+ 8 Remember when we all posted about food and Real talk about AAS
Man I can remember and several of you to can remember when this site had a lot less drama and we got down to business and had real discussions about nutrition and AAS cycles and training regimines and we had fun doing it.... as a group lets drop the conspiracy shit and the hate and lets get back to what this site was for EDUCATION and IDEA SHARING..... lets have fun and people learn how to use the search bar above for answers before posting then if you still cant find the answer you need post up that's why we are here. ive had my gut full of the I hate this mod or I hate this SRC SHIT .. enough is enough we are all grown ass people and should know how by now in life to conduct ourselves in a manner that is productive for the community. LEARN DISCUSS AND LETS HAVE FUN...............that's my thought and motto from this point forward with this site so if you come at me with negative shit I will cock smack you : )
- Bookmark
- 8
- 0
By the look of me at the moment you'd think it was my current diet. "Bulking!"
Wrong forum. ;-)
RustyhookerSorry boss. He said talk bout food.
Come on bro that's a snack
Roid rage is a myth
AnonMan them were the days!
Prayers and vitamins is the way to go
Listen brother say your prayers take your vitamins and WHATCHA GONNA DOOOO WHEN HULKAMANIA RUNS WILD ON YOU!!!
I would really like to see more serious talk about AAS cycles and not just a lot of the cookie cutter cycles that seem to be "safe" to talk about. There are alot of knowledgable people out there but it seems like most of the serious talk about cycling and stacks and how different compounds work together is all watered down now for the safety of all members. It's all done in PM now, which I guess is fine but it could also benefit the whole community if it was being discussed in the open forum.
Honestly not sure if people realise how one dimensional most of the cycle advice is nowadays. I'll be direct, 90% of the guys dishing out advice haven't got the experience to guide. I repeatedly read lines like this:
"You can't run 2 19nors" - I have, I didn't die.
"You can't run two orals" - I'm still not dead.
"Must run tren higher than test" - Another cycle I apparently cocked up then.
See where I'm going. Controversial, but there are cycles successfully run that don't comply with eroids formulae.
Let's not forget the mandatory 2:1 test deca ratio or your dick won't work. ( I know you like it that ratio tho). But I've ran my deca higher then test, equal, 1.5:1 and 2:1. Always felt great. Just get a little fuller with the higher test. There is so much bullshir spewed on this website. I'm gonna start telling people there truth. It's about time we start letting people rjn what they wanna run cause they realize tesr only cycles only work a few times max. I'm getting sick lying to people and convincing them to run bullshir cycles where their proposed cycle would have gotten them much better results. ( not all cases tho sole people really aren't ready for much more then the basics)
An then there's the 25 and hpta damage bullshit broscience. But hey we know best right ? Not my doctor who said the exact opposite. The hpta Is much more likey to recover while it's still developing then one that's finished growing. As the young body is much more resilant. And real world observations says the same.i wonder who came up with that bullshit. I think it's about time we find a new line of bullsht to spew to the under 25 crowd. It's pretty stupid when a 24 year old comes on here lookig better them 90% of the members and he doesn't get any help.
13psp13I would encourage everyone check out the GH15 fourm the bible has taught me so much also so many advanced bodybuilders And physique guys over there that really know there gear and nutrition.There knowledge has definitely helped me make so drastic changes to my body these last few months
The holy grail of no bullshit information. He's spot on 99% of the time. Except the fact he thinks every pro is on 20ius of gh 200ius of slin and 6g of gear. I knkw 1 personally who's never used slin and another who's never used gh. Gh15.org is the is like a bottomless pit of information. You really wanam buld an impressive phyique and do it quickly get accepted to that forum somehow.
The deca 2:1 ration should always be the recommendation for the first few go around's. Then folks should branch off from there and get to know how your body reacts.
Test cycles should be where you always start and then you can branch off from there. I've always had great results from my test only cycles and I've been around for a long time. I've always started and tried to keep things as low as possible and forced myself to rely on food, but that's me.
The 25 and under thing isn't "bro-science". I know plenty of folks who have used aas at a young age and are now trt, myself included. My endo assured me that my early aas use led to where I'm at today and that he see's it frequently. Sure, younger bodies are more prone to recover, but risking it before you've really put in the years of hard work, relying on your own test doesn't make sense to me. The exception to that is someone who is perusing a career in BB. As for the 25 year old rule, you have to draw a line somewhere. If 24 is okay, why not 23 or 21 or 18? As a site, they have to set it somewhere.
