Body been aching from second cycle!
What's up bro's, I started my cycle 4 weeks ago of test e and deca along with some GT HGH. I got some test e 500 with deca 300 and since I started it feels like my body has been hit by a truck. Every glute injection has so much pip for at least a week and can't imagine injecting anywhere else. My body feels achy all the time but I notice a difference in the gym but I don't think I'm suppose to need to take advil every day just to feel better. I should have done it already but just chuck the shit I was given and start with some new gear that I received from great sources! The guys I'm working out with seem to be doing great but I think the shit I got just isn't sitting right with me. I'm going to throw out the bottles I'm on and see the difference with the new test and deca I have. There are glimpses of the good feeling you get when you are on test but nothing like my first test only cycle. I guess I tried to work through the pain but I don't think test flu continues for a month straight. Like I said the PIP is crazy and just got worse and I might as well be a glutton for punishment. Either way I'm chucking the shit I got and starting new this Monday! Just want to get your guys opinions or idea's. I mean this shit sucks! Also taking adex 1mg MWF and this is probably all my fault for not using my better judgment.
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Haven't had any of the Adex in what will be my 5th day. Most of the achiness has left and feel a heck of a lot better. Need to now find my sweet spot when it comes to this estrogen business. I know how important it is and want to thank all of you for the knowledge to help me with my situation or my f@$%ck up!
This is exactly why, I don't use high dose test. Does nothing but, a hassle. I'll just stick to my eod or ed pins and B fine.
I'm with ya
What do you expect when your running test dosed at 500mg/ml? Its gonna give you insane pip and test flu every time. That stuff is not meant for people one their second cycle, nor is deca. Ive ran more then a few cycles and i have a vial of sust 500 and sust 450 im scared to use. And why so much adex? 1mg mwf? The idea is to control estrogen not make it non exsistent. That will also make you feel like total shit but its not like test flu. on 500mgs of test i couldnt see many people needing anymore then .5mg eod. I personally would use .25mgs twice ew if that. If you crash your estrogen, you wont make gains. Wheres your gyno protection for the deca?
Spot on , only adding I use vitamin B6 when running Deca. I know standard protocol is prami or caber but works for me
running B6 doses high enough to control some prolactin in itself can be dangerous and do more harm than good. this is one of those things thats been floating around for a long time. I dont suggest using B6 to control prolactin. most of the people i have spoken to about B6 who have used it simply are really good at keeping their estrogen under control. elevated estrogen can cause significant prolactin issues. im not going to write a big giant write up on this. i would suggest you do some more research on it.it can cause heart palpitations and irregular heart beats and numbness.the cardiac dangers of running high B6 to control prolactin is dangerous in itself.
here are some fine points on B6 ran at high doses needed for prolactin control
kidney problems
elevated cholesterol
nerological and nerve damage
Extremely good point, should have added have to have estrogen under control. And don't use long term, can cause nerve damage etc which 'should' improve once supplementation stopped. I rarely get prolactin sides to any great degree, 200mg a day is a large enough dose
http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/vitamin-b6/dosing/hrb-20058788
Is a good right up. I usually take on onset of lactation and clears up within a week or so, and I stop use then.
Not one for copy and paste but "Avoid in doses higher than 200 milligrams daily, due to the risk of nerve pain and seizure".
Cheers bro for pointing out my post was 'lacking', that's not sarcasm either, last thing I want to be responsible for is causing harm to others.
Thanks to the both of you for the great information!
I used to do the same thing 200mg ed, worked pretty damn well, i dont need it for deca tho (knock on wood lol) only time I need prolactin control is on tren.
B6 you say, i got a B complex I'll up my dosage of
no specifically b6, its not nearly as potent as a rx dopamine agonist like cabergoline or pramipexole but it works in some who arent to senseitive to prolactin sides. 200mgs ed is the dose, any higher and you risk some pretty nasty permenant side effects.
Thanks irongame
I paid for regular test e 250 instead get test 500, guys like you should be happy, this is way more than what you paid for. My ass just wanted to get started so now I'm paying for it!
Yea, i was sacred as shit to run test 500 and now should be able to run anything. Guy marked that i should take 1mg MWF but should of listened to my better judgment. My fault for lightening to someone other than myself. I have aromasin also for gyno. I knew something was off with the amount i was taking. I fucked up
just cut down on the amount youre injecting dont pin 500mgs once a week or even 250mgs twice a week id split that into tiny eod shots. it will come out to just under 1/3 of a ml, shouldnt hurt to bad. and you dont need to drop the arimidex you just need to stop taking 3mgs ew. if theyre 1mg tabs break them in half and talke .5mgs twice a week. do this for a week or two so everything stabilizes and get bloods drawn and if your e2 is not to low then stick with it. if it is cut back.
