posted Mon, 12/14/2015 - 16:20
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Bold cyp vs bold undeclynate
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So I know that both compounds are equipose with different esters one with cypionate that is faster than the undeclynate.
Which do members prefer I want to incorporate one or the other into my first cycle i do when I heal up.
I would like to get stories ,comparisons,and reasons of why I should use the cyp or the undeclynate.
This conversation is much appreciated and I would like to see some science as why one is better than the other.
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Can't speak to the cyp eater because I've personally never used it before but I love EQ, the trick is to front load it. Based on the half life, front load for two weeks. (Double dose each inj for 2 weeks) this practice allows the blood levels to reach maximum much quicker and I saw changes from around week 4. Boldenone gets a lot of hate for some reason. I think it's because it doesn't just blow you up fast like dbol or nandrolone or chop you up like tren. It's effects are very desirable for bodybuilding purposes though. It gives great endurance in the gym. I can lift harder for longer. It polishes an already good physique, really just makes everything pop just that much more, and it makes my skin look better than anything else. It makes your body shine like a freshly washed horses mane lol
bigmurphThis is why im drawn to eq slow steady gains I have basically always bulked in the past and I want to start having more muscle definition all my past cycles were basically test and dbol im trying to go in a different direction now and I don't use nor 19 especially tren but im looking into the npp for a cycle in the far future im thinking 8wks t prop npp var and proviron.
honestly murph, once i made the switch from using test as my main cycle component to dropping it to the lowest amount and blasting up the amounts of other anabolics, my physique has made leaps and bounds. i love 19-nors personally, high tren/ high npp cycles with lower test just gives such a great effect on ones physique. if you want to stay away from 19-nors for the time being. try lowering test and blast high EQ, and then cycle in and out orals. i dont like bloat so im not a big fan of dbol. i love my anadrol, i stay tight and hard and vascular on it. just get rounder and larger in all the right places. so thats what i do now. low test, high: EQ, tren, npp are my go tos. and then cycling in and out anadrol. and i usually keep a small dose of proviron in to free up test and keep dht up for libido and mood if i dont have any dht based stuff in the blood. tried masteron once and honestly its kinda harsh and i dont see the need for it in regular cycles unless your prepping. its hard on the prostate i find and for the extra bit of hardening and water manipulation it gives imo, its not worth the stress and extra oil. but if you need other options, non 19-nor definately check out EQ, maybe try 1-test cyp, and even primo if you can afford it. as far as orals, all i use now is anadrol for exagerating muscle diameter and size, and anavar for fat burning and hardening. other than those things ive listed i find i dont really see the need for much else
Hey kap I was wondering how you do your cycles when you use eq as base?
agree with rusty, this is an old thread. post up the question you have in your own thread. and i do them just as i stated. low test (250-350mg) and high eq (600mg-1g) went as high as 1.2g before but not much difference. i think 800-900mg is the sweet spot for me. i run it no shorter than 16-18 weeks with a base dose of low test e. and depending on what im looking for at the time ill run drol, tren, or npp on top for different goals. but test + eq gives a nice look and effect to compliment any goal. but... i know what im doing and have learned my body by this point. dont just jump in and copy other people without knowing your body first. dont be stupid
RustyhookerYou should make your own forum so its centered on your stats, goals ands priors
bigmurphIm right there with you keep the test levels low run proviron and use other compounds to boost your cycle my favorite was always dbol but it gives me high bp in my older age so now im going to stick with tbol,var also eq is a definite for my long ester cycles and for the short ester cycles im thinking about the npp also mast and winstrol has crossed my mind adrol is a possibility but it will probably make my bp go high also the 1 test has also been something i have looked at and my dream cycle 20 wks test e 300mg primo 600mgs tbol kick var end start hgh 1 month prior to first pin at 2iu 2x a day for duration of cycle and one month after. For that cycle i will need to save up for awhile. But that is my dream cycle for sure
thats a costly cycle haha but id be worth it. some good ol fda pharma gh prime, while cracking primo amps everyday sounds blissful haha ...never tried tbol. seems too "in the middle" for me. drol and var are the two best of the extremes. drol for size and var for tightening, both for strength. never saw the point of tbol. anything worth looking into in your opinion?
