-1 Maximizing Fat Loss wile running Test/Mast/Tren
Hi all! Newbie to the forums but I've got a little experience with the sauce...judging by all the other threads I've read on this site, I will fill you on my previous cycles and stats right after I ask my main question:
How do I MAXIMIZE fat loss while running a test/mast/Tren cycle? I have worked in the fitness industry for my entire adult life (7 years) so I know this largely depends on diet. I'm currently 6 weeks on a ketogenic diet, I plan to stick with it through my cycle unless someone can offer a good reason not to.
Stats before juice
6'6" 225 lbs 17% BF
Current Stats
6'6" 238 lbs 14% BF
Previous Cylces:
1st cycle ever was 600mg Test E/Tren A/week 10 weeks
Next was 500mg Test/week + 800mg (little high I found out) Tren E/week
Next was 500mg Test E/week + 600mg EQ/week
Pretty much repeated some variant of those for another 2 cycles....and I've been off for 6 months now.
What My Training Regimen looks like:
2 workouts/ day (6 weeks of this/Just started 2/day workouts)
Compound Movements in the AM/ Isolated Movements in the PM
Sun - Chest & Tri
Mon - Back & Bi
Tues - OFF
We'd - Bouldah Shouldahz
Thurs - OFF
Fri - Core
Sat - Legs
I do 4 sets/8 reps 3122 Tempo currently (change every 6 weeks)
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Keto is a horrible choice for Tren. Tren is a carb hound and you will feel and look crap if you are in ketosis and running Tren. You are right though it all comes down to diet and training to set your energy balance to burn fat and maintain muscle. I agree with Makwa and Rusty you need to do more cardio (personally I find faded steady state cardio like power walking for 45mins 3/4 times per week very effective but you can do whatever form of cardio you like) and increase your volume of your workouts.
I agree with the value of power walking. I walk for an hour wearing a 50 lb weighted vest and it is amazingly effective at increasing stamina and definition while preserving mass.
Could you elaborate a little on what you mean by teen being a carb house? If you in Ketosis, your body burns fat for fuel 98% of the time, so how could ketosis make you look bad?
Dackey is correct keto diet and tren wouldn't go together well I have tried both never together but with tren I found I have to up my carb intake or I feel horrible and the more I eat on tren the leaner I look tren however kills my appitite so it's hard to eat more just have to force feed
For me and in my experience Tren loves carbs. I have looked and felt my best cutting on Tren with moderate to high carbs and low fat. I have tried doing ultra low carbs and moderate to high fat on Tren and looked and felt terrible. I beleive it has to do with how Tren is super effective at portioning nutrients so it puts you in an anabolic state such that significant amounts of glycogen (from the carbs) are shunted into the muscles. This coupled with sufficient protein and resistance training should see you bulking nicely if bulking or cutting fat and maintaining muscle while cutting (plus hardening up of course). Without sufficient carbs this isn't possible and you look flat (from the glycogen depletion) plus feel bad (for the same reason). I should say though that too much high GI or sugary carbs bring on some of the bad sides from Tren for me (sweats and insomnia mainly) so it is important to find the right balance. I am of course speaking from my personal experience and you may be different. Others will chime in here too and share their views.
I appreciated it, this is interesting as I've never heard of it, but it raises another question: Should I continue Keto and cut to the desired BF % before starting my cycle, and at that point do a higher carb diet? The reason for Keto is because, unassisted, it is the single most effecting fat melting diet I have found. I'm 6 weeks in and down 9.8 lbs of fat.
It all depends on what your goals are. My view is that aas cycles are best used to add mass and that cutting to low levels of body fat and retaining as much muscle as possible is best done without aas. This becomes completely diet and training dependant. So if you can cut or BF down to the desired level and maintain muscle mass then I would do this and then use a cycle to add quality and significant amounts of mass. If this is the route you go then I would question Tren as the best and safest choice for this goal. Clearly of your doing a comp prep (I don't by the way so I am no expert) then Tren has a definite place - others are more qualified to comment here.
All that said I have used it for cutting and bulking and will probably use it again. I'm just becoming more selective and cautious and considered with this one.
Keto and tren, 2 things I have never done. Normally though when maximizing fat loss it boils down to diet, cardio and training. I don't see any cardio in there so I would get going on that right away. As far as workouts go when cutting I implement higher rep sets with lots of supersetting and drop sets, with minimal rest periods (30 sec) to burn up the glycogen reserves. Higher rep sets I'm talking 15 - 25 reps and sometimes up to 50. keto or not, that is how I would approach it.
