Dbol kickstart for Test E cycle? Waste of time without?
Hi!
I have read about this from multiple sites. But get very mixed up in the end, what should I do. Roughly half say Dbol is good for a kickstart for the first time and half say stick with only the E for the first cycle.
What is you opinion? For a first cycle, should you use Dbol for a kickstart?
My cycle could look like this:
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500mg Test E every week for 1-12 weeks
Arimidex every 3rd day -
If yes to Dbol, then for the first 4 weeks everyday 20mg.
PCT:
Nolvadex and Clomid everyday.
If not to take Dbol, is it a waste of time the first 4 weeks, if the Test E has not kicked in yet? Should you take advantage of the time, and not waste it? Take everything out from everyday as much as you can? And be the best version of yourself sooner and while you still are alive. We only live once, at least with this body.
Thank you for you time. Appreciate it.
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The longer ester test is NOT a waste. If you're impatient then yes, your antsy behavior will get the best of you. Test e results start 4 weeks after first injection. These are noticeable results. For a first cycle it is pretty much protocol to run test e or c alone to see how your body reacts. Then gradually build with the kickers. Don't push through the crowd your first cycle out. Take your time and learn from a single compound and graduate from there.
Hello. First I apologize if I am intruding. I have some questions for you pertaining to your post. It has been around 30 years from my first cycle and I am considering starting up again. A lot has changed. A lot. I have read different options for the first cycle. I find it interesting on how no one seems to agree, dbol, orals, no orals, hell, which way is up?
If you dont mind, .....
why Test E versus Test C?
When do you start the Armidex?
molva, clomid? What is what?
I thought Nolvadex and Clomid 2 weeks after the last shot. What quantities?
Also: Various suppliers offer materials from different countries. Are there areas/regions of the world that I should avoid? Middle East?
regards
Use the search tool upper left corner of the page...all your ?s can b answered there...
U will need to research the source pages and come up with your own decision on whom or if to proceed from there....doing your own research is more valuable then advise from unknown individuals over the web..
Enjoy the learning....
Forget the dbol for a first cycle, figure out how you react to one compound at a time
This paragraph concerns me. Waste of time? as in you wont be giving it 100% cause the test has not yet peaked? Gear or no gear, you should take 100% advantage of every minute in the gym,kitchen and resting. Im concerned with your train of thought.
bigmurph+1 its true gear or no gear its 100% or you're wasting your time
bigmurphYeah im going to agree that dbol is a great oral but not with your first cycle. You want to take from your first cycle the knowledge of how your body reacts to the test and by adding other compounds you're not going to be able to learn that especially because dbol turns into estro at high amounts. Stick with the test and enjoy and learn from the experience. A test cycle will get you plunty of gains also enjoy.
If you are properly dieting the first four weeks of test e will not be a waste. Secondly if you never took gear then you don't know if you need aromasin yet, its good to have on hand but you may not need it as everyone responds differently to test. I wouldn't take it until Needed. Also first cycle with only test will give you a good idea of what only test will do for you, when you take multiple substances its hard to pinpoint what caused the gains
Ok thanks for the info bro! But how can I know, when I need to take it or not? I mean the aromasin (arimidex)? Nipples start to tickle? Is there some other signs? I really don't want to be NOT taking it, when I should. And u think Nolvadex is good for PCT? Or Arimidex? People have so many opinions on that also
Aromasin and arimidex are similar but they are different compounds. adex is not a pct persay. Youll notice yourself putting on water or getting gyno but my point is if you start taking adex from day one you may crash your estro before the test kicks in and ruin your cycle. Also molva + clomid is recommended pct. Hit the forums for more info before you stick a needle in yourself man. You need more research. No offense at all we all had to learn but Id rather see you learn by research than trial and error like most of us did
That closing paragraph sounds to me like another way of saying YOLO. We aren't big fans of that mentality here.
In answer to your question, dbol is not a good addition to a first cycle because of its propensity to aromatise at a very high rate. That makes controlling estrogen harder so it's not recommended for a first run.
Ok thanks bro!
Well ofc I want to live as long as I can also. And I try to be healthy as possible. That's why I try to ask around first. But just thought, If it's a waste of time the 4 weeks, many people say it is. But yeah. Maybe good to take your time with these and see how I react to the E first and for the next cycle add Dbol.
I will most certainly take your advice strongly.
Thank you again.