my hands up and apologised for my early intentions. Yes I was WRONG to have the attitude that I did. However my point of view has changed dramatically and after a serious reality check I'm am approaching this from a sensible angle and would greatly appreciate any advice people have to offer. The cycle you suggested appears to be a wise one. but could you you revise it please as I made a typo with my weight. Once again I'm sorry for my earlier attitude.
RustyhookerSO GO DO IT.
I am. can I ask though for any suggested articles I should read up on?
thanks
wow this is hard work! where has everybody got this 6'3 height thing??
Please accept my apologies i am 70kg not 80kg. This was a genuine mistake on my part!
70kg = 154 lbs ( approx )
80kg = 176 lbs ( approx )
Actually it is equal to 2.205 lbs.
Phat phingers
HaHa just a bit. Look I've been reading some of the threads from the older guys and the first thing i'm going to do is hold my hands up and say YES I HAVE DIVED INTO THIS FAR TO QUICKLY!! the thread I've been reading is about TRT and the negative effect its had on peoples lives. needless to say I've put the brakes on
my plan to "just see how it works out" so i (humble pie in hand) am asking members for any advice on how i should proceed if at all.
See, I am glad I didn't go with my first instinct with you and gave you the chance to figure this out. Good on you
Thanks. I've read some real horror stories and i don't want to become another statistic! so time to do some more research, except for the time being ill keep it theory and NOT practical!!
RustyhookerAhhh...The neener neener type of mentality. So why come to troll info when you really have no planning nor do you choose to even apply yourself.
No plan is a failure. Enjoy! You got your cosigners down below.
" I'm just going to cycle and post up my findings. "
OK at no point have i "trolled" info i have stated my intentions and my reasoning. i have posted my stats despite not wanting to originally. i have graciously accepted that some do not agree with my methods
and as far as i can see i haven't done anything to deserve the lambasting that i'm getting.
Rusty.......who said i didn't have a plan?
and will someone please tell me what a cosigner is?? if its supposed to be an insult, then ill let you into a little secret (its only insulting if the other person knows what you're talking about)
Well enlighten us on why you made this post then. Just so you could hear what people have to say with no plan on changing what you plan to do? What a waste of everyone's time. Better plan would have been to just have done it and then told us how it worked out for you. Much less waste of everyone's time. Suggest you stop posting now and come back with your results. Just remember if you're in a heap of trouble and need help getting yourself out of the deep end you may not find many willing to help considering your approach.
OK well firstly i'm not sure why you see it as a waste of time? I'm looking at this as research and unless i'm very much mistaken it is down to research that all of you fine people on here have cycled AA's am i correct in saying that? The reason i posted this first is because i have observed many forums and to the casual observer it seems that sometimes when an individual posts a cycle log and results without "informing the board", and the cycle is a particularly successful one that individual is branded a liar and a charlatan! then the wise old owls jump onboard and then before you know it this poor guy has been verbally assassinated!!
for doing exactly what you are asking me to do. And ok if i do get into a heap of trouble and i do need help yes i will ask, but if nobody chooses to help me then i think that would say more about the individuals nature than my foolishness. once again i really am grateful for all your comments positive and negative. One way or another i will learn from this experience sure ill make mistakes along the way but that's to be expected. One thing i will say though is often in a room/forum full of people the wisest ones are the ones who have made the most mistakes.
Well now we know. Post up your pre-cycle blood work and a current picture and then no one will call you a liar when you come back and tell us how amazing your cycle was.
You know what I think? I think you're looking for a cosigner. Well your not going to get it here that's for sure. Either shut-up or start again properly. Post up your stats and give some proper details about your experience, diet, training, goals etc. and we can take it from there. That's the eroids protocol. And listen bud as to getting help if you get into the shit. You reap what you sow. Think about that.
P.S. Are you sure you're really 34? Seem more like a teenager with your immature attitude?
Edit: I see you've posed your stats now. That's a start.
