+ 2 Newbie here. Need help with checking out my plan for 1 cycle and PCT.
Hey! I'm a 26yo guy. Newbie in these things and sorry for my english, not my mother language. I'm starting my first cycle soon with test E. At the moment I have bought the ena, arimidex and clomid. Oh yeah, and I also have Dbol, but wasn't planning to use it on this cycle. For this cycle I planned like this:
Weeks 1-12
- 500mg/ena
- 1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg).
How does this sound so far? And for the PCT:
Week 13:
- 1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every day (0.25mg).
- 100mg of clomid every day
Weeks 14-15:
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
- 50mg of clomid every day
Also 320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day during all cycle and PCT, for possible hair loss.
This is what I decided at first. But now when I read, many people say Nolvadex is better than Arimidex? And some say Aromasin and some say this and some say that. I get so mixed up of all the million ways people write how things should be done. Just when I think one way is good, some other guy write that is a shit way. 
So what should I do? Should I order also the Nolvadex? Someone write in one forum that he takes for PCT every day 0,25mg Arimidex, 100mg Clomid and 20mg Nolvadex. And that is the best PCT he has ever been on. What do you guys think? At first I planned doing my first cycle like written on here: http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/test1.htm
but then my friend told me don't do clomid on the cycle, do it only on PCT. And also after reading on internet, I read better not use clomid on cycle? Anyway I am all ears and will appreciate you're help a lot! Thank you! 
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So you're a vegan and not willing to put a piece of steak in your mouth but you're willing to put chemicals in your body to get larger. Maybe you should consider eating animal protein before resorting to gear.
This could get interesting.
I'm sitting back and watching......
The irony.....
Food food and more food. I know it must be more difficult being a vegan. Have you ever considered not being a vegan? I'm sure burgers and pizza would suit you better at your current weight.
Regardless of what you choose to eat right now, I'd put the gear aside for now, use the time to learn more about gear so when it eventually comes time questions like the one above won't be a question ;)
Good luck, you seem more on the sensible side compared to some of the newbs we get joining.
If i can help at all in the future, hit me up.
Youre my height, i believe 183cm is 6ft, but you only weigh 167lbs. You do not need steroids, you need to learn how to eat and train and be patient. Thats it. Steroids do not fix a non exsistent diet, or shitty training program. Nor do they work very well at all on people with no muscle base or foundation built. Forget the gear for atleast a year or two and build yourself up to 190lbs or so. If you do cycle and actualy put on some lean muscle and not just water you will lose it all before your 4 week pct is over. your tiny at 167lbs, your body is not used to carrying muscle so if you put on a decent amount of size in that short peroid of time your body will do all it can to drop it and return to homeostasis, back to normal 167lbs or less if your test productioon is ruined and you cant even support that litttle amount of muscle anymore. I was stuck at that exact fucking weight naturally for a long time, all it took was a pretty dramatic increase in calories and I was back to gaining again. So learn the basics first, diet, training, recovery etc, build up a good natural base and if youre still not happy think about running a cycle. But at 6ft 167 you have no business using gear. Find a 4000 calorie bulking diet, good training program, give up partying, get your sleep every night off the week and youll be on your way to a solid physique.
Hey dude! Thanks for the info. If people want to know my life story. Here it comes.
