Sluggish, tired, and can't sleep during PCT
I just started my PCT about a week ago. I was on a 18 week cycle that went as follows:
Week 1-14: 500 mg Sust and 500 mg EQ
Week 15-18: Ramped up from 50 mg Test P and 25 mg Tren A ED to 60 mg Test P and 50 mg Tren A ED
HCG throughout cycle at 500 ius EW and blasted 1500 ius 3 times before PCT
Last test P shot and HCG dose were 5 days before starting PCT as follows:
Day 1: 300 mg Clomid / 60 mg Nolva / 12.5 mg Aromasin
Day 2-3: 150 mg Clomid / 60 mg Nolva / 12.5 mg Aromasin
Day 4-7: Dropped Clomid to 100 mg and dropped Aromasin after day 4.
I have not been able to sleep since day 2 of my PCT. I feel lethargic, depressed, and have no libido. I am thinking maybe I crashed my E2.
So...I did something that I know I will get a lot of shit for: Thinking that my E2 was nonexistent, I pinned 100 mg of prop to try and get some of the test to aromatize. I feel better today (pinned last night), but still didn't sleep last night. I am going to continue my PCT protocol but drop down to 50 / 30 Clomid / Nolva.
My question is, do you think I could have crashed my E2? On cycle I used .25 mg of adex with great success at controlling E2. Or, do you think this is just the Clomid and Nolva affecting me? I had been sleeping very well up until PCT and I'm grumpy and pissed off about not sleeping.
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StevebBuy some Vlerian root extract, it will help you fall asleep and it wont give you any negative sides.
Who know what clomid doses like that would do to me. I feel crappy on 50mgs a day.
So today (11/18) I feel WAAAAYYY better. I finally slept pretty much through the night. I don't feel all super-depressed anymore. I can even feel the E2 kicking up in my nipples a tiny bit. I'm gonna stay off the AI for another week, then add in the aromasin again at 12.5 mg E3D. I know it's got a short half life, but since it's a suicidal aromatase inhibitor, it should still keep things in check since the majority of the aromatase present at time of ingestion will get bound up permanently.
Are your drugs pharma grade or research? What PCT protocols have you used on prior cycles, and what were the results?
Pharma grade on all from online pharmacy. In the past I've only used research chems for the most part. My results in the past have been not so good. I've had trouble keeping on weight, that's why I chose for a more aggressive PCT this time. I haven't lost any weight yet, so that's promising. And I feel hella better today.
Glad to hear you are feeling much better today! I'm able to recover with smaller doses of serms but always choose pharma nolva and clomid. Maybe throw some torem into the next PCT
Thanks my friend. I used torem (research chem) in the past and did like it. I wanted to go traditional and use only pharma stuff. I took 100 mg of Clomid today and am alright, so I'll continue that for another 5 - 7 days unless I start feeling like crap again.
AnonDude I would be a wreck running that much Clomid. That's just me, but running anything over 100 mg for more than a week has me feeling like shit. Usually have to go 100/50/50/50. Have you run your pct like that before with no issues?
Again its just my personal experience but maybe worth looking into.
No, I never ran my PCT like that before. I read about that "clomid blast" technique from an experienced member of another forum. He claimed that it got him back to normal quicker. I'm gonna do 100 mg a couple more days to remedy being an idiot about pinning the test and then drop it back down to 50. Thanks for your input btw.
AnonI read about dosing it like that as well, tried it, and pretty much ended up just like you lol. Thats why I mentioned it, sounded pretty similar to my situation but within days of dropping the dose i felt much better.
Had the same problem last month during my PCT. Week 1 everything was OK. The next 2 weeks no sex drive and waking up 3-4 times a night. Week 4 started to feel normal again. PCT sucks. We all know it. Just power thru and get it done. And taking a shot of prop was stupid! You should start your PCT again 3 days after the shot. How do you expect to recover your test making ablility when you continue to inject test? Cycle is over, bro. Deal with it. Back to normal for a couple months then you can do it again. Now is the time to make sure you recover properly.
Well, I have not stopped my PCT, I will just keep going as I planned, just run 100 mg of Clomid a few days longer along with the Nolva. I'm sure once I bump the PCT meds down I'll start to balance out.
Yeah, I know, pinning the test was a desperate measure, I will admit. It's not the end of the world, like you said, just keep the PCT going and power through it. Thanks for the reassurance, chunkypbnj.
Brother... Reading thru your post... You're all over the place... I hope you are able to look back in the near future and reflect on this last cycle.
As for your sleep disorder, it comes with the territory. You're battling hormonal imbalances that are yielding these side effects. It takes time for the levels to stave off and give a sense of balance. pct isn't exactly a pleasurable thing but can be made worse by bad compound choices and poor timing.
PallMallWhat is your plan for the whole Post Cycle Therapy?
For sleep issues you could give melatonin a shot..10mg makes me "drowsy/tired" and helps me go to sleep..
I already take prescription sleep aid (trazadone). It always worked before, I just get really agitated before I try to go to sleep and end up all tense and stuff.
PallMallWhat time of day do you workout?
Would you consider switching to a evening or night time workout? It May help.
LennyJust go get blood work. Stick to pct. Check out some sleeping aids.
Thanks bro. I can't readily get blood work from my doctor, there is no way I'd tell him about AAS use. I found a website that sells home saliva swab tests for most hormonal panels. They're only like $45 each, so I may splurge.
And what website is this?
Just do a google search for home saliva hormone test and you'll find them. If you want to test multiple hormone levels, you pay more.
PallMallno no no
privatemdlabs.com ... female hormone panel...
you buy it, go to a labcorp, they take a vial of blood and e-mail you results.
i think labsmd.com is the other one that a lot of guys use
it's a way around your GP and insurance issues that we all want to avoid