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Food Plan For Cut Help

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Hey guys, what do you all think of this for my cut. I was coming off 5-6k calories but getting a bit sloppy while growing. My current cut looks exactly this this:

40 mins fasted cardio heart rate 110-120
50 grams whey protein right after cardio

meal 1 - 50p 75c 15f
(30 mins after cardio)
50 grams whey protein
1 thomas whole wheat bagel
1 apple rice cake
2 T natty pb
1 apple
4g fiber

meal 2 - 50p 50c 15f
(2 hours later)
6oz 88/12 ground beef
200g white jasmine rice
1 T bbq

pre workout meal
meal 3 - 50p 50c 15f
(2 hours later)
60z 88/12 ground beef
200g white jasmine rice
1 T bbq

during my workout I drink 1 powered to stay full 35g carbs all sugar. my reasoning behind this is I can tell I go flat if I don't add carbs and I also want a steady release of insulin to prevent cortisol from ruining my muscle. I would probably be burning fat without this but I think it's more important to not lose gains than to burn some extra body fat and have a flat workout

meal 4 - 50p 50c 15f
(2 hours later)
50g whey protein
1 thomas whole wheat bagel
1 apple rice cake
2 T natty pb or 1 T EVO
4g fiber

meal 5 - 50p 50c 15f
(2 hours later)
50g whey protein
1 thomas whole wheat bagel
1 apple rice cake
2 T natty pb or 1 T EVO
4g fiber

meal 6 - 50p 50c 15f
(2 hours later)
50g whey protein
1 thomas whole wheat bagel
1 apple rice cake
2 T natty pb or 1 T EVO
4g fiber

I started this cut 3 days ago and weighed 218 in the morning. 3 days later I woke up this morning weighing 217.2. I keep my calories the exact same on off days. My daily totals are 400p 375c 90f over the 6 meals ..

My workout split looks like this:
chest
back
shoulders
off
quads
arms
hams
off

Am I doing this right brothers ..

Makwa's picture

I still don't think you are really taking what I suggested. I still think your best course of action would be to follow the cutting diet I had outlined. How you have morphed it into some kind of keto cycling diet I am not sure.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/your-fi...

Makwa's picture

The problem with aggressively cutting is that you end up sacrificing muscle with the fat and you end up plateauing right away making additional fat loss that much harder. Slow and steady is the best way to do it to preserve as much muscle as possible and prolong any plateauing. Cut to aggressively and you damage your metabolism which will now make it easier to gain fat when you go back to eating normally. I would expect fairly rapid weight loss in the beginning but I think you will be able to loose more fat and spare more muscle in the end by following a more traditional dieting approach.

Makwa's picture

If you are dropping more than 2lbs a week you are likely sacrificing muscle. That is why when cutting or prepping for a show I will project how many weeks I need to get down to my desired BF for the show and not try to lose more than 2-3 lbs/wk. I work way to hard on building this muscle that it is a shame to lose any of it, but expect to lose some when cutting. You just have to do it smart, to minimize the muscle loss. Aggressive cutting is going to lead to rapid fat loss AND rapid muscle loss. Not ideal.

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I would only do cardio on my off days (or at least very limited on my workout days) and then If I wasn't dropping weight accordingly I would add some cardio in on my workout days and then drop carbs if needed. Throw all your cardio in the ring at once and then you really have nothing left once you hit a plateau. Increase the cardio only as needed to keep weight loss consistent and going in the right direction.

Makwa's picture

I would keep the carbs as high is you can get away with. Just gives you more wiggle room to lower them when you hit a plateau. Start with as little as possible cardio also. Once again just gives you more wiggle room when you need to start increasing it. No clue about those peps, I have never used them.

Catalyst's picture

Most of your protein comes from whey powder.

Makwa's picture

Are you only dieting for 7 days and then going back to a maintenance diet? Or is this what you are going to do at the end of your cutting diet for a carb deplete and load phase? Or is this just a reboot for a cyclic bulking plan and then you are continuing on with a bulk? Kind of unclear on where this 7 day carb deplete phase is fitting in.

