posted Sun, 05/17/2015 - 08:13
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-2 First cycle failed due to bunk gear, now what?
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CENSORED Test E 275mg
Arimidex
Test E @ 550mg (distributed @ 275mg x2 times/week (Monday/Thursday)) 1-12 Weeks
Arimidex 0.25mg E3D 1-12 Weeks
PCT 14 days after
Week 14 - 18
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
I am on week 9 and I am certain that the test e is fake, close to no gains and I have been eating clean and at a surplus of my TDEE, very disappointing as I had to save up the money for the gear as well...
What is the precedure now? I will surely not use my PCT, as I have already wasted my AI and the nolva and clomid are both pharma so it would just be wasting more money...
Should I go ahead and purchase new gear, did any of you have problems like mine during their first cycle, I am heavily dissapointed in the lab...
Kind regards
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RustyhookerErase the name brands again before you lose more karma.
Stop your cycle and pct. You wasted your cycle by not being prepared.
These folks are giving u great advice and ur not accepting it. This is why young guys like u should be using aas and yes a lot of guys that are started when they were young but guess what if they are sterile or trt they won't admit it so u claiming that they didn't screw themselves up is the wrong mentallity to have ur very immature kid and if u don't want to accept the advice don't ask for help u obviously don't care about ur future.
Life lesson kid next time wait and listen to people who give u the right advice and training for 2yrs and u being 18 means u still have a lot to learn and grow before considering aas be safe and smart cut the crap and accept what these guys are telling u
CarlFitHow am I not accepting it, I just have a different mindset. I know I am inmature, maybe I have not fully developed yet. I am not saying you are right, but I believe I can get away with running the test e cycle.
U believe u can get away with test e??? Bro u haven't had any blood work!!! Bro at ur age u have a lot of natty potential pray to god u recover.
TronThat is how you are not taking out advice.
CarlFitSo what will the difference be if I run it now, when I am 22 or when I am 25, I dont know a lot about the HTPA and endocrine system. What is the worst that could happen running the test e cycle?
Also if my test was bunk, what was inside it?
RustyhookerErrors in cycle. Too young! Didn't prepare.
You got pct? Post your pct.
CarlFitMy pct plan was the following
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
I have TAMOXIFEN (PHARMA GRADE) and ANFARM HELLAS CLOMID in hand...
I will be takin bloods this week...
Age: 18
SMH!!
Hopefully it is bunk gear so he isn't screwing himself up for life.
CarlFitI have been training for 2 years, I have read the problems that comes with using AAS at a younger age, and I know a lot of people close to my age who have used them safely without any short and long term side effects. I know I will get a lot of flac about starting gear at such a young age and I know most of you will not support it, however it is a decision I took already as I believe I have already (in my opinion) acquired good nutrition and training.
Also my goal is to become a pro, but most of you probably will not care seeing by the hate I am getting already. I know I am making a long-term commitment in terms of the risks to my HPTA, etc...
I have also heard, that is almost impossible to screw up such a simple cycle such as Test E...
I am currently 86Kg at 5ft 11in with about 10-12% bodyfat.
Bench is 265lbs for 5 reps
Squat is 315 lbs for 6 reps
Deadlift is 465 lbs for 1 rep (with belt)
OHP is lagging a bit at 175 lbs for 5 reps
There is no way you have reached your natty potential at only 18 yrs old and training for only two years. Once you have reached your full natural potential only then should you consider AAS. You are short changing your long terms gains and goals right now by starting AAS so early when they are clearly not needed yet.
Tronyou know the risks but still want to do it anyways?
CarlFitThere have been a lot of pros who have started when they were teens and had no damage to their endocrine systems etc...
When did you personally start if I may ask?
Tronwhen I was 21.. didn't do pct because I didn't know anything about it because I was an idiot an did no research.. didn't know why I felt like shit all the time and when I would try to stop the test I would go into depression ... lose weight rapidly.. zero sex drive..feel weak.. so I would get back on after like a month.. this went on for a couple years and caused me to get trt for the rest of my life... no kids for me.. and pinning myself once a week sucks.. it get's damn old quick. and it's just not the same as natural test bro.. you feel ok but you just.. well, I can't explain it don't feel "yourself". I'm not saying it's not a good treatment because I feel better on it than off but that's my own fault by screwing myself up at a young age. and maybe their are pro's that haven't had any damage.. OR maybe they don't know they have or just don't share that info with anyone.. all I'm saying if there are risks why do it? you right now have so much growing to do! ... man, just train and eat right until your 25 and you will look awesome bro.. and hit that first cycle then and you will not only become a beast but you will be so damn proud of yourself and I promise you ... take this advice from a 36 year old.. 25 is a blink away and when you get there you will look back at yourself when you were 18 and say to yourself "what was I thinking?? I'm so glad I took the advice from those guys on eroids" most aas sites don't give a shit about people or their health.. this one does. It's not that we are being mean to you it's that we are looking out for your best interest and we don't even know you. I think that says a lot... You can take our advice or you can find a different forum that doesn't care about your health.. Best wishes bro.