Edit: based of what i read below ditch that stuff, get yourself some clean high quality gear thats 250-300mg/ml.
Thanks for the help and knowledge irongame.
Yea man, i will do just that. I have it in my hands and am going to pin tomorrow. I was like what the heck was going on with my body, i know about the PIP, but the aches just made me feel like shit. I was embarressed to post on here cause i know i fucked up somwhere. These are capsules so there a pain in the ass. I'll just stop for the week and see if the shitty achy feeling goes away. I know what the pip was from but this achy thing i just knew it was right under my nose
The aching could be adex related, especially if joints, but then Deca should counteract that to some degree. Having said that you're taking far too much, run .25mg twice a week. If test isn't 100% dosed correctly and 3mg adex a week, that isn't good. Test flu doesn't usually last more than a week. Test doesn't usually crash unless high concentration mg/ml (do you mean Test is 500mg/ml? Or just dosage?) can try heating. Where you inject is it hot to touch and swollen, do you have raised temp? Does it contain ethyl oleate as some people have an allergic reaction to that? Not to worry you but sounds a bit like when I had an infected abscess. Get down docs if you can should it continue to worry you, if I had done so early enough I would have been cleared up with antibiotics but I left it and had a hole drilled in my ass that had to be cleaned out daily and repacked with a seaweed based binding thing rammed in with a stick that works but is fucking a pain in the ass.
Thanks man, the test is 500Mg/ml. I knew i should have waited till i could get gear i could trust. I knew the adex wasn't right when i was reading about people taking very little of it ever other or 3rd day. My fault for just doing what i know is right!
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Cut it with gso..
After reading about Arimidex, I've found that too low of estrogen can cause joint pain. I've been taking 1mg MWF and I figure that is way too much. Also a lot of clicking coming from the joints. Soo I'll really cut back on my adex dosage and see what happens! Hope that helps
Yep...i missed that earlier...my bad dude...i should have asked what dose and freq u were takin of adex. If ur runnin nandro deca, u have a dopamine agonist on board, right? U gonna run hcg to help with hpta recovery? Lets see
..what else can i find...lol...bloodwork mid cycle in the plan with emphasis on prolactin, estro, CBC, CMP, IGF? You runnin test 15 weeks and deca 13?
Post cycle history and diet and PCT plan....
I would hold that adex dose for a week then start back .25e3d
What else u taking?
You didn't miss it brotha, i put it on after i saw i missed it in my question. Diet is good, plan on 12 weeks deca, 14 test. I think i over did it with the adex. Regular pct with nolv and clomid. I think i might switch over to some aromasin instead.
When u hold the adex dose for a week, u will know. Be careful with aro and use it safely too....
Thanks man
I take it with the half the deca 300 at 150 mg and half the test e 500. So its about 1 mg twice a week! My body hurts all the time. The PIP is out of control and the body aching all the time can't be right can it? Fucking sux bro. Suffer like this for 14 weeks, nah!
So, ur already cutting it? High dose gear gonna do that bro..u need to cut that test...
It's down to the last shot, plus it has some rubber stopper bits in it. I'm started taking adex at week three MTW. I can understand the serious PIP but I feel achy all day and all night like I'm sick with a fever but with just the achy part. I would expect a little more libido from the test but it's really nothing. Shit, come to think of it the test e 500 doesn't even have an expiration date on it, and it was cloudy! But my guys kept saying don't worry its fine bro, everyone is a bit different! I should of stuck to my better judgment and waited to get my own shit!
If its got stopper bits in u could filter it. But, i know how u feel. You need clean product u can work with...
I've had cloudy tren before and heated it up it cleared out but cloudy test..... I've never seen that before.
I was skeptical from the very beginning when I first go the bottle of test and deca. I should of stuck with my instincts and waited to get my own gear. I'm hoping this all stops but wanted to see if anybody else might of gone through feeling like your body just got hit by a train every morning! I mean I hope all cycles are not going to feel like this. Shit!
I usually feel that going in 2-3 weeks of my cycle but usually goes away but people are different. Some feel test flu some don't. IMO if gear is dirty don't use it.....it's not worth the chump change spent on it.
Yea, I should of tossed it early. Maybe that adex dosage is too high. I just don't like the way my whole body just aches. I know this ain't normal feeling while being on gear!