+ 2 Zyzz's cycle, is this what killed him?
You can't seem to read and research bodybuilding and aas without sooner or later running into this zyzz character. I don't speak ill of the dead and the guy seems to have been very influential on a younger generation of bodybuilders, focusing specifically on Aesthetics vs the meat-head (as the younger gen calls it). There's a lot of specualtion on weather he did coke along with aas, and his family ultimately said that he had died of a heart condition. But the truth and general concessus seems that it was his promised to keep his physique and running massive amounts of gear none stop was what finally killed him.
I've research most of the sides on tren and T3 and clen put together add the sauna which elevates your body temp etc and its very possible.
I'd love to hear the thought on guys that have run similar cycles, could this cycle kill ya, why/why not?
By the account of his pinning buddy, this is basically the cycle that Zyzz was running when they found him dead in the sauna in Thailand:
tren ace 150mg/d
test prop 150ed
T3- 25 mcg twice a day
clen 80 mcg ed
Two weeks on, two weeks off.
His goal was to maintain his "god like" physique 365 days a year till the day he died (no pun intended).
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I think I should of wrote that a little clearer, what I was saying was at the smallest I've seen him I guess his weight to be around 175lb. Maybe more at his smallest possibly 180lbs. However like i said in a reply above he also looked like he was 210lbs. I Googled some pics, there's one in a la mode vest looking easy 210lbs.
Don't worry bro, I'm not a zyzz hater, quite the opposite in fact, it's a shame he's not about, mofo would be very rich now.
This reminds me of AEROK1025. I mean that guy had a cycle that would frighten any man or women here.. But in the end he had a condition (I believe kidney) and also died. The point should be made that before a cycle you should be checked out for your overall well being by a licensed physician. Be sure you're ready. (There's a post that highlights if and when you should begin AAS) If you have a known condition, probably stay away from AAS. Otherwise you're playing Russian roulette... More than you already are. Both zyzz and aerok were great people and loved by many. And now both gone. Steroids may not have killed them directly but it sped up the process. Just food for thought
I've been chewing my friends ass out bro, I made him read a few articles on here and he laughed them off, played it down... he runs up to 200mgs of orals ED for a month on end bro... he thinks he is invincible, it really sucks when people will not take the proper advice... I am afraid for him to be honest... he replies "I am a man, and I will do what I want" he uses Dorian Yates, interview about steroids for an excuse to run that insane amount of gear.. its working on the outside, but at what cost to his health?
Even a decently heavy bulk cycle of 1000mgs a week on test-e and deca is risky if you don't know what you're doing. But 1400mgs though?! And possibly long acting esters (since I don't know what he's on). And if this is a month to month thing with no rest. Yeah he may look good for now but wait till his body springs back....
It really is a shame when people don't listen... It's the reason forums like this are created because older generations have already made mistakes and try to pass on the knowledge and advice so we don't make the same errors and avoid detrimental damage to our bodies. Also it shows the young and foolish who pass away from not taking proper precautions thinking "they're invincible". Hopefully your friend comes to realization before permanent damage is done
As iron pointed out below, he had a genetic heart condition. I doubt the gear helped, but he died of a heart attack.
The heart is a muscle, it is very plausible for steroids to help enlarge the heart; in turn causing negative effects, some of which can be terminal.
Where have you guys seen he was 220lbs? I thought he was 6'1" 205lbs.
Im guessing you got those stats from his BB.com account? He got banned from there like a year before he died. He got alot bigger after that.
No one realy knows his cycle or if he had a heart condition which is more than liklyt I have seen idiots on here get skated who where running cycles that should of killed them for 4 plus years total spongles..
I do believe how ever the partying lifestyle mixed with his trios to festivals and his amphetamine taking will have been a major cause to his death not anobolic steroids..
The clen doses people speak of are also shite even when starting training his metabolism was unreal some people like a friend of mine just Cant gain fat he builds lean muscle all year round with minimal fat and the shredded look..
He inspired people the world round and he should be remembered as a inspiration but what internet haters and the media portrayed.
He did have a undiagnosed heart condition. His cycles weren't that crazy like all the kids on bb.com make it out to be. A lot of guys on here run cycles that make his look like childs play. And alot of them havent even achieved his level of development. But using steroids, fat burners like t3, clen which are bad for the heart, suspected dnp use, and then mixing that with cocaine and ecstasy every single weekend will fuck anybody up. Not just someone with a heart problem .
