-1 The Never Ending Cycle
Ok so I am planning my first 'cycle' but have a few questions. My diet is on point and so is my training, I have no health issues.
I am planning on doing a blast and cruise for life because I really don't see the point in putting my body though PCT over and over at my age. With enough cycles my boys will shut down anyway, so why delay the inevitable? My reasons why PCT seems a waste of time for me personally:
- I never want kids
- I don't want to get married or have a girlfriend
- I don't care about losing my hair
- I don't want the emotional rollercoaster involved with PCT
- I don't care about being on TRT for life
- I won't stop using steroid steroids once I start (unless the first cycle has terrible emotional/physical effects for me, then I will just submit, PCT and stay natty)
So why not blast and cruise? Anyone else here who does blast and cruise who can give me some advice?
Also puberty gave me slight gyno, so I presume my odds for increased gyno on steroids as an adult are high? I read the chance of gyno on 500mg test is negligible?
My plan was:
Blast 500mg test e for 12 weeks
Cruise 150-250mg test e for 6 weeks or longer (duration and dosage depends on my bloodwork and what I stabilise at)
Rinse and repeat.
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No offense taken, I agree I do not have a healthy mindset. I just find life rather dull unless I am doing something extreme, I can't pinpoint why but that is just how I am and how I have always been. As my progress in the gym slows I am frustrated and just want to ramp things up again, for the rush of it all. My noob gains are long gone and things have been slow this year, but in just a few months I could gain an entire lifetime of muscle gain if I juice. I suppose I just want to keep riding the great feeling speeding towards my goals gives.
The time I am happiest in life has been when I have been making the most gym progress, I don't know why, just for some reason it makes me happy in every aspect of my life when I do. The carry over enriches every other part of my life, which was why I became so dedicated. If I stagnate in the gym, I become unhappy and that again carries over to all other aspects of my life.
There are probably some deep psychological reasons why, but I can't pinpoint why. I often ask myself why I am lifting heavy things for no reason. It makes no sense. All I know if I love it.
6'3 176#?? No offense, but that's a pencil. Your "noob" gains are nowhere near gone. You need to eat big. That's why you've stalled. You can work out till hell freezes over. If you don't eat you don't gain. NO, a few mo of juice is not going to provide anyone a lifetime of gains. And, the juice isn't going to do anything if you don't eat. If you don't learn to eat off cycle, then you can bet big that you won't eat on cycle. Steroids are not a ticket to instant hugeness. For your own sake, you really need to consider doing some real research before you permanently damage yourself. Not having kids is only one issue with your plan. There are many worse side effects that can have lifetime ramifications.
bigmurphAt 28 you don't see putting your body through pct your crazy. You have a long life ahead if you were in your 40+ maybe but not at 28
I was under the impression PCT was damaging to your health? If this is the case then wouldn't it make more sense to cruise at a safe TRT dose? If I PCT until 40 that would mean 12 years of PCT... and only to end up on trt anyway eventually?
I don't see the advantage personally. I hope you can elaborate as prehaps I am misunderstanding the benefit of PCT as opposed to TRT other than the inconvenience of pinning.
bigmurphI would also recommend that if you are going to trt you should be doctor supervised so if problems do come about they can be handled professionally
SeriousOpenfkne...Bro you know how fucking dumb most doctors actually are?
Seriously a degree means shit all. I've met people who have docs tell them to inject sub q shout 250 mg of test weekly. Like wtf dumb.
Docs give fat depressed dudes trt. Then the fat dude get acne and even uglier than before cause his doc dumb. Then dude takes gun n blast his brain out.
You fucks put too much trust in doctors. You really think they give fuck bout you. Or know fuck all about hormones. I'd love to talk to a doc about hormones I'd make him feel stupid and shut his pants while he go home n hug that degree so he can feel secure. Doctors are not always the answer.
Doctor it does not mean intelligent.