This all being said, advanced cycles need to be an integral part of this site. I know there is a group, but it doesn't seem to be used much. I also think that you have helped a lot of people on this site and am not sure why you think you've been lying to people. I don't see it that way is all.
No on eroids it should be the recommendation. On other sites it's 1:1 even high deca low test. It's bullshit. This is not from reading I'm telling you first hand from multiple cycles with nandrolone. And also the experience of many others using the drug.
I agree test cycles should be where you start. But there is nothing wrong with adding dbol to your first cycle so you don't waste 4 weeks waitjnf for test levels to peak. Any sides you get the first few weeks can be attributed to dbol 99% of the time.
Any regular use of aas is most likely going to lead to trt. Hell most old guys have low t and would benefit from it even if they never touched aas. How many 30+ Year old guys you seen stay on for 2 years and come off and recover there test levels? I've seen none. But I've seen a host of guys under 25 do it fine. Fact of the matter is the older you are the less chance you have of recovering. All I was trying to say is the whole cycling before 25 and being more likely to permenant shutdown is broscience. Not one medical study out there that says so. And my doctor confirmed it.
I agree with you tho, if say 24 is okay then why isn't 23 etc etc. I think 21 or 23 is a more realistic age. This is all assuming they've build a base naturally for a few years and are 100% serious about the lifestyle. I don't think anyone should be cycling who doesn't eat sleep and breathe the fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle day in and day out. But it's stupid to turn down a 23 year old who's 5'9 220 lean cause he's to you but let the skinny far 30 year old cycle cause he's at what we call an acceptable age
We should stop tho, the point of this thread was for us to stop bitching, and thats what this thread has turned into, all of us bitching and voicing our displeasure with some of the rules. If this is how they want eroids to be I'm fine with it . I enjoy this place I've made dork good friends I get to help people. I just wish there was some more experiened people posting some advanced knowledge so some of us could learn here to.
This is where the problem lies. Different people, different opinions. I agree with A LOT of the protocols for early cycles. As an example, I disagree with your comment about dbol. That doesn't mean you're wrong, it's perspective. You are inherently more of a risk taker than I, so what you would do personally is different to an old fart like me with young kids etc. I see some of you younger guys pumping slin without going near a stage, I think that's nuts. Perspective, it's different, and there's a lot of different lifestyles and perspectives on this board. Makes this stuff challenging but also offers us the ability to learn more.
The point I was making was probably more towards the more experienced cycles rather than the early stuff. Last thing I want to see is 20 year olds being guided on 3 compound cycles etc.
Ya I totally understand that. Us younger guys are a lot more willing to take risk then guys your age.
As for the insulin thing. Sure slin is very dangerous if youre a total moron and don't do the proper reseach. But if used correctly and responsibly it does little to no ( most likely no) damage to the body. Much less then the effects of the use of anabolic androgenic steroids. If you know what you're doing.
One could argue that it's nuts to be using steroids or gh with no aspirations of stepping on stage. But were all growj men here with goals and plans on attaining them.
The whole early shutdown is a tough one. I recovered from when I used at a young age, but I crashed in my thirties and I was not using and hadn't used since I was young. All I know is that my endo confirmed that it was my early aas use. Would I be okay if I had not used, I just don't know. I just think that it's wise to discourage anyone who hasn't utilized his natural test to the fullest.
I fully agree with you when it comes to cycling. Far too many folks are here and haven't put in the work. Besides putting in years of work, I think putting in that much research is also essential. You need to be fully informed before you enter into this path. I think that eroids and folks like you can help many people along this path, so keep it up!
This. I can understand not wanting newbies to read advice like this and jump on these kinds of cycles three cycles in, but there should be a way to have a section of the forums partitioned off for more knowledgable members. I've seen several forums over the years where your membership granted you access, but you still needed to reach a certain criteria to be granted approval to view parts of the forum, certain threads were simply private to those without the credentials.
I think this would be a good way to enable more advanced cycle talk, that sure can bring controversy, but wouldn't bring the eyes of the 140lb kid putting his second cycle together based off what is posted in those parts.
