posted Sun, 04/26/2015 - 11:15
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MONEY MAYWEATHER vs PAC MAN
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Its upon us!! MONEY vs PAC MAN. Let's have predictions and thoughts on the biggest fight in decades!!
Who else would we like to see GOLOVKIN vs FROCH?
Guillermo Rigondeaux VS any muh fucka with the minerals to step to this beast!!
Is Amir Khan worthy of a shot at the winner of Mayweather Pac?
What you fight fans think? 
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Obviously everyone has opinions and all are valid. I just try to express the most realistic point. Most ppl bet with their heart not their head. Even if just for fun. But my opinions are formed based on my knowledge of the sport ,not with what I want to happen. I wanted to see manny put Floyd on his ass. Even if only once. But I knew it was a pipe dream. So the ppl are are sick of hearing me talk about boxing , find a post/comment where I was wrong about a prediction and I'll shut up.
I don't care what you want to talk about I just like seeing you posting again bro.
You know I'm paranoid. You tryina butter me up mufukr? Lol
Of course I am.
Don't give it up that easy ;)
You gotta poke the bear a bit to get him out his hideaway ;)
Floyd is not going to want anything to do with GGG. He will fight the safest fight that makes the most money. Does anyone think Keith Thurman would make an interesting fight?
100% agree. Thurman can crack just like GGG. So he makes for a dangerous opponent as well. But here is the problem with GGG as opposed to other good young fighters who can crack. Back in the last generation or two of boxing there was a common style called shifting. It was very very hard to learn and even harder to learn to oppose or defend. Over the last generation the art has died off and because it is so time-consuming and difficult to teach most trainers abandoned it. GGG is a master shifter. I don't know if he picked up the practice from Abel Sanchez or in the amateurs but he has perfected it. It's what gives him the ability to always be in position to punch. Even when he stocks or walks down his opponent. Even when he's cutting off the ring. He has the ability to shift in the middle of a flurry or while he's being hit. The problem with that is there is no way to defend it. Okay that's not 100% sure what I should say is nobody today has a game plan to defend it. There is no blueprint out there since it died off in the 70s and 80s. So what is shifting?
It is the constant shifting of foot position in the orthodox to south paw stance mid punch. Mike Tyson is the last I saw who used it religiously. Roberto Duran used it. Joe Frazier. Miguel Cotto sometimes used it. Like when he fought Martinez. Freddie Roach must have brought that out of the bag of tricks.
Whether the average fan can recognize it or not , every fighter has his own style , his own habits and his own short comings. When one guy prepares for another , they don't just train what they know and get in there throwing punches. There is a game plan to expose the opponents weakness. Manny for instance has a tendency to be off balance when he throws left hands. A fundamental mistake but one he could never over come. It never mattered in the past because he was that much better than the opposition. But Floyd exposed him. He was a hair faster and he trained to slip to the right of that overhand left so he could counter and be out of range when manny threw it. It paid off beautifully for him. So take a Keith Thurman. He is a north/south fighter. Doesn't come from angles or use a shell defense. He comes straight in. So those big punches he throws you can see coming. Someone like GGG , who has a monster punch and uses shifting, you don't see his shots coming so you see guys get hurt badly against him. Floyd knows there is no way to learn the counter offensive to the shift. The risk outweighs the reward. That fight doesn't make sense. Thurman, that would be more of what you saw last Saturday. A technical mismatch and an embarrassing snoozer
Shifting allows GGG to have this kind of power even as he gets hit. Most fighters would be not only off balance but unable to punch let alone with power. This is what makes shifting dangerous.
Always a pleasure reading your insight on boxing. If more people understood the "sweet science" this sport would be more appreciated.
Dude GGG fights next week!!! And cotto fights geale in June or July I believe XD
I have feeling it's guna go down like this... Canelo wins tonight vs Kirkland . Gennady wins next week. Cotto wins then gifts canelo then GGG fights canelo or cotto after !! Great fights coming the end of this year can't wait
Canelo destroyed Kirkland , I think he is ready for GGG, remember he hasn't face somebody who can punch back as hard as him, good fights to come .