bigmurphWould the drol fuck up my bp and tbol for you i think you would like it iif you run it high enough think dbol but take away all the estro issues if you like var I think you would be all right with tbol they are both considered mild orals some people with tbol run higher im going to run between 50-60 a day split and it's a lab that you shouldn't have to run alot but with other labs you might want to run 80mgs. Its not drol but it does give you solid gains and good strength and not as harsh
Fersure, maybe I'll give it a go in the future. I just don't see what people mean as to anadrol harshness. Ime, it's not. Being 17-aa of course it's stressful on the liver but that's with anything oral. But I just don't understand the horror stories behind drol. Bloat, acne, migraines, lethargy, appetite suppression, feeling like shit ect. I don't get any of that, ever. And I'm using real Turkish anapolan so I know I'm using real deal oxymethlone. I get just as many noticeable sides from Anavar as I do from drol. That's saying something... But it will raise rbc quite a bit so your bp, might go up. But that's with any AAS really.
bigmurphIt might be because you use pharma that you don't have so many problems. I got a sample of drol coming i was going to just give it to my boy but I think im going to try it see if it effects my bp and if it doesn't I might give it a go in the future. When I take it should I use it as a pre-workout or split 50mg 2x a day
I would start with 25mg am and 25mg pm or pre-workout if you workout in the evenings. 50mg is plenty for me so I would start with that and then bump up if you really feel the need to.
bigmurphIm going to start at 100 split 2x a day like KAPSIZE said but will drop to 25 and 25 depending on how I feel thanks for your input also thanks for that great post you put up with the 10 commandments and everything else I loved it read it like 6 times plan on following it once I heal up
If I remember correctly, the half life of drol is something like 9 hours. So I'd personally do 50mg 2x /day. (100mg total) 50mg in the am, 50mg pm or preworkout if you train in the evenings a like I do
bigmurphI will try to start at 100 split 2x a day and I will adjust if needed thanks KAPSIZE
anytime, personally i think if you get bad sides from anadrol one will experience them regardless if they run 50mg or 100mg/day. its kinda a "you either tolerate it well or you dont" type compound. ive gone up to 150mg/day but didnt see any difference really, only going through my supply 33% quicker lol. 100mg is good for me
I think alot of those side with Adrol pop up with people who have higher bodyfat. I have never had any issues with adrol but I really never have my BF above 12%. Lot of other people I have talked to seem to have few issues with it and there BF is lower also. Albeit this is a somewhat limited pool of people I know who have used it but it is an observation I have noted nonetheless.
This . AAS works better when you're lean . Sides come from not being physically ready for gear use (overweight )
Never been over 10% bf myself and I've never had 95% of the sides people complain about . Aggression here and they're which i find to be a plus most of the time and some night sweats . Nothing more
Interesting. Well all AAS definitely works better on lower bf individuals. Anyone over ~15%bf is too fat for AAS IMO anyways
RustyhookerReally? How so?
I promise you this guy is extremely un healthy running high doses of AAS and being severely overweight. Heart attack waiting to happen
RustyhookerPossibly. But also debatable. Every month a new top name bodybuilder dies. Last month was a top guy from india. Well known. Dialysis is common in bodybuilders running too much protein. New fad is 600 grams protein s day and they're on dialysis in no time. There's always the things not seen. Like my friend always talking crap about meateaters. Went to hospital for a scrap and blood work showed his super clean vegan butt was about to die because cholesterol. And he's only 32. Lol.
Either way, there's risks. Ive read more bodybuilders gone for taboo and excess.
