Winstrol and Test Cyp cycle
Hello Ladies, newbie to the site here!
I guess I should give you some back round before I ask my questions. I am 27 5'6 and I am 190 pounds (cut down over the years from 400+). I have been competing in power lifting for going on 3 years. I utilize AAS for strength and cutting purposes. I have done several cycles with Anavar, halo, and T-bol (love me some t-bol), but now as suggested by my FEMALE strength and nutrition coach, I am making the leap into winstrol and test. Right now she wants me taking 20mg of winnie (orally split up twice daily) and I am on 75 mg of test cyp split up every 3 days. I will be switching to test prop as soon as it comes in, but cyp was all i had available. I have been on this cycle for going on 2 weeks. I know that the test has not kicked in yet, but the winnie I am getting pretty bad water retention from. I am probably going to cut my dose down to 10mg daily...but I wanted to hear some of your suggestions. I am ok with some of the side effects, as I only use it for parts of my meet cycles. My muscles feel harder, I am getting that pump, but the water retention is throwing me through a loop! I usually constantly stay around 185-195 no matter what I am on, but in 2 weeks of winstrol I have shot up to over 200:( My diet is very clean (Whole30 right now) and my macros are on point as well as my water intake. Any ladies out there with some winstrol and test stories? Thanks ladies!
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So, I have decided to drop the test. I can not handle the constant weight gain and water retention. I feel like a puffer fish. I have decided to run primo. My coach recommended 25 mg every 5 days. Does this seem like a decent dosage? Besides HORRIBLE water retention, I did not have any side effects on the test so far.
try a shorter ester next time you have more control over it and even try sustanon.. i react much better to sust than i do to cyp or enanthate esters.....
also i forget your stats but i think you are bigger like me and that dose is not going to do much for you at all..
either use the tabs and run 50-75mg ed or pin enanthate at 100-200mg a week ... you will want to be very careful with the enanthate as one of the sides here is thinning hair and over all hair loss coupled with body hair growth
Question for you! I dropped the cyp and did not take my scheduled injection yesterday. Primo enethate is ordered. But...I know cyp is a longer ester but how long do you think it will be until the water retention from it starts to subside? It's killing me for sure! Can't fit into my belt, have gone up 2 inches because of the horendous bloat...just uncomfertable in every aspect and makes it horrible for lifting. Just wondered if you had any idea of maybe something to do to get some of the water off a bit quicker? I am great at cutting water for meats, but not neccessarily to keep it off
unfortunately we all react a bit differently to compounds and will respond at different rates ..... let me ask you this ... are you by any chance restricting salts?
I am keeping an eye on sodium to an extent. I eat clean and stick to a certain macro number. But, before I started this cycle I fluctuated, but I never jumped up 5 pounds! And now I have done EVERYTHING so far to try to drop this extra water retention but it is not going anywhere. I tried cutting carbs a bit to drop it...nothing. Tried doing just protein...nothing. Tried the water cut diet I use for powerlifting...nothing! I am just hoping that in a week or two's time it will subside and I can see my actual body again:( I have never been this strict on my diet or training, and to have not one thing change meausurement or scale wise is really throwing me for a loop for sure!
well,.. if it is caused by the cyp it will be a week or two before it starts to budge ... you have access to any ai's?
Yeah, I sit at around 185-190 on the average but this damn cyp has me sitting at 206 in 2.5 weeks!!! I know its straight water..but damn! So, would you suggest running the tabs or enanthate? I am ok with either as I know that the tabs are less toxic on the liver as well. Maybe start out with 100mg pin twice a week?
the ace is ok but generally speaking it was not meant to be injected and to make it pip free they usually add ethyloleate, which i wont inject anymore, but for some people they don't know don't mind or dont care .. that said if you are pinning the ace i would pin no less than every other day possibly every day
What about the other? I am not a fan of pip...but if it's all I can get then i will deal.
i ve had good luck with no pip from the enanthate with the exception of a few tries several years ago ..
Well, I will go with that then. Going to order Friday, hopefully will get it in rather soon since my meet is in april;/
thats the other thing about primo ... takes a while for you to really feel it ... why hasn't your coach recommended more traditional strength builders? stictly for powerlifting i never bother with the 'fluffy' compounds
I have no idea, she only suggest test prop or cyp whichever I could get my hands on, winny, or masteron. I ordered prop...but wanted to get started with the cyp since I had it available. So far, I have responded very well on winny. My strength is holding and increasing a bit....but the cyp has made me bloat like a water buffalo so I am very happy to drop that. But I had it suggested by another coach I use to have that primo would be better for keeping lean but not losing muscle mass. What would be your suggestion?
lean is ALL about diet .... if I am heading for a meet I m going in with deca/npp sustanon or test prop and or anavar , anadrol or dbol (but i don't like dbol and my hands get really puffy) ... I want strength increases and quite frankly I want a little bit of water (not a lot) i 've used winny once for about 4 weeks and I d rather eat dirt and train natty than use it again ...
I have no reacted bad to the winny so far. The test cyp on the other hand, is making me swell EVERYWHERE....and I wouldn't mind a little bit of water retention for strength but almost 10 pounds and climbing. My diet is clean and I am eating per my goals, but I can not mentally wake up every day and be up weight and look worse and worse. I figure, I can keep playing around individually with compounds with each meet. But for now I think winny and primo are my go to for this meet. Maybe test prop and something else next go around? What are your go to's for meet prep? I am trying to drop a bit of weight to make it into a lower weight class(going for a world record).
my go to's for comp prep are deca or npp sustanon and var stack i have no hope of dropping into a lower weight class at 230 and being close to a wr is really something ;-) i sit and look at the numbers every so often and then get back to work ;-)
I compete in the 90kg weight class, but I usually sit pretty close to being able to drop the the next weight class and with where my dead lift is, I believe I can break the record. But NOT with gaining a ton or water retention. I guess we shall see! I have a love for tbol but like you, after running it so many times my body doesn't react to it anymore.:( So have to go on. Anavar is hard for me, I have a ton of it but I am not sure its really var as the couple of times I ran it, it gave me a tiny bit of bloat, as i see is probably regular.
good luck with it and keep us updated with your progress ;-)
I will for sure! Hoping for some good progress. Thank you for all of your help. I will keep this thread updated as I go:)
what would be a suitable dosage for a women for an AI? I am pretty positive it isn't dbol as my fiancé is taking the exact same kind and he is dried out and vascular and his joints are hurting. My joints have for sure dried out as well but I have never jumped up in weight that much. I am guessing maybe it's possibly the test then? My goal is to KEEP my strength and possibly increase it while leaning out. I am doing cardio 5 days a week, 2 of which are HIIT sessions. Just throwing me through a loop I guess lol.
You'll have to play around to find your sweet spot. I take 6.25 mg of aromasin (quartered from a 25mg tab). I first began taking it with every other shot on prop, but found I was a bit too low and it just wasn't necessary.
Keep in mind too that your shots need to be consistent... make sure you're pinning correctly for prop (frequency AND amount of injection sites) Consistency is the name of the game.
Thank you! Right now I am only using cyp at 50 mg every 3 days. I have been doing it almost 2 weeks and so far so good. I don't really know if I want to switch to prop as this is my first injectable and I don't know how I feel pinning every other day
What maeve said ... Winnie absolutely should NOT have you retaining water.. if you told me it was Var, i have seen that before but not winnie. The way winstrol works is that it pulls estrogen out of the joints and that is why you get that drier look AND for most people super sore joints ....
I have found that using aromasin will take care of water weight from running compounds that aromatize however, honestly the water weight doesnt bother or affect me a whole lot .. to me it is extra strength to take advantage of ...
Id seriously consider ditching the "winstrol" mostly because I d say that it isn't winstrol ...
from what i can make from reading so far i think you are right................ i think it may be D/bol....... its happened before and certainly will happen again.
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Welcome! I've run win in both oral and injectable for pre contest, up to 75 mg per day. If your diet has remained the same, the only thing I can think of is that the increase in weight is water. The strange part is that win doesn't aromatize so it will not convert to estrogen- increases in estrogen will cause your body to retain water (think of "that time of the month") Winstrol really gives those lean, dry gains if your diet is in check. Now.. I have run test prop before at some decent doses and it causes me to retain a shit ton of water.. Test DOES aromatize, thus converting to estrogen. As you introduce test, your estrogen levels will increase. The key to introducing test and keeping your estrogen low is having an aromatose inhibitor (ai) which stops the process of converting test to estrogen. Have one on hand to use throughout your cycle (some women take it regularly, I only take it when I feel it's needed) not solely for water retention, but for the other sides as well.. I know I become a crying, cranky, ornery little thing when my estrogen gets too high.
Sorry for spelling errors, I'm typing as I sit in traffic
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