Amazing fight bro!! I give respect to Kirkland cuz he knew he was out matched yet did his best to make the fight worth watching. GGG vs canelo!!! Fuck that would probably be fight of the year!! Or any of them fighting cotto would also be great to watch.
Nope Amir should fight either broner or Lucas matthysse.... Isn't khan fighting Chris algieri???
Golovkin !! Wow I like to watch him fight anybody!! So many to choose from : cotto, canelo, Chavez jr, ward, froch, Lemieux, or lee. I would enjoy watching golovkin fight any these high ranked opponents :-)
Amir should fight Broner. Matthysse will murder him. And I like Chavez Jr vs GGG or Cotto vs GGG. Lemieux is a fraud. Ward don't want to fight and Canelo isn't ready for that. The best most entertaining fight would be with Chavez. He doesn't go down and he returns fire relentlessly.
Chavez jr vs GGG would be a non stop action fight but GGG would overwhelm Chavez with the weapon u mentioned above
"SHIFTING"!!! U are very correct nitti canelo is no where ready for GGG I have doubts in his fight vs Kirkland I think he is slowly losing his touch. But Chavez is also losing steam his last fight he struggled to make weight and looked very weak in the ring. Cotto would avoid GGG all day he knows that fight would end his career. Ward vs GGG now that's fight worth watching but I believe gennady should fight Andy lee first and slowly clean out his division before moving on to ward.
At the moment I think boxing is on the rise again big time really good fights this yr alone and now we can maybe see the best fight the best mayweather fight was one sided but what fan don't see is the big picture! Which is he opened opportunities in the boxing world for fans to see better and more exciting fights
Chavez went down on his last fight, but still it would be great to see him against GGG
He's one of the few crazy (or desperate) enough to get in with GGG. Cotto said "fuuuuuuck that shit!"
I believe is going to be GGG vs Canelo, we will find out very soon if 3xG can take a real punch ( same goes for Canelo).
Cotto won't fight him unless the money is super right.
He took clean shots from Curtis Stevens. He has serious knock out power in both hands. He took GGG to war. Gave him the best fight to date. Cracked the shit outta him too. G looked like he may have been stunned. Stopped moving for a second. But then stepped forward again. Didn't buckle. No twitch in the knees. He's sturdy
yes you are right I totally forgot about him, he got 20 ko's, but that was my first time watching him fight, he was decent, I still believe GGG needs a real challenge with an elite fighter, like Joe Calzaghe once did, it is going to be a good year for boxing hopefully.
Lucas Matthysse ! Great shout man phenomenal KO power!
Yes!! But I think Lucas deserves a rematch with Danny garcia cuz he slaughtered provodnikov
I love both Those match ups. Garcia is undefeated in something like 27 fights and 20KO's (don't quote me). If he's willing to go to War again any time soon with Lucas I'd be surprised.
No Danny g next fight is against adrien broner which I don't like either of them but I prefer Danny over broner
X2 Lucas didn't look like he train enough to fight Danny, a rematch would be great
Plus garcia looked sloppy against Lamont Peterson
IMHO Peterson won that fight
Yea sir he did I completely agree with u...... Canelo Kirkland this week who do u got
That's a tough one sir, if Kirkland chin pass the test it would be an interesting one, can go either way, but I think Canelo go it. You??
I got canelo but tbh i feel like his skills have dropped I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Kirkland upset decision or ko
AnonI was disappointed to see Packman just couldn't seem to capitalize on may weather when he had him in the corner and on the ropes. The first 5 rounds. Now this fuckers ego is through the roof. Hopefully his last fight he'll loose. Although many say mayweather ran he actually played the point cards well.