Learn to read and we can all be Doctor
Shit I'm a doctor a scientist. A God and just basically a real ass nigga. All from reading. Knowledge be that power. Woof woof
bigmurphI don't disagree that alot of docs are dumb but with a doc he has acess to pharma products and if problems arrise he can get meds written to solve those problems instead of waiting for them to clear customs for 2-3 wks. Its better to have someone with a dea# and those pieces of paper that allow you to get the products you need fast
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bigmurphAll compounds no matter what are damaging in some way. Pct and cycling damage your health so does trt anything you put in your body will have some sides to it. Trt from your age your going to be facing heart problems risk of stroke goes up and a whole list of other things. I can't say that on and off is better health wise than trt because they are both bad but in my belief on and off would be the lesser of two evils. You say that you will end up on trt anyways ive used injectable test since I was very young and don't plan on being on trt atleast till im in my mid to late 40s you just can't over do it. It sounds like you plan on running gear all the time. Come on and come off use once a year maybe twice. No need to go overboard I understand you have goals but hard work will get you there and a little juice. Not hard work and a ton of juice eventually you will burn out your receptors and it won't help you like you want it to anyways
Thanks for the good response, those are definitely points for me to consider.
One of the other appeals of TRT as opposed to PCT was that I read PCT can cause extreme mood/energy fluctuations. So I was hoping using TRT instead would prehaps negate those issue also. I wouldn't want the PCT to interfere with my personal or work life which was the other reason I was leaning towards TRT.
Do you have any advice on this too?
go read up in the PCT section hun. Look for post that discuss the use of aromasin in addition to clomid and nolvadex ...
consider that if you start on trt too young you are going to run into other more complicated issues as you get OLD ...
mood fluctuations and energy issues can occur when you are blasting so just because you are on cycle doesnt mean you are exempt from having these issues. exogenous testosterone isn't all that it is cracked up to be and if you follow some of the older guys or guys who have been on trt for sometime they will tell you that even with trt they don't feel quite 'right' and that it isn't the same as you producing your own testosterone
This shit right here Kodiak! I was running and deca test cycle kept the deca at half the test was using caber the works and turned into an emotional roller coaster as well as my appetite falling off and slow but sure energy decrease. This can happen at any moment from the smallest factor or change in your body.
Troll.
Complete nonsense. Trolling, or kneejerk reacting to something that has happened to you personally. You will not/should not receive any validation for this decision here. Nonsensical trolling IMO.
Netier, I have been considering blast and cruise for about this for a year for the reasons I initially outlined.
I bid you luck in your journey then Jedi.
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And just when you think the madness has abated.....I hope this is a joke!!!!
Srry but my madness is 100% authentic
Blast and cruise taboo around here unless your old and already on trt ...rethink your approach starting with eating a shit ton of food and training your ass off then come back and get some beginner cycle advice
How come it is taboo? Is it health reasons or people just being concerned they may change their mind and want to come off?
Health reasons
Your stats say your 6-3 and 80kgs (that's 176lbs for anyone trying to translate). You shouldn't even be considering gear if that's the base you've built.
That's one of the strangest things I've read. Not sure if this is a joke or if you've got some major psychological issues here. Sounds very lonely to me.
I'm not even going to start on the TRT....
I think you are getting ahead of yourself. Run a standard Test only cycle, do a proper PCT, then make the choice to cycle or blast. I speak from personal experience here, it gets really fucking old jabbing a needle in your body twice a week. I've been on self prescribed TRT for over 2 years. I'm preparing to come off and I can't wait! Blast and cruise looks great on paper but you are choosing to shut down a perfectly good endocrine system for no good reason. If you do decide to B&C you need to cruise longer than you blast to give your body a break.
Thanks for the info. Perhaps you are right about giving it a go and then doing PCT first, I will give it some thought. Is it common to be able to be able to recover from PCT after 2 years? I read a story about one guy who managed it after 10! However I was unsure if he was just a statistical anomaly
I don't have high hopes for myself. I've got a forum I started in the TRT section go read it to get all my info. It sounds great at first just stay on and don't lose any gains, but then real life sets in. You are shutting down your endocrine system and your body will fight back. You need to let your body return to normal and let all systems function as designed. Even if my levels come back shitty after my pct, I'm still gonna stay off for a while before I go back to my TRT dose.
