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Need help with cycle!

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OK, so this will be my fourth cycle. I want to do the following:

Week 1-15 500mg Sust
Week 1-15 500mg EQ
Week 5-16 500mg HCG

Now I know that EQ should be stopped before the Sust, but how much earlier? And when should I start PCT?

PCT will be from G&Cs Ultimate PCT
Aromasin 12.5mg Daily continuing the two weeks between last test shot and PCT
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily

I will be using Nolvadex at 50 and 25 mg doses since I have 25mg capsules.

My goals are just a simple lean bulk. I know that EQ will help me with cardio so hopefully that will allow me to push harder and get leaner. I'd like to gain 5 lbs of muscle that I KEEP and drop a few pounds of body fat.

Let me know what you all think.

blackmetaljon's picture

Wassup everybody! Back with an update to my weight/cycle. Up from 164 lbs (a true 164) at start of cycle, now at a true 180 lbs. