+ 2 test e, tren e, mast e, proviron
Ok guys some of you know me as I've been here for 2 years now and I'm looking for a wee bit of tips and or ideas for this cycle I plan to start soon.
Test e 250 a week
Tren e 350 a week
Mast e 400 a week
Proviron 50mg a day
Total length 12 weeks
Been natty since March except for creatine no protein powder bcaa's nothing, food creatine and lifting and I have been making great strides and feeling phenomenal. Just found out the wife and I are expecting our 2nd kid (pretty excited!) Since that is coming she will need my help so I'll get this cycle out the way and work is slow and the cool weather is here so it just makes sense.
Gonna keep things low with this run and try the higher tren than test as I read and see guys have lesser sides from it. I know everyone says roll with the ace but there is no way I can lin everyday and I truly believe I can handle it and if not I'll just cut it dry plan and simple. I have everything I need on hand as far as a i's and prolactin and progesterone control and the provi to take advantage of the low test dose. Still have a little reading and some details to work out but any tips would or criticism will be accounted for
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300 SavageDrop the provirion and just keep the mast E..Those 2 together will turn your hair into rice noodles..If you have really good mast E.. you can drop weekly does to 300..
GnarkillLmao I searched this up at 9 months so you should be having your kid anytime if not already congrats
Big HomieSorry just looked again your not running the test and then that high. With you mast at 400 and your prov at 50mg you may crash you estrogen. I could be wrong tho I'm sure one of the vets will come threw and add to it.
RustyhookerAgree on estro crash. Might look at mast down at test level if provi is used. The tren will bind tighter and test leftover.
On short ester run I ran no provi and mast equal to tren. Its the tren doing the main work. Megat883 has the blood test lined out for accurrate tren run bloodwork.
Yeah I was gonna take the mast and provi combo and what it could do as far as estrogen crash had it happen before and it wasn't fun. I'm still a about 2 weeks away before I make a final decision on what's what. That's why I'm here to gather a bit of info and hammer out some details
looking at your low dose test i would run the combo @200mg mast pr wk with 25mg provi ED
i never exceed 300/50 when running a gram of test....... if i went with 2 grams of test i would double the provi dose........ 3 grams of test would be 150mg provi.
you need to find the best combo dosage that suits you............ there is NO cookie cutter for this setup bro.
Appreciate the input uncle vike, taking all this into account as we speak
RustyhookerGold. ^^^^. That layout has helped me a ton.
Remember way back when i first brought this combo to the board?...........
Folks where like wtf is Vike talkin bout here!.............. as the years have ticked by hundreds of guys are running this combo and having superb cycles without Ai .... enjoying the Anabolic properties that Estrogen brings, but also having it nicely under control.
I know you have had multiple success,s using it because you had the patience to find and balance the correct dosage for specific goals.
RustyhookerYou didnt have to push hard to convince me. I ran no ai back in the day. Had to adjust doses or run non converting compounds. I came here and it was higher doses and toy with ai....gains slowed.
Glad you posted up real world options. Bloods and ai on hand as/if needed. Simpler. Scientific.
Big HomieThis is one of my fav cycle. My mg on each after different but everyone is different you have to go with what works for you. Good luck with it.
Firstly congratulations that your second is on the way.
Stats
Age: 34
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 218
BF: 12%
Are these up to date fella? Can you list your priors and experience running cycles? I take it from your post this will be your first Tren run? Do you have pre-cycle blood work? So what's the goal here? What will your diet look like and training to achieve that goal?
Sorry for all the questions. Hope I and others can help here.
Stats are recently updated but as noid said a while back I keep them slightly off but keep them close to what they actually are. Cycle experience includes a fair amount of compounds test,mast,npp, eq, anadrol,anavar, winny,halo, just to name a few. Haven't drawn bloods since June since the last run in march and will do before I decide to fire up on this one. Diet will consist of very lean meats (wild game) rabbit,venison,duck ,wild pig and fish I have enough packed away for at least 6 months of meals if need be. Lots of crucifouris veggies . Ultimate goal is to shed a little fat and get to 10% bf while adding 8-10 lbs muscle in the process
Cheers for all that I understand mow what your trying to do. I'm not a fan of recomping/lean bulking personally. I'm more of a bulk and cut guy. I also think for your goal you could achieve what you want to achieve by running something less complex (and harsh) than you're proposing but it seems you probably know that.
That said I have run almost this exact cycle on a cut and I had great success. The only difference is I ran my Tren e at 400mg ew. I did not use Proviron given I was running the mast and I didn't want to risk crashing my estrogen. I had run Tren A before at a lower dose and found I had less sides with the higher dose of Tren E. You clearly understand the risk of the length it will take the Tren to clear your system running the enanthate ester should you run into sides. Also good to hear you have DA on hand for prolactin sides. I would defo run this from day 1. Pull bloods weeks 5 and check prolactin levels and adjust your dose from there. Estro should be fine with the low Test dose and Mast in the mix bit of course worth checking when you pull bloods. However watch out for a false positive high estro reading that can result from the Tren depending on the methodology used by the lab. Last thing you want is to think you have high estro start an ai and crash it. Run a otc cycle support or just Saw Palmetto to cover you from prostate sides that can occur with Mast.
Good luck if you decide to go ahead. I still can't help but feel you could get the same/similar result using a simpler cycle. It's going to be mainly diet and then training that will influence outcome here. I personally think it's a bit overkill for a risk/reward perspective - in hindsight it was for me.
Stats please ,
Sorry I know your here 2 years and I appolagize. I'm guilty I gave advice without stats
No problem brother pege, I know the protocol it slipped my mind.
Ty I was writing a responce and realized id get flamed lol. But ty
I would for sure raise the test to 450-500 mg, try to always keep your test higher than tren
Like my brother said below bad idea ,tren and test go after the same receptor ,with teen always being the victor.,and test that can't bind will.convert....i always run a little above a cruise dose of prop ,when on tren
Wrong. Higher tren to test ratios have been shown to reduce the side effects associated with Tren.
Yeah everything I read on this just seems like the best way to get my feet wet. I normally experience very minimal sides with everything I run, I've never had a pimple one or excessive water bloat just name a few but I know tren is a different story.