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+ 1 teen pubertal Gynecomastia what would you do

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a friend of mine today, who knows what i do, approached me to ask advice about his son. he showed me pics and his son is 13 and is developing some pretty serious teen gyno that absolutely will need surgery to correct based on the pics and description. his doc basically has refused to even address the issue and his only response is, to let it go and later get surgery. his son is also dealing with really serious acne. he had blood work done and the poor kids estrogen is 62. I feel really bad for the kid. i gave no advice because he is a kid, only saying to find another doctor and this is the second doctor theyve been to. i wondered to myself what i would do if this happened to my son and i got the same response. its easily treatable and with no side effects and no negative health effects. i dont know why any doctor would allow it to get to this point and ignore it.

what would you do if it were your son? im not advocating in any way to use AAS or treat your son yourself, just wondering what others thoughts are simply. Im pretty sure i know what i would do. I wouldnt have let my sons get like this poor kids, he literally looks like he has small cone shaped A cup breasts and he is in constant pain from it.

Gh0st's picture

Gynecomastia is fairly common in male teens. I'm not sure what the kid looks like, his medical history, family history, how long it's been going on, what meds he's on, or what his labs look like. But I'm not surprised the doc just dismissed it. It usually disappears on its own in time. T and E2 levels in kids have different normals than adults. Basically, their hormones are all out of whack throughout adolescence. Which is a big reason they're a pain in the ass. And also why gynecomastia develops. I never once saw a kid treated during my rotations. Not to say they wont be treated. But it's definitely not standard of practice to do so at an initial visit with a primary doc. Certainly changes when you see a specialist.

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humpnpump's picture

He may have had soy milk when he was a baby which attaches to the estrogen receptors causing feminine characteristics. Even if he didn't use soy as a child, tell him to stay away from soy. Tell him to find a specialist and don't take matters into his own hands, cause if that got out he could have legal problems. A couple things that might help while he is waiting on medical advice would be ginseng helps hormonal balance and nettle root extract is somewhat of an aromatase inhibitor.

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alwaysmassive78's picture

I had one large lump removed at 18 the other side treated with nolvadex as flared up every few months. Obviously well before I started on the gear. It was due to abnormally high testosterone, and obviously converting to estrogen. I was muscular and strong but wore jumpers during the summer to hide my 'tits' until finally they just became too painful for me to do sports like running. I used to get asked at 15 what gym I went to when I had never trained. I wish I had had surgery earlier as scar would be smaller and that they had done both sides as when I get itchy nips during test run etc it's only on the un-operated side. If it was my son I'd say he's getting bullied etc and do they want to end up being responsible for any mental effects from that. If that didn't work, I'm in the UK and would go to Citizen's Advice (free service for legal help) and see if have a case for medical negligence. Obviously I would tell the doctor this before doing so, and see what his response was. I would NOT in any way try to treat them myself. No way would I be responsible for messing around with my child's endocrine system! Not sure what country you're from but threaten to report to medical board for malpractice. Also if it's through medical insurance surely delaying the issue may result in a much higher cost for the insurance company, so I'd lean on that. Oh and threaten to use social media, surprising how that can help. Feel for the kid cos I hated it. Mine wasn't quite so obvious as muscle was around it from press ups etc but having a six pack at 17 and tiny breasts wasn't a great look. Remember wearing vests with words on the chest to 'hide' it. Wishing him all the best

shawn0712's picture

This post bugs me. Because too many doctors ignore the big picture.
Kids are brutal. So I can't imagine what this boy is going through. 62 for estrogen isn't that high, but it is elevated. I'd bet anythjng that prolactin hasn't been evaluated.
I've recently done a ton of research on prolactin. Too often the medical community ( and even ourselves) ignore the consequences of low prolactin. A large portion of try patients could be prevented with proper prolactin evaluation. I've been too busy lately, but plan to do a write up on it.
Regardless of the cause, if it were my son, I don't think I could tolerate dome Doctor saying deal with it. If it were myself, I know I'd monitor bloods and do what I felt needed to be done in the interim. It gets sticky when an adolescent is involved. In my opinion, that makes the practitioners attitude about the situation even worse though.

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The kid is skinny and tall

chunkypbnj's picture

I had it when I was young. Only one side. Hard lump came and went. Very little gyno remains. If I were his father I would find a doc to remove the tits. Kids are brutal. Worst year of my childhood. Gotta be even worse for a skinny kid. If kid claims painful, insurance will cover no problem.

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The Impastable's picture

I second this. You just have to keep switching until you find an actual doctor with a fucking brain. Make sure you always let them know that you've already switched doctors because none of them are thinking out of the box etc.

mwagner630's picture

so do i, the worse part of all of it, this is the second doctor theyve seen. with pretty much the same attitude.

Dragon992's picture

This sort of BS is why I'm going into medicine. There are too many docs out there who don't care, run patient mills, have thousands of patients, and won't put any real effort in to solving a problem because clinically and legally, they have every right to say it's not a big issue, just wait and have a surgery when it's worse.

I' d bet the standard of care practices for this type of case indicate a risk associated with hormonal treatment, and the doc just doesn't want to take that risk (in order to significantly improve the kids quality of life) because he doesn't know enough about it and doesn't care to do the research.

Maybe the kid is just fat and lazy, but I'd also bet that it's because of the environment he was raised in, and if that is the case then the issues he's experiencing aren't his fault. And by now, exercise and healthy eating aren't going to fix the issue of glandular tissue growing in his chest.

I think aggressive lifestyle modification and a conservative hormonal treatment plan (after proof of weight loss and good eating habits) would be extremely effective... but verrrrry few docs are willing to invest the time and effort in that sort of approach because it costs them time, which means they see fewer patients, which means their paycheck is smaller.

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The kid is tall and skinny, and he plays a lot of sports. I know his dad well. They're very healthy people. He doesnt allow his kids soda, junk food or milk. They eat better than I do, and I only eat a whole foods diet. ,

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This just dumbfounded me. He should be getting hormonal or surgical treatment. It's such a shame and it actually makes me sad.

I feel very strongly about this problem and it underscores a lot of the issues with modern medical practice. Has he tried to see a specialist or sought an endo referral?