As I said I was 80-82kg (176-180lbs just a month ago) and I weight that for maybe half a year. I was in Thailand a few weeks ago with a low budget so lost some weight there cuz of that. And I'm vegan, so not so easy to find all the food I need in Thailand. I usually have been eating around 3100 to 3700 kcal. I have been 85kg (187lbs) at my best a few times, before the half year. I have just been not training and doing my shit good for some time now. Because the lack of motivation, when I never got the result what I wanted and didn't go over the 85kg (ok I might have been 86kg or something at the most, but generally not over 85). And of course life has brought it's own different difficulties along to training (going vegan last year etc). Yes I have been training all the time, but just not as hard and as much for a half a year as possible, because a lot of school and work. I get easily to 85kg (187lbs), when I train seriously a few months, but over that has always been hard for me. That's why I want to try test e. I had given up hope already a bit, and just tried to maintain the 80-85kg (176lbs-187lbs) I have had mostly. When a friend talked to me about steroids, I never have thought before that I would use it and no one have told me about it before. Had no clue. He had used something before, and made me see test in a different light, than before. At the moment back in my home, I eat 3200kcal, and going to 3600-3700kcal day by day. Of course if you say, I can go even more than that. And I thought I have to anyway, when I start the test e. People say have to eat 2000kcal more than normal? Is that how it is? But maybe not clever to do it over night. And I'm not starting the cycle yet, as I wrote I'm planning to do it soon. Anyway for other commenters, you don't need to be rude. I'm new to these things, so that's why I come here to ask about stuff more specifically. I bet you have been in same shoes in some point of your life. Ain't we all. I'm not hiding anything, I have written everything straight.
Thank you for the mature response, we dont get alot of those around here when we dont tell the origainal poster exactly what he wants to hear, aka, cycle looks good start it now.
I hear ya bro, life is a bitch sometimes and really gets in the fucking way. First off if you typically eat 3700 calories per day to gain on cycle you dont need to automaticaly eat 2000 more calories then normal. I believe a 1000 calorie surplus over what it takes for you to maintain is a good number, but it needs to be adjusted each week or two as you grow bigger, now enough about the steroid talk.
You seem like you kinda lost interest in lifting and eating for a while now. I know you think using steroids will give you a ton of motivation and it probably will, but as soon as the cycles over and youre no longer building muscle at a crazy rate that motivation is going to slowly drop, little by little each week, from missing one workout, and not eating enogh one day, to missing two days, then the diet goes completely out the window, and the gains are gone. Ive seen it time and time again.
Wth that being said theres this beautiful thing called muscle memory, if you once built yourself up to 185lbs, getting back there will be incredibly easy naturally, with just a good diet and good training program. SImple, been there myself to many times after injuries, rugby seasons, sicknesses etc. When i played rugby id play around 185lbs and over the season and them running us to hell and back for 2 hours a day, not muscle preserving cardio, catabolic cardio, there wasnt enough food in the world to let me maintain my weight or strength. And I would always drop down to 170 or so and lose a ton of strength during/after the season. but 6-8 weeks after it ended training my ass off and stuffing my face I was back up to 185 and moving the same amount of weight around in the gym again. So I would suggest taking some time to get back up to 185lbs naturally with a good diet and training regime, maybe try and push past that, add another 5lbs and get yourself up to 190. Just make sure you with it for the long run, not a quick fix and then gonna stop lifting. These hormomes can really fuck you up, so the only logical reason to mess with them is if youre going to continue to lift seriously. If not theres no reason to risk the potential very ugly long and short term side effects of the drugs. And not to mention using them to early like at your current weight when you have been 20lbs heavier, muscle memory weight is incredibly easy to get back, you dont wanna waste it on that, you want to use the gear to push you past that size.
And ya sorry about being a dick, we have a unwritten rule about weigh to height ration around here, if you X amount of pounds at X height some of us have the tendenacy to not be so polite, as most of the time the OPs are not as level headed as you and are big time dick heads that cry the moment they dont hear exactly what they want. I would offfer my help with a diet, but i honeslty have never ever put together a vegan bodybuilding diet, but im sure google and "4000 vegan bodybuilding diet" will help you find something solid with 6-8 meals a day and alot of protein. Good luck bro.
Perfect. Food alone will give him the results he is looking for without all the negatives that running a cycle will do to him.
Great response to the anorexic, too bad he will skip right over it and only respond to the guys giving him poor advice. Poor advice meaning ANY cycle advice at all. The guy needs to train and fkn eat not do aas.