Why are we entertaining any type of blast or trt? This guy is a complete moron that has not put any real effort or sensibility to what he needs to do naturally.
I wouldn't reccomend any type of aas for this character until realizes and performs what needs to be done in the kitchen and the gym.
Hopefully other twigs will see how foolish this is and rethink their approach.
The guy is gonna do what he is gonna do. I'm trying to show him that B&C isn't as glamorous as it looks. Sure he's misguided and got some preconceived notions about pct, that's why I'm trying to educate him.
I agree.
TronAt 28 these things don't matter. At 38 they start to matter. Then the decision you made at 28 will haunt you forever. Reconsider man...please. Think about this. One day you meet a woman. You weren't looking for a girlfriend but this woman becomes everything to you. You fall in love. A few years down the road you marry her. You get older and with age comes wisdom and sense of responsibility. You will want to have children with this woman and she will want children. .All the muscles in the world cannot be nearly as satisfying as having a family and raising a child with the woman you love. When you are 70 you're child will have children. They will be your grandchildren and when you are old enough to be in a state where you can no longer do things as much on your own these children and grand children will be the ones taking care of you because they are of your seed and they love you unconditionally. Don't sacrifice eternal happiness for vanity.
Thanks for the genuine reply you sound like a good guy irl.
These are things I have considered though. If I was to have a child I would adopt anyway, there are so many children without homes. Also I would not want to pass my genetics onto a child, considering my family's history with regards to health/genetics etc, I would be quite content with the bloodline ending. I also really dislike children, I just can't stand them, I find them disgusting and irritating.
As for falling in love, I would never rule it out, but it would certainly be an unconventional relationship, considering I don't want to live with anyone else or spend gratuitous amounts of time with them.
TronWell, if you already made up your mind...why did you ask the question?
Use your power of free will to do as you wish. I told you why you shouldn't. But that's my opinion and I'm dumb. So I wouldn't listen to me either. Good luck on your journey.
I haven't made up my mind hence why I asked. All though it was nice to hear your perspective, I however stated in my initial post family etc are not a concern for me.
What is holding me back from deciding blast and cruise is its risks in terms of long term health and strength progress. Both of which I have been unable to find information on.
I can see why you're single and alone. Thank you for not reproducing.
As opposed to yourself who attempts to insult people on online forums for no reason? I wonder who is the more compassionate person IRL? Perhaps you should spend less time obsessing over women and more time trying to better yourself as a person, instead of immaturely lashing out at strangers for no reason.
Not that it should matter, but I have had two opportunities for a relationship in the past year, both of which I turned down.
Obsessing over women? Lol, ya you caught me.
I see your future with your attitude....still skinny and now with fried balls.
You boy!
Attempting to try and insult random people on a forum for no reason just makes you look a fool. As doing so is not productive and only serves an emotional need for yourself, so what is the emotional need you are trying to fill guitarplayer1? Or do you not think more deeply than 'monkey smash'?
no offense intended Tron, but when did you grow up ??? ;-)
TronYou kidding me!? I'm never growing up! That's when life becomes no fun anymore lol
He'll be back to posting comedy gifs and taking the piss in no time ;)
TronDid you mean talking the piss or taking a piss.. right now i'm taking a piss as I post this gif so if that was the case you were right about that to.
oh thank god ... i thought the world was coming to an end ;-)
You dont want to get married or have a girlfriend? You dont like sex? Regurally? With someone who knows how you like it? Are you gay? serious question?
slow the fuck down, you havent even ran one cycle and your talking about starting your first one with the intentions of blasting and cruising for the rest of your life. Youre not 28, your 18. bottom line. You dont care about being on trt, give it a few years and youll care and youll hate it.
So you want to take a perfectly heathtly HPTA, you probably dont even know what that means, that runs on its own and requires nothing and make it need exogenous testosterone to function. Seems logical.