Makwa's picture

Never really tried dieting like that so I can't really comment on whether going into ketosis and carbing back up on a cyclic basis is going to be effective or not. Hopefully someone else can chime in on that. Sounds like a tough way to diet but you will know soon enough if it is going to work.

As far as using gatorade, I would scrap that idea since I believe gatorade is mostly fructose, if I am mistaken and it isn't then go ahead. Something with dextrose or maltodextrin mixed with some BCAA's would be better. As far as your carb amount intra workout, I would shoot for 30% of your LBM for the grams of carbs. Note that is the lean body mass and not your total weight.

Muffins's picture

I hope you don't eat the same things everyday. Get them carbs down, but easing into it is a good practice.

Makwa's picture

Basically you are starting your cut at 3900 cals. That is your baseline now and just keep track and follow the reductions in carbs I have outlined in the cutting diet. When your carbs are starting to get on the low end towards of the end of the diet you can start cutting some protein out, but I would try to stay around at least 300 grams, could drop the fats a little bit towards the end if needed but I would do that as a last resort.

Couple things really stand out when looking at the diet. Way to many shakes. Pound a whey shake immediately after workout and maybe another casein shake before bed and the rest of your protein should be coming from whole foods.

Minimize your carbs during breakfast. Breakfast should be high protein moderate fat with little carbs. You body is in an accelerated fat burning state due to fasting over night so keep it that way as long as possible and make your main fuel source your fat reserves instead of introducing carbs and then have the body utilize those instead of your fat reserves. Pound down some BCAA's right away in the morning and during cardio to prevent catabolism when doing your fasted cardio. The important thing to remember about carbs when cutting is you want to consume most of them centered around your training and mimize them the remainder of the day.

Also there is a better way to go about consuming your carbs around your workout. Below is a post I made about it in a different thread.

Nice topic for discussion. Nutrition and nutrient timing is so fascinating. You’re on the right track here. The key is when you consume the carbs in and around your workout. To begin with you want to have a high protein high carb meal 3 or so hours before your training session. These are the carbs that are going to replenish your glucose stores and refuel your workout. Now about a half hour before your workout you want to get a slug of quick digesting protein-this is a whole other topic on the reasons behind this- (whey shake) with zero to minimum carbs (10g or less carbs). I know you are asking why not carbs immediately before your workout, they are fuel after all. Your muscles are already primed with glucose from your earlier meal and consuming carbs immediately before (as well at the start of your workout) will blunt growth hormone release (which is obviously super anabolic and the more GH in our system the better). Consuming carbs immediately before your workout will spike insulin (which blocks GH release) and so minimize that insulin spike immediately before your workout to maximize GH release you want to minimize the carbs
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The point where you do want to consume carbs is about halfway through your workout. Carbs are great at blocking cortisol and cortisol levels are now spiking halfway through your workout so to help minimize cortisol at this time consume some high GI carbs. Timing is the name of the game here. By taking your carbs halfway through the workout you maximize GH and then help minimize cortisol by taking the carbs halfway through your workout. BCAA’s should be taken around the clock. Pre, intra, post workout and sipping them throughout the day. There is a lot more I could go on about here because it is just not timing of carb intake but also amounts of carbs taken pre, post and intra workout that separates the big dogs from the pups in the gym. Moral of the story, time your amounts of carbs appropriately and you will help to maximize gains.

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I don't get to hung up on making sure my macros and cals are split evenly among all my meals. By the end of the day I just want to make sure I have hit close to all of my projected totals. Some days I may be 30/50/20 P/C/F etc. it varies because I don't eat the same thing day in day out meal after meal other wise I would go crazy. Just try and hit your target macros and cals by the time you go to bed and don't fret if they are not exact.

Don't drink/eat any carbs before or at start of workout, drink BCAA's instead. Start your carbs midway through your workout.