He really did great things, inspired thousands and thousands of people to start living a healthy lifestyle. no homo but i fucking love the guys phyqisue. By far my favorite look ever. He wasn't the biggest guy or the leanest, theres tons of guys that are 6'1 220 at 8%bf. He just had the best genetic shape to his chest and abs and the perfect insertion points of all his muscles. Plus the tattoos man couldn't have done a better job on that. Sick physique and great person.
You hit the nail exactly on the head, brah!
I have never seen anybody else with a phyisique like he had. That is for me what made him so amazing.
His body is by far unreached.
Bang on mate could not off said it better myself good to see there some non haters out there..
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You just dropped my exact thoughts mate. People pick and pick and Zyzz for this, that and the other but they fail to see the incredible positivity that simply oozed from him at every single moment naturally. One in a million persona..... Period.
Like you say, wether he was nothing but a skinny fun boy BB wannabe to you, or one of the ultimate physiques you aspire for, it doesn't even matter because he inspired a legion of skinny computer geeks to go throw some weight around and achieve the greatness we all possess inside.
Ya his physique was a very small part of what made him great. But the time frame he did it in is extremely impressive. 100lbs of muslce in less then 4 years even with steroids is fucking nuts. It was so much more then his physique. My goal is something like what he looked like. At my height i think id probably have the same size if i was 205 lean, Assuming he really was 220. He didnt have the muscle maturity and density because he had only been at it for 4 years, but honestly it gave a more aesthetically pleasing look then the dry hard grainy look. I think it would have taken away from his goal of aesthetics. His brothers getting pretty big. But as much as he tries to be like zyzzs he's noting like him I follow him on Facebook and he constantly lashes out at people that talk shit. Zyzz would have never done that. Then he never responds to all the people that actually support him. He's a tool in my opinion, but i still have some respect for him since he's zyzzs brother.
Yep I mean chestbrah no doubt has always had somewhat of a chip on his shoulder but the dude is not only living in the shadow of someone (his brother of all people) who is still and always will be loved all across the world but who has also passed away, and that certainly can't be easy for anyone.
Then having to deal with millions of young pups asking stupid questions daily about Zyzz can only make things so much harder.
Not sure if we are hijacking the Ops thread (sorry homie) but feel free to shoot the shit on the topic anytime through PM bud.
Ya its gotta be incredibly hard being his brother. People are always comparing him to zyzz and shit. Its just crazy how much better zyzz genetics are. chestbrah started lifting a year or two before zyzz and to this day, 3 years later he's still not as big as he was. Ive been following his progress and I think he got up to like 96kgs on this last bulk, but he had to fucking bulk to do it. Zyzz never had to do that. Maybe, just maybe he will end up at a lean 87-88kgs, which still isn't gonna be as big as zyzz. Thats 193lbs at 5'11. Zyzz was almost 6'2 at 220 so i think he would have to be about 90kgs (198lbs) to have the same size as zyzz. Wtf could zyzz have done so much differently to get him that size so much quicker. Cause chestbrah is not natty either. Maybe he spend some time natty after zyzz death but before he wasn't, and i know he isn't now. I just dont get it.
None of those doses are mind blowing. People who are not on anything die in the sauna every year.
Another thing people probably didn't consider. Did he have heart problems or did heart condition run in the family?
I always stress it to get an EKG before your first cycle. Just me ranting
steroids can kill anybody, heart attacks can be caused by them, stupidity killed this cat, not curiosity.
the AAS and stimulants with a pre-existing heart condition in addition to the recreational drugs like cocaine will do that to ya
I don't think the OP's question can be answered. A gram of Tren and a gram of Test / wk with 50 mcg of T3 and 80 mcg of Clen - certain death, certainly not. Could it kill ya is the question and the answer is sure it could. Many of us walk around happily with undiagnosed congenital conditions. We feel on top of the world. The LAD artery that supplies blood to the left ventricle of the heart - the one artery if it closes - is certain death can be 85% blocked from accumulated plaque build-up and you can be asymptomatic. Think about that. You are a walking time bomb with out a clue. So, after all that dribble, I would say that the kid had some health issues and high doses of anabolics didn't help matters. Is it POSSIBLE they didn't contribute to his demise. Yeah sure it's possible. Common sense suggests otherwise though, doesn't it?
I really hate to risk sounding crass, but I've been in a sauna in Thailand and there may have been a whole lot of contributing factors, including AAS, but I'd bet the Thai ladies pushed his heart over the edge.