Yea I've always believed that way as well. Have you heard of Charles poliquin? He has lots of good sh*t on his website, he changed my opinion on rep ranges. He says that 6-8 reps, performed at the proper tempo (3122), is more effective at building size, not necessarily strength, but size. I don't really know for myself yet but that is what sparked the above routine. Thanks for sharing broskie!!
I have read alot of Poliquin's stuff and incorporate alot of it into my training. When cutting though you really can't expect to put on a lot of size, you can still do hypertrophy training but the main goal is to shred fat so I get into the higher rep ranges again to really feel the burn and deplete the muscles.
RustyhookerId bet you'd add tremendous mass just by your workout doubling in volume. 4 x 8 is strength. Bump that to 8 sets of 12-15 with drops to fail.
Keto on tren for me was all bad news. Flattened out. I'll let the tren guys fill you in but I'd up that workout a TON if you're going for mass.
Mass...if you want 20 pounds bigger, skip tren and just bulk. Adjust your foods with workout.
Check out my reply to Makwa and let me know what you think
RustyhookerFor me, your gym routine is not going to add mass at all. On that workout I was staying between 195-202 year around and pressing double my bodyweight. I switched back to volume and with ONLY food and gym I added 10 pounds. No gear at all.
Strength is hella fun but you gotta pick your goals. If its strength, then just modify foods for lean or bulky. If bumping in mass towards 260 then you gotta hit volume.
8 sets to 12-15 is going to be 20 to 30 mins per exercise if your keeping rest to around 60-90 secs between sets. That would make it near impossible to fit in more than 2 or 3 exercises in an hour...I do 2 hour sessions per day....what would you recommend?
I could care less about strength I've just been doing 8 reps at a 3122 tempo = More than 60 secs of time under tension per set which is optimal for hypertrophy...so I've read and experienced with clients anyways. But strength is no concern of mine, I just want to have enough mass to look big at 6'6" and sub 10% BF. I'd like to be sitting at or around 260 at sub 10% BF but that's a log way off
Rustyhooker30 seconds...45 max between lifts. If you cant hit 15, drop and try for 15 without the break. Drop sets. That short rest will make you lift less but you'll be pumped to max and dragging outta the gym.
Everyone reacts differently but it is for positive that if you dont shock the system, it will not grow. Study Schwarzenegger.
Suggestion on how long to run this cycle? It will be low dosage, I'll be shooting 200 mg EOD (blend Test/Tren/Mast -- Cut Stack from a trusted lab on this site) Unfortunately, it did not give the ratio, but I am assuming 75 mg Test, 75 mg Tren, 50 mg Mast, but I could be wrong.
Don't assume anything. I've seen some mixes with pretty rediculous breakdowns so find out for sure what you have.
Definitely will broskie, you cool if I Pm you when I get the vials? I let you know the doses and you can tell me what you think
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Rustyhooker200 eod is a ridiculous amount of gear. Check your bottle. What you posted then erased was more than enough.
You know...the forum you erased.....
225 mg of Test P/ week is too high? 200 EOD is total, of the blend I described, and if your just going to keep giving me shit and not offer any help like your exp would suggest that you can do, then just let me know and I'll quit asking. Only reason I joined this site was so that I could ask for help from people like you
RustyhookerListen up kiddie. 200 eod is a goddam gram a week! Short esters DO NOT HAVE A WEEKLY TOTAL!
And I answered your question fully. The effing pist you DELETED because you got caught lying had the perfect doses listed.
Step off and check YOUR info brophy
No! It is 600mg one week and 800mg the next.
RustyhookerAnd then its magically delicious!
There's no weekly value for prop. And if you paid attention, the op has 3 completely different written priors. The forum he ERASED had yet another completely different set of priors. Check with darth if you got questions.
So the op is confused/lying. That doesn't change the fact that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
RustyhookerThen post up. You got the whining done. Give him his tren cycle. Do you even lift bro?
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No I don't lift bro
RustyhookerFunny right. Just post a cycle up top for this guy. You got the talk down so parrot up.
I mean hell, 3 forums with all mismatched info. Im sure somewhere he's honestly like 19...
He needs to figure out what he is gonna do with his diet first. He's seems pretty set on keto, and set on running the tren. If so he will learn that it wasn't a good idea and maybe he can learn from it? Maybe he is lying about his age, who knows. You claim to be 15% bf but your latest picture clearly shows to be 20% - 25%.
