+ 2 Zyzz's cycle, is this what killed him?
You can't seem to read and research bodybuilding and aas without sooner or later running into this zyzz character. I don't speak ill of the dead and the guy seems to have been very influential on a younger generation of bodybuilders, focusing specifically on Aesthetics vs the meat-head (as the younger gen calls it). There's a lot of specualtion on weather he did coke along with aas, and his family ultimately said that he had died of a heart condition. But the truth and general concessus seems that it was his promised to keep his physique and running massive amounts of gear none stop was what finally killed him.
I've research most of the sides on tren and T3 and clen put together add the sauna which elevates your body temp etc and its very possible.
I'd love to hear the thought on guys that have run similar cycles, could this cycle kill ya, why/why not?
By the account of his pinning buddy, this is basically the cycle that Zyzz was running when they found him dead in the sauna in Thailand:
tren ace 150mg/d
test prop 150ed
T3- 25 mcg twice a day
clen 80 mcg ed
Two weeks on, two weeks off.
His goal was to maintain his "god like" physique 365 days a year till the day he died (no pun intended).
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well to be honest, i see so many people running clen, like theres no reason to be running clen unless your about to go on stage. its very dangerous and especially if you are getting it ugl and not pharma because mcg can easily not be measured right. but everybody is crazy for that shit.
Drugs killed him period! Hate when people say, the heroin was laced with fentanyl and that killed him or was the coke laced with fentanyl?. Mofo, drugs kill! The heroin killed that person. We learn that in 4th grade. Not drugs mixed with AAS or laced coke, or hot shot, or overdosed drugs. DRUGS KILL. DO DRUGS YOU DIE, WHATEVER ITS MIXED WITH OR DID WITH IT!
13 year old thread lmao, but right drugs period are what kill, honestly don't know what people even expect when mixing rec drugs with aas.
If you decide to take gear, you have to also decide to not take recreational drugs
26 year old thread i stand behind what i say.
Yessir, just confused as to why these old ass threads keep popping up
It goes by views and not by comments. If just one person views it when nothing else has been viewed in a while then it pops up under hot topics, then another person views since it's in their hot topics and then the domino effect
Makes sense precieate the explanation man.
I'd say the Double Dose of Clenbuterol, T3 and 900mg of Tren per week overtaxed his heart - thats an insane cocktail which will lead to a High Resting Heart rate and Blood Pressure. Then it sounds like he was also doing other things and was heavily into the party lifestyle.
There are tonnes of Pillocks over here hammering Roids in the week - then they go out on a weekend Drinking, Taking Cocaine and God knows what else - BOOM Heart Attack.
No … the cycle didn’t kill him.
It was the lifestyle… heavy stimulant use, dehydration, partying (Yeah, that was the real cycle he used to run), and pushing past what his heart could handle. The gear was just one piece of a much bigger picture.
I really doubt he was running 150mg of Tren A each day, maybe 50 was possible
still miring tho ----
He had an undiagnosed heart problem, did a ton of molly and coke cause he didnt like what alcohol did to his physique. So those two drugs are bad for the heart, then he fucked with alot of clen, bad for the heart, he most likely used t3 and most people dont know this but t3 is pretty bad for the heart. Then add in any dose of tren wether it be 50mg ed or 150mg ed its bad for you're heart, high test is not great for your heart, mast etc. Then put them all together and do it at the same time with a pre existing heart problem and boom. Done. Cause no that cycle will not kill a healthy guy not using drugs and eating right. Might have some rough sides on 150mgs of tren ed if you're prone to those sides. I doubt he ran 150mgs of prop ed more like 50. He might have been fucking with DNP also who knows.
At the end of the day this is all speculation. The guy could have been running something totally different for all we know. He doesnt have the physique that screams tren, or mast, or eq, or npp etc. I love the dudes physique but hes not overlly big, not seriously lean, not that vascular or hard etc. So its hard to say what he was really doing.