CarlFitThanks for the reply man, but I do know about pct tho, maybe I am a bit more prepared than you were, but back then you probably did not have the internet and all the sources that we currently have.
I really want to delay it as much as possible, but think about a second, I have no chance to compete if I stay natty, and if I wait till I am 25 chances of me finding a sponsor or ever being successful are probably 0. I don't know if these names tell you anything but for instance, Jeff Seid, Tim Gabel or Matt Ogus have all been on AAS since they were 18 with now a successful career, with good genetics, nutrition and training as well.
The more I delay AAS, the slimmer the chances are for me, maybe I will wait till I am 20 to do my next cycle, but 25 is 7 years from here, and the competition increases day by day.
Maybe I am also a bit inmature now, but I have done my research as well, and if you ask me I think I will only grow 5-15 lbs of muscle in 5 years of hard work while I could achieve that in one single cycle.
Thank you for your advice, but I think I have already made up my mind, and really thanks for caring about my health, on other forums it clearly hows they did not care, but maybe you could help me by telling me how to do the cycle safer than telling me not to do it because I really am determined to do it.
One thing I can not get are bloodwork, do you know anywhere in the EU where I could get these, or should I simply ask my doctor, will they do it without a reason?
Regards
Carl
Why do you have no chance to compete if you stay natty? I was 26 before I ran any gear. What that did for me is to make my nutritional knowledge and training regimes so much sharper than most who took short cuts younger. I reap the rewards of that now, 16 years later.
Reality check, finding a sponsor etc. Do you realise how few people make a career out of this that's financially viable? It's a very very small number, statistically you're unlikely to be a part of it. 5 to 15lbs in 5 years of training? If that's all you could achieve without steroids, then the pro / sponsorship potential is zero. Sorry to be negative, but that's a fact. If an 18 year old of your size cannot achieve significantly more than that, you'll never hold onto the gains you make with steroids.
I'll say this for you, you're a polite and articulate young man for 18 unlike many we see in your situation. You're trying to rush, I can understand that. Please be conscious of the fact that eroids policy prevents us from helping you build a cycle, rightly so as its irresponsible to do so. Hell, if I found out you were using gear in my gym I'd ban you and those that sold them to you.You've got plenty of natural growth left in you, I'll even help you drag it out faster with good nutrition and training advice if you leave the gear alone.
CarlFitAnywhere we can speak?
Thanks for advice
Send me a friend request then you can send me messages etc, (pm's)
TronMaybe you should send him an FR catalyst because he may not know how or instruct him further.. I am at a loss what to say to him.. I've said all I could it would be great if you could step in and help this young guy out... he is not stupid for those who have negged him.. he is young and uneducated and seems like a dedicated and polite young man... just needs some direction from someone with your knowledge.
I agree, I'll always try and help this sort of member who is polite and respectful. We're going to talk tomorrow.
Send him a FR and PM. Cat is one of the best guys on here bro, soak up his knowledge like a goddamn sponge.
And don't interrupt him when he's chewing, people have lost limbs that way...
Just started comp prep diet as well. I could eat the furniture I'm so hungry. 100g of carbs per day, I'll murder somebody by the end of the week......
Can we please observe a moment of silence for our fallen comrade?
How are you managing, I fill that carb quota by the time second breakfast comes around! When's the comp brother?
Big year for me this year mate, I expect to place well in a couple of big shows. August and October. I'm bigger than I planned and should be over 260 on stage but still a touch of symmetry problems to deal with, (traps after the second shoulder surgery). October show is the biggie so August is more of a trial run to see how well it gets spotted. Like most of us, it's more obvious to me than everyone else.
I'm sure you'll place just fine you fucking gorilla, coming in at 260. How many coworkers are going to get crushed this comp prep?
I can only imagine what only a 100 carbs would be like for a guy your size. Your twice my size I could barely function for very long at 100/day. I had to bump it up to 150 so I wasn't tearing people's heads off.
I'm utterly horrible at this stage, I love my carbs. Going to be a bad couple of weeks for my staff at work until I trim the bulk off. Sitting around 11% so will fall off rapidly until about 8%.
CarlFitI am currently cutting with a ketogenic diet and only eating 60grams of carbs a day
But you guys will probably not recommend me to do keto either so I ll keep quiet lol
I do have a refeed every 10 days tho
At the moment, no I probably wouldn't considering what you've given as a goal, but you know your body. Me, I'd be putting size on then thinking about carving it up later.
CarlFitAccept my friend reply, we can speak tomorrow
Already done.
No way I would be able to do a keto diet.
CarlFitYou are 4.7% bf, no reason to do it haha
Again take the advice don't ask for help if ur not ready to accept the reality.
Again u don't know if those guys have fucked themselves up cuz they won't admit and u will never know. And u u don't have blood work fuck man that isn't smart how do u know ur not fucking urself up without blood work go to a dr ASAP and accept the consequences. Ur not mature enough for this game
Get some bloodwork done to confirm it is bunk and then put a review up for the source.
NO SOURCE/LAB TALK IN OPEN FORUM.
CarlFitSorry my bad
AnonLast word of paragraph he listed lab name... Edit?