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Any Experience With Oral Tren?
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I'm on my second day of oral tren (500mcgs) a day, running with sustanon and masteron. I cut cut my carbs to almost zero. And protein to 200 gs a day. I was wondering if anyone has experienced oral tren sides on the first couple days. Night sweats, trensomnia, ext
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Crap version of injectable mtren. You guys in the U.S. Seem to think much more highly of it than we do in the UK.
Young guy like you could get better results from other compounds with less harsh side effects.
Jeremiah_jayz88Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't injectable m tren a version of superdrol? And yes I agree with you 100%
No mate. Structurally not a million miles away but the end result compound is way different.
Personally I'd say superdrol is a better drug than oral tren.
I dont think you should be messing with it yet based on your stats. But I'll say its definitely a strong steroids.
Jeremiah_jayz88Was he using liver suppTy or what?
I tried oral tren for one day, i tried 2 tabs ( 500 mcg ). It made me so angry that i lost Control and i did alot of shit i would never ever do normally. I just did it to try and i regret it fully!
Maybe it was just placebo or whatever however the fact is that i got so mad that i couldn't think straight.
On the other hand there is alot of liver toxicity and my friend ended up in the hospital, almost dead after 1 weeks use of oral tren, i highly recommend that you do NOT try this compound.
It is not worth it to any extent.
Please do not use this compound,
Good luck brother.
Tink22You most likely have issues in your mind bro. I have a friend who honestly thinks he has to yell and demean everyone when he's on steroids no....... You don't be your self. Control your self. Damn is it that hard?
Jeremiah_jayz88Have you got any experience the methyl tren mate? And how long of a break do you need to jump on more orals ex anadrol?
Jeremiah_jayz88How much was your friend using and was he heavy drinker? What happened to him?
No, he used 500 mcg a day from a high reputable source on eroids, same as me.
He doesn't drink at all as far as i know about it.
His liver failed on him but he managed to survive, he had to go through a surgery and he quit training, 1 year later he's lost 6 years of muscle, got fat too.
Tink22Where the fuck do these horror stories come from????????
I want to know the im and outs of these folks lives cause I just wonder why I'm alive and kicking if this shit is so dangerous.
I feeeeel good
Does he snort and bang pain pills in his free time also???? Born with shittiest liver in history wtf..
cant comment on OT since, one, i have no experience with it and two, you havent given enough information about yourself to warrent guidance. but!... tren is still tren and one of the great things about it is that it will stop lipogenesis. so load up on carbs and protein and lower the fats. carbs will keep you full, and strong but wont allow you to get fat if tren is in your blood. ive done both, low carb on inj tren and high carb on inj tren. i look much better and feel better with higher carbs. and i still had the same lypolysis effect from the tren regardless
Jeremiah_jayz88Thx brotha, I know i didn't put my stats and so on, I just wanna know if you have any experience? I know ot is 5x stronger than injectable, and as for the carbs..what would be better no carbs or high carbs to cut up?
5x stronger ect is irrelavent bro. sure 1mg will do alot compared to only 1mg of injectable tran ace. but those numbers dont really translate into real life. yes, OT is VERY strong potent stuff and can be very harsh on the body but just going off anabolic/androgenic ratios doesnt mean it will net you 5x the gains as tren acetate.
as far as cutting, from a philisophical stabdpoint macros dont matter. total calories do. as long as you are utilizing more calories/day than you are taking in you wil drop weight, period. calorie deficit = weightloss.
now, obviously we are bodybuilders and need adequate protein to rebuild and keep muscle while in a deficit. you will also be on AAS will further keep ypu anabolic without going catabolic while dieting. first calculate how many calories you will be consuming/day to cut. (most guys will burn around 17-18cals/day /lb of bw if active) drop this number down to 14-16 cals/ lb of bw to cut, keep protein at about 1g-1.2g/ lb of bw. and i like high carbs ~1.5g/lb of bw. sometimes higher if im on tren. then dont add ANY dietary fat and let all fats come from trace sources in meat and carbs, fishoil ect. remember fat is 9 cals/g and protein and carbs are only 4cals/g knowing this allows you to eat more food and keep your calories low if protein and carbs make up the majority of your diet. get a scale if you dont have one already and weigh out your food, best piece of advice i can give.
Jeremiah_jayz88Very helpful.. Thanks brother
your welcome man, if i have any regrets in this game it was not starting to weigh out my food sooner
PallMallwhy oral tren?
cycle history?
stats?
i almost just straight up answered you, but that'd be fucked up of me and not truly helpful to you...
I've used methyl tren in both its inject and oral form and both were VERY real, but i need to know more about you before i'm comfortable telling you about my experience with the stuff
please know that oral tren is very bad for your liver...and you only get 1 liver....
Exactly.
Jeremiah_jayz88Got my hands on it, heard a lot of things about it. More potent. Kicks in faster then tren acetate. What else do you want me to say mate? A lot of reasons
Unless you are prepping for a show or meet, it is totally unnecessary. It is a one trick pony for those purposes. It is not a compound for the recreational gym rat. Just two weeks of it will totally trash your lipids. Best used during peak week or a day or two before a meet since it can't be ran very long due to the toxicity.
He's going to run it cause it's burning a hole through his sock draw bro. He'll learn quick that there was no need to run something so harsh.
Jeremiah_jayz88Well I do compete for npc iron house competiton. I'm in off season right now and presumably I'm trying to stay as lean as possible while building mass in a short period of time. Oral tren is know for this. Please explain to me by what you mean "trashed lipids" mate.
meaning your cholesterol will be trashed. hdl down in the single digits, and ldl higher than 200... not to mention liver values. alt and ast both above 100 most likely
Jeremiah_jayz88So what happens then mate? Heart attack?
certainly raises the chance of CVD and cardiovascular issues.
Jeremiah_jayz88Alright will definitely be getting some of those products you mentioned mate
It will fk your liver up real quick.
Jeremiah_jayz88Yeah if your a heavy drinker, or a wanker who's on a shit ton of other drugs. I've done my research bro, I've got my ancillaries on hand, liver support (animal pack, b6,nac, and milk t, I even went the extra mile to get liv42.
NAC is the only thing in that stack that is worth its salt bro.. get some TUDCA for removal of bile. work up to a gram/day. nac and tudca for liver. fishoil, poliscanol, niacin, pysillium husks, and coq10 for cholesterol. i even add in red yeast rice too. but even those things most likely wont bring lipids back into range from something like OT.
Jeremiah_jayz88Yeah my bad I just want to know in general of how YOU felt on it.. Did you experience any sides on the first couple days? What liver support do you use?
GearofWarTUDCA
Jeremiah_jayz88How about nac, animal packs, milk thisle, b6
GearofWarYou won't need bullshit "animal packs" or any of the other stuff like it. I've recently researched the reasoning behind using TUDCA alone. Cliffs notes version: TUDCA treats/prevents choleostasis by activating the PXR/SXR nuclear receptor in hepatocytes, in turn activating bile acid metabolizing enzymes. Aka TUDCA will drastically enhance secretion of toxic bile acids that cause damage. None of the other "liver support" supps can boast that claim.
Jeremiah_jayz88Alright brotha, thanks for that. Will defineitly be picking some up off of amazon
GearofWarGood call. Liv52 used to be the gold standard here and I was guilty of thinking it did anything to protect your liver while "on". We all live and learn. The important part is the learning part
Jeremiah_jayz88Great perspective