NikotaurusHe infact did take DNP. Even opened a thread on another steroid forum, asking for advice.
I agree though, we have no way to tell why he died, what he took and what excactly lead to his death. Abusing Clen with an existing heart condition would be my guess, but like I said, no way we will ever find out.
After all this time, I just finally looked at some pictures of him on the net. There are thousands of pictures. To me he's just a well built kid. My understanding, though, is that he was a genuine empathetic kind of soul who cared a lot about other people. Truly a nice nice guy. It's always a shame to lose that kind of person.
There isn't anything about that stack that jumps out at me and spells death. I have heard it said he had other health problems that were worsened from AAS use and that possibly resulted in his death. I have not seen an autopsy if one was ever done.
I don't know if he thought of himself as a bodybuilder or not, but he looked like he had some potential. But in any case, I can't find a picture of him looking "big."
Fair enough, I suppose we can both agree that the term is thrown around very loosely given todays culture. I'm not quite sure whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, as it lumps what is considered "normal" into one group, and everything else into the "other"... For example, and please bare in mind this is a very primitive example, this is what today's standards consider a model:
and this is what today's standards consider a "plus sized model", ranging from this:
to this:
The point I'm trying to make I guess is that today's standards are complete shit and nobody really has the right to judge others based on their own preference... Now while I did use female models as my primitive example, I extend this to our forum in this way. You can't judge another user simply off where they are physique wise currently and what they aspire to look like, because it's certainly entirely based on one's own preference that does not line up with a single other individual's... We can be civil about it and analyze a member's current condition, and assist them based on where they are, what base they have built up, etc... but to sit there and laugh at someone's "size" is not only childish, but goes against the very purpose of this forum.
I think i'll stop ranting now
BAHAHAHAAAA all that juice and he looked like that (just looked him up) lol seriously!? and this guy was popular why???? having some cuts and abs doesnt mean anything unless you have full round large muscle bellies. its like fat chicks with big tits.... it doesnt count
I agree with this. There are a handful of guys in my gym that have this look and when I look out the corner of my eye they struggle benching maybe 1/2 what I can. I'll take my strength and power>>> aesthetics anyday.
I beg to differ, beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. By all means women such as Sofia Vergara and Christina Hendrix would fit the "fat chicks" category by today's standards, but in my opinion they have some the most beautiful figures out there.
The same can be applied to men, there are studies showing women prefer the "swimmers body," which Zyzz and the like encompass/ed. To you that may be unattractive, but to millions of others it is ideal.
Laughing it up and pointing figures wreaks of immaturity and self-esteem issues.
im not saying he didnt have a good physique by "mens physique" standards. but lets be honest his physique could be obtained naturally or with the help of some mild test + winny or test + eq type cycles. there is no reason why 150mg of tren a day should be needed to obtain such, imo, mediocre results. heavy cycles like that should be only utilized when the goal is to obtain more than a "swimmers body" ...if the same guy came here and posted up his cycle, and then posted a self shot and no one knew who he was he would get flamed the fuck out and probably banned by the mods especially if they knew he was a "YOLO" type and was doing a bunch of recreational drugs along with it. he would get the hammer in a heartbeat. but because now hes dead and had a following all of a sudden someone with his development running as much gear as he did to obtain as little as he did from all of it, now its ok and hes being defended?? see what im getting at
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Well, this rely is certainly much different than your original one! Completely different meaning, and now I see what you're saying. My apologies for taking it differently. I wasn't defending him per se, just the notion of what a good physique is. You have a great physique judging by your pictures, and I'm sure it's come further since they are somewhat dated. Zyzz had a great physique as well. It's not my cup of tea, but I have a lot of respect for both you and him for achieving that look. I don't disagree that the means to get his physique were over the top and unnecessary, I wholeheartedly agree. I'm making a big assumption here, but I'm guessing his diet was not the cleanest it could've been, and couple that with the recreational drug use, I can see why he'd try to overcompensate with higher doses of AAS.
respect man. i didnt mean to come off as if i was saying his physique was shit. but again im from the group of people who come from the mindset that the only people who should be using steroids in the first place are serious bodybuilders who commit to the lifestyle and dont party ect, power-lifters and or performance athletes. people who actually reap what AAS has to offer an athlete not just use them as a easy means to stay ripped year round so you can slack on other areas while you spend your time partying and doing drugs rather than staying committed to your craft. and i think that yolo mindset is what really turns me off about the guy.