Again, I will standby my previous post.. Floyd hid and ducked Manny 5 years ago when Manny was in his prime cuz that THUG knew he would lose. Kept using excuses that Manny was using AAS or PED's etc to make excuse after excuse. My question to that little thug is, If your such the superior boxer you claim to be, why would it matter who is taking what if you can out box that person in the ring???? AAS or PED's don't make a boxer so you have NO reason to say no if that is the case.. Now this POS might pass the GREAT Rocky Marciano's 49-0 record cuz he will fight hand picked opponents once again as he has his entire career.. He is a pathetic excuse for an athlete and is a woman beater as well.. He can go F**k off as far as I am concerned... His day is coming ppl. just wait and see.. Peace out.
AnonI agree. I was just saying he played the cards well being he's a point fighter. I want him to loose and I hope he will before he "retires". After he won all he's done and and did is brag more and more. It was sad to see Packman actually thought he won and be disappointed. But like Packman said when he was interviewed... He came to fight and may weather ran.
Lol @ Golovkin v Froch
Mayweather fights through the early storm and settles into his rhythm. By mid fight it's a snoozer! Pac can crack, and he's an all time great. But he doesn't win this fight 5 years ago and he doesn't win tonight. Never bet against Floyd Mayweather
Ohh and Khan has to beat Kel Brook first. The winner of Brook v Khan (fight of the year if it happens) gets the winner tonight
AnonSomeone will catch him... As always...just a matter of time
Who's gonna fight him? Answer-no one with anything to lose. The money may draw Froch to fight which then gives Golovkin a greater scope to bigger opponents. Ffs, it took Mayweather nearly 6 years to fight Pacquio, you think he's even looking at anyone like Golovkin now?
Lmao @khan has to beat Kel brook
Can you even name one of Brooks opponents that's worthy of mention? Khan has already said he doesn't need Kel brook. In the UK Kel Brook isn't looked at on the save level as Khan. He's fought no one even near the same caliber of opponent as Khan has fought and beat. The thought of Kel Brook fighting Mayweather or Pacqiuo is comical, fuck it it's comical to think of matching him to Danny Garcia or Maidana!!
And as far as the Golovkin thing. I wasn't being condescending when I said "lol". I was literally laughing. Not at you or at the idea. But at the visual I had of the fight. I can't see how anyone with an understanding of boxing can look at triple G and think up an opponent that would genuinely give him problems. There is only 1 right now. And that isn't going to happen. Andre Ward. Froch is a good fighter, but he doesn't have the style that I personally think can stop GGG. Cotto completely avoided him (very intelligent move because that would have been a great show but also the end of Cotto's career), nobody wants any parts of this kid and if you look at his game, it's not hard to see why. Forget the fact that he possesses the power to put someone to bed with one punch from either side. He is one of the most technically sound fighters I have ever seen. He makes no mistakes. He is always in a position to punch even when on defensive. He is a master of foot work in unison with the stalking pressure style of cutting off the ring instead of chasing. The guy is an expert shifter! That is something he has that NOBODY has today. Shifting is thought of as unimportant and its overlooked these days. Not by this kid. And he is just getting started. The better the fighter , the more it brings out in him. The killer instinct is there, power, technically sound game , he's for real and Carl Froch will end up hurt unnecessarily. He doesn't need that shit. He should stay his ass in Europe and fight lesser men and cruise to his retirement.
I believe u are correct nitti the only boxer who can possible give golovkin a hard time is Andre ward but as we can see he is also dodging him -_______- u missed one key element of GGG nitti his ability to make a devastating punch while taking a punch
Lol When internet translation fails!!
I believe we are arguing cases neither of us were intending to make lol. I was just shooting the shit, throwing names out that UK journalists are calling for.
Dude GGG will end his career undefeated.... It's as simple as that.
Here's the problem with Khan, he has had his shots in the past and he's squandered them. Ppl aren't all in on Khan. As a fighter, I'll tell you right now that if a guy intentionally dismisses another game top contender or champion to avoid the fight, he doesn't want that fight. The thing about boxing, the fans have a heavy influence. I don't know why that is but the fans have a huge part to play and right now, Kel Brook is the man and khan is in his shadow. Khan isn't in the elite group yet. He's knocking on the door , but still missing something.
The way you completely dismiss Brook is curious. As long as you don't tell me it's because khan said he doesn't need him. No, Khan needs to beat him because he is part of the future A class. If Khan is going to stay in this weight class, he will have to fight him eventually. Khan has his reasons for not wanting that fight. Guys with supreme confidence NEVER have an opinion on who they fight next. That's why they have promoters. The fighter sits back and does what the management team tells him. If they say Brook is the best fight for the fans and money, then he will have to do it. He ducks, he shows his hand. Amir Khan isn't Floyd Mayweather. He can't hand pick his opponents. He hasn't earned it yet.
Honestly there are an ubundance of reasons I dismiss Kell Brook but the bottom line Khan would spread him across the ring like butter on toast. Khan is the dangling carrot Brook is clutching at to give him that big pay day and make him famous, who by the way most likely has to get past a Marquez defence. Meanwhile Maywether or even Pacqiuo is No dangling carrot for Khan but instead a well earned reward, he's banging on their door he's so close. Anyways I doubt Floyd has even heard of Brook.
I don't think Kel Brook is all that. But what I think Doesn't matter. The people who make the moves put a lot of stock in him. I think his game has huge holes (topics for another day) and Khan will win in the end. But it's a natural stepping stone. Khan needs to get over himself and fight who they put in front of him. Kel Brook is a fluke. Mark my words. But there are ppl who think that he's got something. I thought I could see Khan giving Mayweather trouble a few months ago. Then I looked again and I shut up about it because I knew it was wishful thinking. Nobody is going to beat Floyd Mayweather. Sorry to all the Pac man fans. All I can say to you is you watched a master boxer at work last night. A rare sight for sure.
Boxing IMO is shifting away from the old politics of which you speak. Khan is exciting, his fights are hugely entertaining and wether he wins or losses people still want to see him throw down with the biggest names. On the flip side if Kell Brook losses his next fight no one will give a shit. Do we weight for Brook to fight through a few more mediocre fights and Khan to fight some aging star and MAYBE in 2017 we get Kell Brook v Khan then MAYBE in 2019 Mayweather will have spunked all his cash and come out of retirement to fight the winner of Brook /Khan???? Lol. Fux that, let's get it on now!!
You are likely right and know this game on a much deeper level than I ever will, but that being said I hope Manny finds a way.
I think more than half the ppl who follow Floyd only do so because they want to see his mouth get shut.
His mouth has been quite this entire promotion. I don't think he's taking this lightly.
Most ppl can't read between the lines and see the genius of the persona. He finally admitted its mostly a character. He knew how to sell tickets and secure his future. He's one smart fucker!
Creative lol not smart guy is seriously uneducated.
That's a pretty ignorant thing to say about a guy who just made 9 figures on one fight. Like Jay said, "You are looking at one smart black boy!" He can't read. I know , I saw the videos. Here's why it doesn't matter in an intelligence test. His entire life has been boxing. He was born into a family of fighters. His school work was second to his boxing training. So what's the idea of school? To educate you to the point of success right? Go get a degree so you can land a high paying job? Well, he chose his path and because his intelligence was focussed in boxing doesn't mean he is dumb. That's just ridiculous to say about a guy who just pulled in a 200+ million in one night
Money doesn't make you educated or intelligent . I know guys making millions playing pro football and they are the farthest from intelligent . but I guess that is all that is required for being intelligent is just being successful and having money....... Not only can ye not read at a grade school reading level..... His math skills are depressing. The only thing that guy is good at is boxing period. That and wasting money on rericulous shit. But to call him intelligent lmfao Jesus Christ. No he is a successful boxer with the right people in his corner. Like I said has nothing to do with school push that aside your going to tell me hes intelligent when he was risking fucking up his career in boxing by beating some Chic's ass? Real intelligent. I understand you live boxing but to say this man is some sort if intellectual is far out bro even for you. When he gets hyped up he even sounds like a moron..... But I guess my definition of intelligent and yours are two different things sorry I brought it up.guys a great boxer that's it. Fuck the guy says he's the greatest fighter ever even better than our greats like Ali smfh. But he's intelligent ,no he's gifted and good at what he does.