LBFM's
Whether on AAS or not it's catching the blame. If anything I'm betting Clenbuterol or some other sympathomimetic that has been improperly categorized a 'steroid" for shock value. Still sucks.
On 5 August 2011, Aziz Shavershian suffered a heart attack in a sauna, while on holiday in Pattaya, Thailand.[26] He was taken to a hospital, where doctors were unable to revive him. An autopsy revealed a previously undiagnosed congenital heart defect.[5] His family stated he had shown several minor symptoms in the few months leading up to August, including high blood pressure and occasional shortness of breath. He had a family history of heart problems - Courtesy of Wikipedia
I dont want to come off as remorseless cold hearted person... IMO All he had really was abs... I don't see much development of muscle, mostly the lost of fat... not to take anything away from what he accomplished, IMO it doesn't take much work for a skinny person to develop a pronounced set of abdominals...
He went from 120-220 lean in less then 4 years. 220 at 8% bf jsnt massive at all. There's a ton of guys that are 6'1 220 at 8%. The guy has the perfect muscle tie in, perfect shape, the most unique arched abs, just genetically great shaped muscles that can't be made in the gym. And zyzz being zyzz was way more then just his physique. That was only 50% of what made him so great.
My thoughts exactly! Even though he probly had one of the most unique set of abs I've ever seen I really dont get the hype around the dude
The Hype? LMAO adolescent schoolgirls! There's your Hype! IMO no real bodybuilder would have taken him seriously... Maybe a possible NPC competitor, but still; you have to build some muscle mass to stand out...
Funny thing is I've seen guys on certain social media sites who dedicate their lives to being just like him
Both sad and dangerous...
Just the thought of having coke and clen in my system while sitting in a sauna almost have me a heart attack too, damn
to say it was what he was ON at the time is what killed him is just ridiculous... but to stay ON is bad news plain and simple (HEAR ME YOUNGSTERS!) I have a friend who stayed ON for 5yrs straight and it turned his insides to soup, he had heart, liver an kidney damage... kidney failure was what eventually took him out
I would highly doubt his AAS use killed him. MANY things can
happen to us at anytime that can be fatal.
Saying that aas use was not a contributing factor, especially coming from a source, is very disingenuous.
fuark0Now onto zyzz's drugs and aas usage, those are coming from internet sources.
NO ONE will never know the type of gear, drugs, or amount he used.
Only himself would know.
The heart condition would probably be the only legit source cause of his death
since his parents had said it through media.
AAS, rec drugs, or even both could be used together.
Is it SAFE?
No.
AAS and drugs damage the immune system.
Coke while on cycle can do more harm than doing coke by itself.
And with a heart condition, the use of aas, rec drugs, clen, etc,
its likely how he died.
So its not just the "high amount of gear/coke".
Heart condition+AAS+REC DRUGS+ ???? = zyzz's death.
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bro its obvious what killed him was a bad case of dumb-ass-ism,, no hate, im just stating the obvious, the family gets to pick up the pieces.. another sad story
DragonovI read else where he was taking more compounds that all at once.
Dont abuse the Juice if so you'll have a sexy DEAD body
Nothing can really be pinned onto his death, it was caused by several things like his heart condition, recreational drugs, steroids, clen, plastic surgery while in Thailand(possibly may have had an effect) and smoking
BandoleroMost definitly a combination. What freaks me out is the combination of yayo and clen- geezus thats disgusting! People you gotta read the pharmacology and learn how these compounds work in the body. I cant imagine what that feels like cuz blow gets me all snapped out... Id have to get a solid drunk first. Clen fucks with your heart and so does T3 so why not add it to the coke. Then some DNP and a sauna?
I wouldn't even think about using coke with aas. I don't anyways. I used to when I was younger but not while on any aas.
All these comments about him having a heart condition. Of course he had a heart condition. When you mix DNP, T3, and coke with a sauna your heart goes boom. His family won't, even if they knew about the coke and dnp (which they probably didn't) say, "yes, my son was doing cocaine and DNP and sat in a sauna which caused his death". No, they'll say what the end result was. His heart gave out.
Exactly my thoughts.
Zyzz died from Coke OD.
Coke with aas does something to the platelets which multiples your chance of stroke incredibly. I've done coke and bitch several times myself lol
nah, these dosages aren't that crazy to be honest... he had a congenital heart defect, so his steroid use and his recreational drug use (coke, etc) probably didn't help his cause
If I had to pick something to blame, rec drugs would likely be the first thing I pointed my finger at, extacy and/or cocaine mixed with thermos/stims is never a good mix, of course this is just speculation.