So unless other people have the same physique as what you consider ideal it doesnt count?
You're narrow minded.
no.. im saying to obtain the physique he did could be done naturally, or at the very least a simple test and var cycle but 150mg of tren a day!!!!!!???? should not be needed to obtain so little. and thats the truth
So you are able to decipher what every person is able to achieve naturally? No, you can't.
Not necessarily, again, you can't speak for what anyone but yourself needs in terms of drugs, diet or training to achieve a certain physique.
You wanna know what the truth is? The large majority of people on this board, and every other board lie about what they use and how much they use.
For the record, I have never been a Zyzz fan, but at the same time I would never bash someone's physique, especially when they have parishes and are not able to defend themselves.
If one needs over a gram of tren a week to maintain a physique like zyzz then either their gear is severely underdosed or they have some of the worst genetic responses to drugs. Or they eat like shit and don't train hard in which case they don't have any business dabbling in AAS in the first place, IMO. Agree to disagree Grimey but in my personal opinion if one can't achieve the same size for their specific height and development of muscle tissue as zyzz did naturally or at least within their first few cycles I would start to question their comminent, diet, and training. Because over a gram of tren should not be nessecary to try to achieve what he did physique wise. Just my .02
No worries, I can agree to dissagree. Ive been in an argumentative mood lately. You make good points. Especially regarding possiby having underdosed gear which I think is the case more often than not. Lots of people are hardly taking half of what they think they are taking. Also agree on the diet, if youre not eating enough, or too much for your goals, the juice aint gonna do much.
Much respect. I will argue a point just for the mental stimulation so I always accept a debate with a point of view contrary to my own. I think diet is more often than not the culprit on whether or not someone will see improvements. Anyone can shoot a barrel of gear and go hit the weights but it takes a special kind of commitment, some might even call it obsessive or crazy to force down 6-7 meals a day, sip protein shakes throughout the day when eating real food isn't an option ( I.e at work) and I doubt staying out all night clubbing and snorting blow allowed zyzz to eat the way one needs to grow. Then again maybe being big and hard and dense wasn't his goal and respect to him for having a different one than myself. I just think there is a more healthy and less dangerous path to where he wanted to be without taxing his body with a gram if tren a week.
Chestbrah explains how Zyzz died: http://youtu.be/15sztntuvCA
Zyzz was much heavier than 175 lbs. I don't even know how someone could make that claim. I'm 5'10" and weigh more than that but do not look as big as zyzz was and he is a good 3-4 inches taller than me. He was EASILY 200lbs in many of his pictures. Jeez guys.....it's easy to see. Have you ever met a 175 pounder that looked anything like zyzz? I didn't think so.
http://beststeroidscycle.com/which-steroids-did-zyzz-use/
Bullshit, website selling FAKE ORALS as zyzz's stack, profiting off a dead man and selling fake products to boot wtf man
nobellabsPARTY WHILE ON A CYCLE IS A VERY BAD IDEA... This is most likely what killed zyzz ... I have done cycles running way more gear than what you have listed...I am still around because my lifestyle is very clean when doing gear...
NO ALCOHOL OR ANY DRUGS.....
He had a heart condition to , and I'm sure the drugs had a lot to do with it. Drugs are bad in general but mixing them wth AAS is a serious problem waiting to happen. I would never.