BUT you might get an answer like "im a hard gainer" or "I am already eating 50,000 calories a day" or any other lie to get a cosign.
hey bro . you get advice from robxl and i dont think so i have same experience as him . but when i read your post , its clearly you did hard homework and this is good , but i prefer if you use aro during the cycle and 2 weeks off after last pin , Adex some people they dont know how to use it in and they crash their estro , ad this is first cycle for you and you dont know how is your body will react to adex and the water retention.
the pct as he explained for you bellow ,.
there is a nice post here the name of it ( ARE YOU READY TO USE AAS )
and this question for you . how long you have been training ? what is your diet look a like ? your body fat ?
i meant this post
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/are-you-truly-re...
Was there something wrong with the pct and ai advice I gave him?
no sir , of course not ,
So close friend we actually have a newbie thinker on eroids fucking amazing.
The test is perfect Monday 250 mg Thursday 250mg keeps things steady. The ai you hear different approaches from everyone. Some say start it at a low dose right out of the gate like .25 e3d some say wait till week 4 (with long ester like enanthate) some will say don't use it at all unless estro aides arise... imo al is acceptable.
Pct is a no go man you don't want to start pct 1 week after a long ester cycle. You need to make sure the exogenous hormone is out completely 2 to three weeks after start the pct and yes you should be using clomid AND Nolvadex laid out like
Clomid/nolva
Week 1-2
100/40
Week 3-4
50/20
Everyday.
Get blood work done before you start somewhere in the middle and after pct. It's important!!!! Good luck friend
Hey! Thanks for the advice! Will do it like that. One more thing. What do you think about adding Dbol for kick starter for the cycle? Only for the 3 first weeks less or more? And 20mg a day less or more? Just thinking about it, cuz want good results and wondering will only the ena be enough to help me achieve them? Now I have read many do Dbol for a kick start. Is it good for my first cycle? Or should I try it next time? Oh and forgot, I'm 183cm (72 inch) and weight 76kg (167lb). Was 80kg, but a recent trip to Thailand made me lose some weight!
Also there I bought most of my stuff... Only the ena I ordered from Ashop. I hope it's good and legit stuff!
6ft and 167lbs tells me you've built little or no base naturally. Guys at your stage that run gear generally struggle to hold onto their gains afterwards.
How long have you been training?
What is your BF%?
What's your diet like?
Shit I should have read that whole comment I looked on his profile he is thin!
You guys need to watch for these, they represent a big chunk of the proposed cycles. As time goes on, s bigger and bigger percentage it seems.
His profile showed a different weight that's why I went ahead and gave the advice. Half the time peoplw don't post stats so I automatically go to the profile to see their stats. This was a mistake on my part, I apologize for that.
We all miss stuff mate. No big deal.
Dude still needs to edit the source name out tho. I see he hasn't done this yet
Definitely a bigger percentage now and in the coming months, remember, the summer cutters are upon us. The guys who dont lift 9 months out of the year, try and run some crazy cycle leading up to summer to get ripped, and then stop working out right after and party their asses off all summer. And then 9 months later do it again.
I think that sort of steroid use represents a big percentage now. I said this the other day to Vike, I think my views are becoming largely redundant simply because building a base / hard graft etc are rapidly becoming swear words.
You're 100% right and my bad too. Need to remember to check the stats. Thanks for pointing it out.
First edit out the source talk not allowed in forums and do it fast before a mod gets on here.
Second don't use the dbol this time around use the test 10 to 12 weeks run your pct for a month take time off your time off should look like this
On cycle time+pct time= time off so if you do 12 weeks test that's 3 months plus the one month for pct thats 4 months and this is at very least the time off you wanna take.
If that goes good next cycle try to Kickstart using the dbol. First cycle should always be test only trust me if you're eating right training right etc you'll explode.
Good and spot on advise +1
Thanks brother.. I'm learning I'm learning lol