15% according to my last weigh in Friday, done by calipers so there is always a margin of error.
I am pretty dead set on doing Keto because I have a lot of experience with it and there is a ton of people who believe it sucks with gear, and a ton who think it's awesome, so there's really only one way for me to find out. I'm sure everyone who hates it hate it because they tried it specifically for their cycle, whereas I'll be on Keto for roughly 10 weeks before starting my cycle. I'll deff post my outcome: stats, before & after pic, etc
I wasn't questioning your body fat, I was making the point that Rusty is a liar. Look at his pic and look at his stats. I couldn't imagine tren and keto together. I don’t typically crave carbs but when I ran tren I couldn't get enough carbs. It was so bad that it changed my eating habits for the worse, months after I stopped using tren.
Gotcha, yea I've seen both ends of the spectrum man, so idk, we'll see, I'll be prepared to switch to more of a carb cycling style diet of things take a turn for the worse
I'm glad you said something, I'm here because I don't know as much as you guys! So you agree that 200 mg EOD is the equivalence of 600 mg/week? Because I'm pretty good at math and 200 x 3 = 600, obviously on weeks that have 4 days it would be more, but I'm not crazy for tracking my weekly total of mg right? I mean I understand they aren't in my system the whole week, but I still consumed 600 mg that week.
I've also read that a compound like Test P would be a little more potent than Test E in that Test P would be (paraphrasing here so please no one shit a brick and call me a liar) a slightly higher amount of test % per mg? Is this true?
Yes your math is correct man. And Test P does have more available hormone per mg, I don't memorize shit like that but a google search will show you how much more.
Omg man facepalm you are seriously going to take this bag of ass holes advice over rusty's really? Get off eroids man forreal you're going to cause yourself a world of hurt with this cycle you'll learn the hard way, then you'll be on here suckin his ass cause he was right and your fucked up mentaly and physically! This is a fucking shame... you shouldn't touch testosterone let alone anything else.
Lmao dude, I may not be an expert, but this is a pretty safe cycle, low dosages. And I've asked for rusty's input several times in this thread and he has done nothing but give me shit about a typo in this original post (which I fixed).
I would love to hear what he actually thinks
You say safe dose of tren with certainty... this is the harshest drug on the market dude... masteron is fairly mild test prop is well test prop but tren is not a joke by any means. Any 19 nor is not a joke by any means. Now that being said I misread your dosage I thought you were saying 200 mg of just tren eod...
No problem broskie. I've run teen Ace and Enathate in the past, I did a dose to high. I'm looking at running 75mg EOD this go around
I'm a bag of assholes because I point out that Rusty is wrong? Grow up fanboy
No you're a bag of ass holes because you're a bag of ass holes.... sound legit?
No, it doesn't fanboy.
Pussy needs to own up to that -1
I'm not a fan boy I've had rusty get all in my shit a few times and argued with him back and forth I even got banned for a week over a dispute he was part of. That doesn't mean I think he was wrong... in fact he was absolutely right because I did exactly what he said I shouldn't do and guess what I crashed and fucking burned for months on end.... dude knows what he is talking about!!
RustyhookerNot worth the headaches bro. They'll always toss rocks. Its called trolling.
Besides, water is going to post a tren cycle up top. Then the retread is happy
I hear yah rusty!
I don't get you man, I've done nothing but try to be respectful to you but whatever at least that is a tid bit of info I can use.
Why don't short esters equate to a weekly total? If this has been explained elsewhere I apologize but I didn't know this.
Depending on what short ester you are using they typically have a half life of no more than 3 days..... that's the prop ester acetate is shorter if I'm not mistaken.... chime in on that if I'm wrong Rusty??
RustyhookerNo knowing that answer screams out to not do it.
As far as not getting me, your answer for the questions I clearly posted in the forum that you deleted.
I don't get you because I apologized and proceeded to take down the post that you didn't like, trying to make everyone happy. I made a mistake, everyone does, but I did what I could to fix it.
If you want, I would greatly appreciate your recommendation on dose and length of cycle....again.
There's lots of things I don't know, I'm definitely new to this.
You've given two versions of your cycle history from what I can see. The one above in your post, then the one here that includes tren ace. That's what Rusty is referring to.
You've also detailed things like 30lb gains on cycle, whilst you appear to have run at least give cycles and your stats are slightly heavier than before you started with a slightly lower BF.
You just need to clarify to these guys as your information doesn't add up.