Partying in Thailand with Tim Sharky on high grade thai ass, clen, coke, pills the lot all while baking in a 90* degree sauna filled with Sharky's girls going hard to hard style...... I believe Sharky even warned him to slow the fuck down,warning it's super strength everything compared to back home. And If he did have a heart condition.... Time was up unforrunaltely up. But unlike many of this world, hate himd or love him Zyzz left a legacy purely based of the greatest personality and outlook that won't be forgotten and inspire many to chisel up and go make life fun........ Unlike the the haters, who will only ever be known by a username on an unwitty YouTube comment.
If Tim Sharky tells you you're going OTT you better slow the fuck down.
I was just watching the revolution today for shits a giggles. He was the man. I wonder what he would look like if he was still alive. 3 years later, he'd probabably be a tank right now.
I'm sure they contributed in loading the gun, no doubt, but I think his frequent use of hard street drugs, drinking, etc (combined with his PED use) is what pulled the trigger.
Dat everything.
3 year anniversary of his death today. RIP ZYZZ. Unique guy who looked great.
Just a Lil info.
This guy was an avid hardstyle fan.
He's been seen in many raves doing Molly, Ecstasy, and cocaine. In addition having shot after shot till his friends drag him around afte a night of Melbourne shuffle.
Also, he was only 175 pounds.
he looked good, but juice and other things are a bad combo.
I myself take pretty extreme dosages.
You gotta make sure to keep your body right.
There are sooo much bodybuilders out there.
if juice was such a problem we would see it constantly. No, I don't condone anything. BUT!
The majority of bodybuilders that die from heart attacks, are the same age many die from heart attacks.
It's like pit bulls. Only they make the news of attacks despite people getting mauled every day by other breeds.
Moral of the story.
check yourself before you wreck yourself.
I love hardstyle.
Zyzz was not 175lbs, add another 40-50 and your there.
Iron. I've been right next to him. Partied with him.
I'm a part of the bodybuilding/physique world.
I know he wasn't even 200lbs.
Yes hardstyle is amazing lol
I've seen pics and video were he's looked like he's 175lbs and at other times he's looked like he's about 210lbs. Being cut and muscular will give the illusion of increased size but not 20+ lbs.
I'm the same height and don't look anywhere as big as him in some images I've seen. I weigh 190lbs give or take a couple.
Idk. My buddy is 5'6 175 pounds cut and in pics you assume he was 210, just cause hes cute.
How lean are u Robb?
I've been face to face. He looks like sufer muscle to me. Of course I'm 5'9 240 10% bf. So I'm hobbling off side walks lol
I'd guess I'm about 9% bf right now. That's how I'm viewing zyzz as in this range, probably less.
At the end of the day I'm just seeing him on a screen, so I'm thinking were there's images of him looking smaller than others I'm putting him in the 175 bracket.
According to everyone the guy was almost 6'2. Do you knkw now fuckinf tiny 6'2 175lbs is? It's literally do you even lift status, and zyzz was far from it. If he was 5'10 then ya he could be 175 and look ok, but at 6'2 he would look like a damn twig. Look Af his brother when he was still alive, that's 180lbs right there and zyzz dawdled him and he was 3 inches taller. Chestbrah was 180lbs back then and your gonna say zyzz was 5lbs less? Impossible he was way bigger then him and being 3 inches taller he had atleast 30lbs on him. There's pics out there where you could argue zyzz was around 200 or even under , but right before he died he was a big dude.
Dude you're wrong. zyzz walked around at 185 190. He was not 220-230, that's way off.
You've obviously never seen what 185lbs looks like at 6'2 , so I'm gonna show you, and ill even add 10lbs to it and take an inch away. This is 6'1 194lbs pretty lean. http://i42.tinypic.com/3161dzp.jpg
zyzz wwas an inch taller and DWARFED this kid. This is him probably at his biggest. 6'2 185lbs my ass.
http://cdn.simplyshredded.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/g.jpg
So you're gonna say that zyzz is somehow 10lbs ligther while being and inch taller, but somehow way bigger then the kid? Cmon son.
I've been right next to him. Hes lean but not huge. Look at that pic in here. Hes tiny. Look at video's, he's tiny.