Ai discussion on the usual crazy info
I didn't write this so I deserve no karma but I thought it was a good read and I didn't agree with everything that was written but read it and take from it what you want.
This is for the vets and for guy's that have questions about ai and controlling there estro and progesterone. I want to discuss the things written here because alot of people believe that some of this is true when in real life it isn't and I want to get facts out from members so when new guys trying to learn read something like this they can have information that is more realistic.
I would also like to get a discussion going about what members agree with from this and what they think is wrong information.
http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-han...
I would like to hear some feedback from everyone
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The issue here is individuality. I don't use AI's unless I use Dbol. I've used high doses of test, way higher than would be appropriate to detail here without my estro getting more than about 15% above the ideal "range". In terms of test, I'm obviously hugely unlikely t develop gyno. Now throw dbol into the mix, game changer. Within 5 days, my estro will be double the value it was on as little as 50mg. Solution - I don't really use dbol these days. Most of it's crap anyway.
Only other thing that can throw up a challenge is water based test suspensions. Can make a few peaks and troughs due to the way it's used and the shirt half life. Otherwise the inclusion of master on and proviron is sufficient for my needs. Important words their, MY NEEDS.
We're all different, that's the interesting part of endocrinology, but also the most challenging. In my profession, I'm not the biggest fan of medics, they tend to believe they're academically superior when s reality a lot make piss poor scientists, I've hired enough of them to make that comment. In principle they work through a series of symptoms ticking stuff off in the same wAy a mechanic funds what's at fault on a car. One field I do hugely respect are endose syste every tine they start from scratch without a real"checklist".
What works on me wouldn't necessarily work for even a sibling of similar age / height / weight with similar genetics. There's also the problem of "gyno paranoia". Nobody wants it, do better to be safe than sorry.....
bigmurphThats why this discussion is always difficult to have alot depends on who is taking what everyone reacts different to the compounds they take and then also the compounds they take to control the sides from the others.
Thanks for your input
bigmurphThe article is about ai and serms but it doesn't mention Proviron which I believe should be brought up in any estrogen control discussion I believe that its ability to help with estro is overlooked alot. I believe it is a great compound to use to help control estro I personally don't like to take ai's unless its a must because estrogen is a very important part of building muscle
Accidentally replied to faz. Was meant for you about the recommendation for an ai on 1st cycle. As needed or as prevention? I read a lot that it's recommend for prevention on 1st cycle.
I completely agree with what your saying about estrogen being a very important part of muscle building. The last cycle I ran, I had didn't use an ai at all, I had adex on hand but didn't feel like I needed it, no gyno issues at all and felt great with good solid gains.
The cycle prior to that was the same dosages but using adex .25 e3d I think, so it was still only conservative dose but the gains weren't as great an I didn't feel like as good on cycle. Obviously other factors could of contributed to the difference.
I never suggest to someone not to use an ai, but I think some people use them unnecessarily.
I read a lot on here, and ive.learned alot as well. When it comes to 1st cycle it's "recommend " to take an ai halfway through the cycle. Can you just hold off on an ai and use if problems arise?
Bloodwork is the best way to be sure if u need it or not, I would recommend an ai for your first cycle just because you don't know how your body will react to the testosterone an it's better to be safe than sorry.
Everybody is different so what works for me might not work for you.
I would start a low dose ai on week 4 like 0.25 adex e3d and get bloodwork on week 6 that will tell you if you need to back off or increase the ai.
Hope that helps!
Did you have any BW to compare the estro for the 2 cycles? Would be an interesting comparison.
No I'm afraid not, I live in the uk, its not that easy to get bloods done here, although I've never really looked that hard. I was just talking from my limited experience.
Shoot me a PM if you want. I can point you in the right direction. Costs about £120 for full hormone panel. Not cheap but the cheapest I've found doing research for this service in the UK.
Brilliant, thanks a lot. Fr sent
bigmurphI have experienced this also the first time I used an ai I used adex and I felt that I didn't get out of my cycle what I normally get. Now I use Proviron and keep an ai ,aromasin on hand just in case
What do you dose the proviron at?
bigmurphThis cycle coming up i will dose at 50mgs a day because im running npp with it. Usually I just use 25mgs
Ok thanks. I'm about to try it instead of an ai. Thinking I'll try 25mgs Ed at first
bigmurphMake sure that you have an ai on hand just in case you need it if you don't have it and try to just rely on the Proviron and you get some gyno then you will be screwed. Go with aromasin
Yea I have aro. I've been taking it and it makes me feel like shit: so gonna try to see if I can get away with proviron
bigmurphHave you gotten your blood test your estro might already have crashed
Yea I did. I sent u a pm
bigmurphI personally don't agree with using any type of ai in my pct I believe that saying to use aromasin during pct looks good on paper but you need your estro just like you need your test levels to come back to normal.
Another thing I see alot is that clomid is not great for pct and to run only nolva. I understand that this is a person by person basis but if you can take clomiphene I believe in taking both nolva and clomid if you don't get sides from them
Maybe to get the discussion going, what parts didn't you agree with?