posted Thu, 10/02/2014 - 06:07
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TNE Question
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Any recommendation for a really good TNE that actually works? I am looking for a water-based TNE.
I tried TNE(oil-based) 3 different brands from CENSORED and they all gave me PIP. I've been taking Test Prop with no PIP though
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At 22% fat you have a lean body mass of 149 lbs.!! at a height of 5' 11"
Stop with all the drugs.
Stop with all the forum posts about all the drugs.
Stop.
Join the diet clinic at:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
Get your body fat down to around 12% - no drugs
It's gonna be a few years for you in the gym before you have enough muscle to even benefit from anabolics.
BlutoI think cycling low dose test could be a big help. I would run blood work before knowing for sure.
If he has a medical condition that requires he take supplemental testosterone, I'm all for it. It seems to be a mini eroids epidemic lately that people with no muscle mass are looking toward gear as a solution. I'm totally against that idea. It doesn't work in any case either.
BlutoI agree but is low T on fat people a medical condition? Fact is the T is low because of the fat. Then again with low T it is hard to get out of bed let alone care what you eat or if you make it to the gym. I have a son that I did blood work on and lets say he is 16-18 years of age. His test levels was 304. Now the doctors yes I took him to more than one said that it was normal and because of his age they could not do anything about it. Now I have known mine was low for the past 7 years. I know the struggle. When I say low dose I mean very low. 100-250mg pr week. cycling as if it was 1st cycle. Again without blood work this is all a waste of time but I think blood work is the 1st step.
No bro. I know all about TRT since I am a legitimate TRT patient (not self administered). Since I have a nice collection of bodybuilding trophies, I'm not fat either. If he has low T, he needs to see a doctor. He's not a young man and maybe he needs testosterone replacement therapy. If the leadership of this website catches you advising somebody to self administer TRT doses and devise their own program with no medical support, there is gonna be a problem. We don't do that.
BlutoYou are not reading what I am saying. I am saying 1. get blood work. Then if T is low I am not saying go on TRT. I am saying do a low dose cycle to help the fucker get out of bed and get his ass in gym. When cycle is over he will pct and do blood work. Now the low dose Test is just there to bring him up to normal or little elevated levels while he sheds the weight.When weight is gone his natural test levels may increase and life is good. If you are fat TRT maybe the worse thing you could do. Low dose cycle on the other hand maybe the answer to the problem. Then again I maybe full of shit. As far as the leader of this site. What I said everyone should not have a problem with. It sure as hell is not the 1st time I have said it.
The OP should not be playing with steroids with his stats. Period. If he suffers from low T, he needs to see a doctor, not get advice on some low dose Test cycle on here. I got too many Saturday chores to do to argue the point with you. The MODs read everything. They will get to this eventually. I only have 15+ years of AAS experience, Viking has 30+ years. If he agrees with you, then I defer to him and the matter is settled.
BlutoI'm right your wrong. Get over it.
Hes right you are wrong!........... what you are talking about is a gamble with self administered test with no real proof of the outcome........... what gearhead is saying is that if the guy has a problem with T he should see a real Doctor....... that my friend is the proper and intelligent way of dealing with the problem...... here at eroids we refrain from steering people to self administer anabolics for what could be a serious medical problem (he could have hyperthyroidism for all we know) for safetys sake stick with giving your opinions regarding sport/fitness issues NOT medical problems which we could make far worse by giving poor or totally unwarranted advice/opinions........ i hope everyone reads this post because what i just wrote is a major factor in eroids anabolic advice policy.
BlutoYou failed to read my post about blood work 1st. Then you assumed I am telling the guy to go on trt when in fact I want him to avoid it until truly needed.
BlutoNo I am still correct and you did not read what I wrote. you are wrong too because you fail to read my post. I am sure you are clueless what weight gain does to test levels but I bet your not clueless on what low test feels like. A person that has low t from being overweight does not belong on trt. They belong on a diet and excersise program. Now know what a shitty feeling it is to have low t you know that it takes a trained mind to get the fuck up and do anything. You know depression is bad. Now a fat person who is depressed will get fatter. That is just the way it is. My suggestion is after blood work going on a low test cycle. Not trt. Just a very basic 12 week cycle. This will help depression and get him rolling in right direction at the same time increasing his ability to produce natural test. Now maybe he does need trt in the end but trt is not safe and should be the last resort.
First, I am not fat or overweight. Nor depressed. I have a great meal plan created by my trainer, an IFBB Pro. Very well known. I mean, very..well....known.
I go to the gym at least 4x a week. 2 of them with the trainer.
Listen!............ me reading what you wrote or not as the case may be is not the point i am making here............. my point is eroids policy about NOT advising anabolic use when certain people should take professional advice ie a Doctor.
You are talking yourself in circles here bro............... and you just touched a fkn nerve by calling me "clueless" .. i suggest you just shut the fuck up now before this thing goes pear shaped.
Give it a break, bro. Your insolence is making me ill and angry and I'm gonna neg you -2 for continuing to give bad advice. Just so you know, at eroids, the MODs end the conversation on the threads. After they have weighed in, it's over. We don't keep going on and on and on . . .
BTW, the OP is now under a doctor's care and is starting TRT.
BlutoNo big deal I negged the shit out of your stuff when you fist joined. By the way a doctor does not know shit about hormones. Getting trt from a Dr is foolish. Endo is the only way to go. By the way I am still correct.
I tried to warn you but you just cannot keep your fkn big mouth shut for even a minute.......... your comments to me i took lightly but just mentioning the negging thing is against the rules so thats a legitimate reason to ban you again............. stay away now if you come back again you will be banned on sight.
Ha. Water based test will murder you then
No source or lab talk in the forums. Acquaint yourself with the rules. FYI if oil based TNE gives you pip, water based test suspension is likely to be way worse.
BlutoPerfect answer. Water based would make him cry
Edit out the brand name. There is a whole section of this site dedicated to finding reliable sources. Not in the forums.