Ahhh and there is goes. please could you explain why i have an "immature attitude"? I have been polite and honest throughout my post, and courteous in accepting all that the forum members have to say. Despite this i am accused of being a cosigner?? and i have been told to "shut up" or "start again properly" Now it may just be me but id hardly call that a "mature" attitude. Also who said my cycle was going to be amazing? i haven't even started it yet and have no clue what the outcome will be. Yes you do reap what you sow that's why i'm careful not to plant the seeds of negativity that are often given by others.
Don't you think saying I'm going to do what I'm going to do no matter how crazy or dangerous it is immature. Sorry if I'm coming across like a harass but I still don't get the point of all this. And by the way I didn't accuse you of being a cosigner I'm saying that's what you may be after. Anyway as I'm too negative I'm going to do myself the favour of shutting up. I'm done here. Good luck.
P.S. Done forget to post your blood work and current pic.
Dacky what i'm planning on doing is NOT crazy or immature. The first ever person to try AA's wasn't crazy or immature he/she was curious, and as a result of that curiosity you (with the aid of AA's) have a body you are extremely proud of correct? your'e not coming across as a harass just someone who is very frustrated. People are often like that when they can't understand the intention of others. Now is this good luck a sincere one or are you "SMFH" as you were the last time you wished me luck? Ill be sure to post all results as an when i get them.
( whats a cosigner by the way?)
Put your stats up..
age-34
weight -80kg
height- 175
training 4x pw am+pm
calorie intake 3000- 3500 per day
protein 230g daily
carbs 230g daily
B/F 16%
im out, done typing to beginners about why they dont need anything other then just testosterone. You said you fucked up years ago, well this could be alot worse, deca needs a dopamine agonist, a specific ratio of test to deca to keep your dick and everything working, sust requires eod shots minimum, your pct is weak, tamox is not enough, you need clomid also.
heres an all in one guide to learning how to run your first cycle, it willl help everything make sense.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/noobs-guide-on-h...
firstly thankyou. but I guess you didn't read my opening statement thoroughly. clomid and tamoxifen are in my box of pct tricks. ;-)
Well thanks for sharing. Good luck with your plan. SMFH!!!!
Thanks Dacky
If you stick to your plan as you state down below you won't know how to counter side effects or which compound is causing them. Why not just do a 12 week testosterone enanthate cycle and MAYBE throw proviron in there at 25 - 50mg per day. That was a good expiriment and experience for me at age 37. I'm 40 now and still haven't run deca/npp. If you eat right and train hard with you not having run many cycles before you should grow like a weed. Read my profile. I'm just like you brother. I do this for aesthetics, because I like experimenting, and because I'll be on TRT one day anyhow. Trust me man. Just run a nice 500mg per week 12 week test e cycle. Less complicated and you'll thank me later. Use the search function and type in "12 week test cycle" "aromasin vs arimidex" and "how to pct." Start reading about those three and your mind will unclutter to make sense of things to where you're not blindly jumping in because you're headstrong about doing this.
Thanks for your advice flacidego
You're welcome. Study up, post up a sensible cycle, and remember to be open to critique. You're playing with hormones and your endocrine system. You want more benefit than risk? Take our advice and slow down before you crash and burn.
I really do appreciate anything you gentlemen suggest! I'm completely aware of the perils and pitfalls of AAS. The one thing I dont wish to do is "crash and burn" fortunately for me I have unlimited access to a medical professional who I'm sure will monitor my progress throughout my cycle. interestingly enough when you say post up a "sensible cycle" it's only going to be sensible for a short period of time because sooner or later "research" will come out saying it's been done wrong for years! and everybody will do their own analysis and former their own opinions then others jump on the bandwagon and round and round and round we go! but hey thats life :-)
Just trying to communicate to you that there are healthier choices and ways to go about things that have zero to do with bro-science. Good luck man.
i completely get that' and also appreciate that. But i do also understand that i'm on a site dedicated to AA's
which i doubt very much any medical professional would think is a healthy choice for anyone!, Despite that here we all are doing exactly the opposite to what ANY medical professional would advise.
Thanks for the good luck flacidego
https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs
Thanks KMC
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Ai? Caber/prami? Doses of what your going to use?
Why post this if you're gong to do it anyway? Don't waste yours on anyone else's time.