Reading your post it sounds like it was made emotionally, not rational thinking. Did you just go though a breakup or some other tramatic event?
your 6 foot 3, and weigh 176 pounds, get the fuck out of here with "My diet is on point and so is my training"
if your diet and training where on point youd be sitting around 230 at 6'3, not 60lbs lighter, im right around 6ft and i remember what I looked like at 175, like I hardly even lifted. you got a little over 3 inches on me, you look like a skeleton. Im so sick of hearing that phrase, everyone says it, while nobodys actually telling the truth becuase youre height and weight tell the real story.
This whole post is so fucked, I dont even know why i just wasted my time on some 18 year old or extremely immature 28 year old. Back to the drawing board for you.
So basically you want to live your life alone with no wife, no kids, no family, bald, sterile, sexless, on trt, and the only thing you have going for you is your steroids and liftiing, id say muscles/physique but youre gonna get nowhere until you learn how to eat and train, steroids dont fix that shit bro. Take it from someone who was once where you were in a sense, no gf, all the gear in the world, just trained ate and slept, its fucking lonely bro, most of my time spent just researchng gear, training methods, nutrition, thats pretty much it. Now Im about to get married, buy a house, start a family one day, and hey i still have all the gear in the world. You can have both.
You dont want to get married or have a girlfriend? You dont like sex? Regurally? With someone who knows how you like it? Are you gay? serious question?
I just enjoy being single, is there something bad about that? I have been in 2 long term relationships and know what it is all about. OFC I enjoy sex but that doesn't mean I need a girlfriend. I primarily enjoy being alone, just because I do not have the same needs as you does not make that a negative.
You dont care about being on trt, give it a few years and youll care and youll hate it.
If it is helping me reach my goals then I don't care how unpleasant it is. I would trade just about anything to reach where I want to be.
Did you just go though a breakup or some other tramatic event?
No
your 6 foot 3, and weigh 176 pounds, get the fuck out of here with "My diet is on point and so is my training"
if your diet and training where on point youd be sitting around 230 at 6'3, not 60lbs lighter, im right around 6ft and i remember what I looked like at 175, like I hardly even lifted. you got a little over 3 inches on me, you look like a skeleton. Im so sick of hearing that phrase, everyone says it, while nobodys actually telling the truth becuase youre height and weight tell the real story.
You make such assumptions without knowing my personal circumstances. You don't know how long I have been training, my bf %, bone thickness, test levels, genetics or anything else.
Also in what world do you think someone in their late 20s can gain over 50lbs of pure muscle naturally? 30lb of muscle over a LIFETIME is achievable for most natural lifters.
I know I have plenty more gains to make naturally but why bother wasting time? Also regardless of your opinion I could sit on my ass all day and still get big with roids (not that I ever would) http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/anabolic-steroids-muscle-gr... so routine/diet only become a limiting factor when reaching the upper thresholds of what the drug dosage can provide. So in a way it is not relevant to my decision to blast and cruise which was what I came here for advice on.
My routine is: https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-intermediate-stre...
My diet is:
Diet Bulk: 3250cal
Minimum: 120g protein
Minimum: 50g fat
Fibre: 80g minimum
rest of macros whatever I want
Diet Cut: 2000 to 2300cal
Min: 180g Protein
Minimum: 50g fat
Fibre: 80g minimum
rest of macros whatever I want
No refined sugar, no saturated fat, no processed foods
How is that not on point?
Also incase you critacise my protein intake please read: http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-... note the referenced studies
It's not on point because 3250 calories for a bulk for a man who is 6'3 and weighing to blast is laughable.
Those cals are highly suited for a 13 year old girl though
Thats how many calories I needed to gain when i first started lifting at 125lbs lol
Those calories result in me gaining 1lb a week... why would getting fat for no reason be helpful?
You weigh 176lbs...so how many weeks have you been gaining a lb a week?
I am cutting currently, sitting at about 13% 80kg, I bulked for 8 weeks. Strength went up slightly but it was pretty slow.
When I cut this time last year to 10%, I was around 73kg... so based on that I have probably gained 3kg lean mass in a year
You have an uncanny grasp of how the syntax works here on Eroids for a brand new member. I'm sure you're not a formerly banned member... I'm sure that's not the case here.