There is the advanced group. But fuck that. If someone with no cycle advice wants to run an advanced cycle then fuck em. Their problem not ours. But not long ago test deca dbol was a beginner cycle and still is for a lot of people. ( not saying that's advanced tho)
I'll pull out another thing. Why (I obviously know the increased sides are an issue) is there some standard set for how much bf% one should be below to do AAS? Is it a safety issue? If one is bulking for example, and ends up in the low 20s as I have over the past year and a half, are they automatically not supposed to use gear to aid them further? I can understand certain compounds are more pronounced at certain percentages, but if ones diet is in check, training, and they are in the 20s BF wise, what gives? I've only met a handful of powerlifters/strongmen/strength competitors that were below say 15%. In my experience many of the bigger guys only ever got low if they shed to make a weight class. If a powerlifters has 26% BF, and is competing, why wouldn't it be recommended to cycle?
Am I making sense or ranting?
Makin perfect sense. I've cycled with higher bf and never had an issue. Go tell a 320lb nfl lineman he can't cycle cauee he's 25% bf or a pro powerlifter benching 700lbs he's not allowed cause his bf is to high.
Yep!! I have all done exactly the same...except for the 19's, doing that this spring lol!!
Gave you a fat thumb on accident dude but I fixed it so now you got a free pernt from me so +1 I guess....lol
so you meant to NEG me I guess then?!!? LOL
Payback can be a bitch!!
These things happen when u have sausage fingers ....lol
all good...I'm just messing round. Thanks for the finger lol! Reciprocity lies in your future
You better post up a log, very curious to see your experience with the two.
I'm thinking maybe Catalyst is the man to ask...I just agreed with him. He's got WAY more experience than me. I personally have just gone too hard too fast and have since took a backstep as far as mashing compounds together, and doing things 'taboo'. I do take halo and dbol together for pre workout days occasionally tho haha
Yep you're right. I keep all my shit quiet for the sake of some kid thinking it's ok to just run it. Idk...it was the way of things since I got here, advanced cycle ideas weren't to be on blast. And then there's the whole 'advanced cycle' group...lol whatever, THAT whole thing IS for the "cool kids" or the more popular crowd that was here from the onset it seems. A lot of ppl on here that know their shit and imo SHOULD be part of it. If you can prove your track record and be trusted then you should be let in. Idk just my thought
RustyhookerThere's an advanced and taboo group as well. But Noone is typically honest with their monster cycles. Can't have 159 lb 6 ft tall gym rats trying wild runs. They don't even eat. Hit a massive cycle and not grow, blame it on the junk gear. And the pip was horrible!!! 4 cysts because used only glutes! Proof it's junk gear!!!
Why dude? Who cares. If they're that stupid to do something like that them fuckinf let them. You want me to link you to 100 other public forum posts with 4g stacks plus 100ius of insulin ed and 10ius of growth? What are we accomplishing by doijg this? We keep it hidden on this forum and limit our members but one can easily go over to another forum and find all kindas of advanced stacks.
RustyhookerMost of the guys here are basic gym rats like me. Running decent cycle and hitting goals. There's not much npp competitors here running 4 grams with slin. Competitors will go to a comp site. Not here. This was based as a review site. Like it says everywhere. ..This is not a bodybuilding site.
There is no comp site bro! Every site is just like eroids. You have a mix of guys who compete, gym rats, powerlifters, strongman, endurance athletes and guys who just wanna stay fit. There is no competivebodybuilding forum.com. They're all like eroids man. Basically every site the majority of people are just gym rats only a small percentage of people actually compete. You should see gh15.org. The most advanced protocols out theree, you get flamed for taljjgb about pct it's only allowed to blast and cruise, and I bet you 10% compete, just like eroids. All these forums are the same.
yea see exactly^^...the whole play it safe mentality here in a way kinda gives/gave this place the wrong message. Like all those folks on Eroids are a bunch of assholes?...maybe?
It's a fine line. If I do have an answer it's certainly not my place to decide nor do I potentially even want to voice it. What I do know is that I rarely bother to get involved in cycles / cycle logs nowadays, most cycle building advice I do is for a handful of more experienced members. I'll let the guys that have run their first test cycle tell everyone how to run 3 compounds etc. They're the experts......