Lol, ..not sure if you're being facetious rusty. If not, what were you pertaining too?
RustyhookerBeing facetious yes. Power lifters are often time considered fat. But they're on gear and lifting tons. So I guess its by sport in terms of fat or lean.
True. Most of my comments are from a bodybuilding frame of mind and AAS use for muscular development rather than strength. Different strokes for different folks I guess haha I look way better sitting at 185lbs lean then I did at 212lbs, but at 212 I was a hell of a lot stronger lol just looked like a watery bloated mess haha
RustyhookerI agree with that. I prefer the older style of bodybuilding like labrada at our height. Powerful but carved out if stone. I get up to 205 and its a chore to just carry it but to meet my goals im headed up to 215 so I'm able to hit stage at 195.
There's been a long time power vs bodybuilding debate. Both share the iron but different goals and typically body type. But I cant tell a power lifter he or she is too fat when they have more base and strength than most folks here.
true that. my favorite era was the early 90s personally. ~'92-96' early wheeler and levrone, ray, dillet, cormier, taylor ect.. best physiques to grace the stage imo. many of todays BBers just arent as crisp. i definitely like how NPC introduced the classic physique division. my X type frame wouldnt place all too well in mens physique, just arent built for it. which im glad for haha but to do well at nationals in BB at my height id have to be 195-210 to really place well. and thats being dry. now i can do classic physique and i think the cutoff for 5'6" is something like 175lbs so now i can do some damage lol going to keep leaning down till im ~6-7%bf and then prime with gh or ghrh/ghrps and then really blast up on AAS and up cals to add some more lean tissue before i diet back down to 175lb to compete at nationals
RustyhookerYou'd kill it in that class. If they stick to a real judging criteria. You're looking big enough to do well in middleweight or even light heavies of regular npc.
You are a wise man. Keep posting
thanks brother. bodybuilding pharmacology is interesting to me and i like sharing ideas and thoughts on different subjects pertaining to the darker side of my sport. its intriguing.
I'm going into pharmacology myself so I get where you're coming from . Most people's problems can be easily fixed by dieting down first as you said . Myself and my close friends don't get all these sides people talk about . Only results
Only relevant issue is your timescales. Same drug, one needs a longer run.
I'd be careful stacking compounds upon your return from surgery. Take things slowly.
bigmurphI agree my first cycle won't be till around August at earliest I still have to build my strength back up to where I was and then put on the base I would want before I would run anything
RustyhookerIf you're "healing up" then why would you run a faster ester? It depends on the injuries bro. What happened and where you are. Thats key info
bigmurphI won't be taking this for a long time im hoping I can get back to where I was by july then I will start thinking about when I can run a cycle still have alot of healing and strength to get back
RustyhookerExcellent! Just didnt want to see you sidelined again. I like the steady long grow of eq but someday I'll run the cyp.
bigmurphI appreciate it brother I don't know what i would do if something of this magnitude happened again. Its been rough watching my right arm go back 3yrs at least that's what it looks like
Just make sure that you find a good source for bold cyp. It has a reputation for pip.
bigmurphI found one that has come highly recommended by members
Bold Cyp...12-14 wks
Bold Und...20 wks
bigmurphIm thinking the bold cyp is the way to go so I can run for 14wks and still get more out of the boldenone rather than running the undeclynate and waiting almost 3wks for it to start its magic. But on the other side it will taper down slower at the end of my cycle and will help while waiting for me to start my pct sinve I will be running a tbol kicker
answered your own question. bold cyp has become popular for various reasons that you listed. EQ is such a long ester, 16 week runs are a minimum typically and people often run 20. on top of that it is very difficut to recover from. if your on TRT, the recovery aspect doesnt play as important of a role, but if not EQ will take quite some time to clear your system and can make pct and a full recovery more difficult.
otherwise i think they are very similar, slow and steady gains. good for the appetite, etc.
bigmurphSo you're for the cyp ester over the undeclynate