Yea I hear ya 110%...I operate pretty much the same way. And I'm honest, if I don't know something...I don't try and bullshit. Never ran EQ...so I have NO place commenting. Now if you wanna talk test esters, orals and 19's...then pedal to the metal homey!! haha
I don't like commenting on cycles/compounds/cycle logs etc either. Now if you wanna talk FOOD...your food regime aka 'diet' then I'm all for it. BTW...isn't that really the MOST important aspect of running successful cycles/blasts?!!?
Pffft, I just hit up Bostin Loyd's Twitter for REAL advice.
I've always been intrigued as to what was talked about in these groups, just to learn from these guys about the more complex cycles... But I figured I'd never be let in anyhow. It's one of those mysteries of eroids for me
It's not like much goes on in those groups tho bro. Some good stuff but it's pretty dead most the time.
exactly. x2
the majority of people know the basics. All of it can be googled. It would be helpful to read about more advanced cycles. What you ran, what where the benefits vs what were the negatives. What you might try next time and what you would never do again. This is how the collective intelligence of eroids will be more informed and safer for that matter
Damn right dude. This is probably why vike left. I mean I understand saftey first but where fuckijg with anabolic steroids here most of the time made in some dudes basement. If we were really serous about our health and saftey we wouldn't be messing with this stuff in the first place.
But I will say this. The info available on this site is enogh for most people to become some big mother fuckers. The part that is lacking is diet. There needs to be more emphasis on diet and less on drugs. But I would love to see more advanced protocols posted for the guys who do no how to eat an wanna take it to another level. If the noobs who aren't gaining on 1000mgs ew cause they don't know how to eat wanna try the advanced cycles then let me. It's called natural selection.
And maybe we would attract some serious guys with high levels of knowledge and experience if we stoped flaming anyone who said the word tren. Not to say we don't have some but only a few post.
Agree completely!
Maybe That's my problem im trying to bulk but only eating 1500 calories a day but some guy told me it's what he does
BOOM +2 I agree completely
Because of this "safety" type of attitude is why viking pretty much stopped dropping his knowledge bombs about cycles and compounds. To many newbs thought they could jump into the deep end of the pool withoug learning how to swim first. Every once in a while a knowledge bomb slipped out though and it was like finding a golden nugget.
I soaked up everything he said for the little amount of time he posted while I was here. All gold bro.
He once posted that he was sick of all the safety shit and tren flaming and he was gonna start talking about it all and all the mods shut him down. And thats about the last time he posted about anything drug related. Shit is insane here dudes trying run a dbol kickstart get flamed cause they have to feel the test ojly first when the fact of matter is test e takes so long to build up if you feel side effects then first few weeks you can 99% attribute it to the dbol and know it's not the test causing it. Not to long ago test deca was the typical beginner bulking cylce. Not sadik it's necessary but test dbol is a great first cycle. It's not the least bit excessive and let's you actually get some decent gains while you wait for the long esters to kick in
This was actually my first cycle, test + dbol, and taking all the right precautions and listening to mentors it worked out all right. I was always led to believe test + dbol would be a great first cycle, but for safety reasons I stick to recommending only test first cycle.
The logic behind test only is to learn how you respond to just test. Provlem is it take 4 weeks to reach peak plasma levels so those first 4 weeks sure you have some test in your body but leves aren't quite high enoufh to become problematic. So most of the time sides don't pop up until then. So taking dbol the first 4 weeks and sides become present you can be pretty damn sure it's due to the dbol. You just get more frkm the cycle with the dbol adding some nice lean tissue before the test fully kicks in. Test only is great you can add a lot of size but nothing wil ever compare to your first cycle gains if you do it rigjt so you might as well get the most of it z If if someone wants to cut their first cycle and run winny the last 4 weeks to finish dry and polished. You alresy been on the test for 10 weeks at that point if it's a 12 week cycle and you run the winny weeks 10-14 you already know how the test is effecting you so if you get sides after adding the winny you can be pretty sure it's the winny if it's a new side that wasn't present during the First 10 weeks when you were on just the test.
We tell noobs to reseach using the magnifying glass and they come up with a test dbol cycle with nolva only pct and we tel them there all wrong and didjt do any reaearch but then you look at the stickeys on the steroid cycles section and the beginners cycle suggested is test/dbol and nolva only pct. so they did do the reseach and picked and exacr cycle from our stickys but we tell them there wrong and didn't do any reseach and the eroids suggested first cycle is test only nolva Clomid pct, but our sticky says otherwise. Idk either we need to change what we suggest for a first cycle or update or add new sticky.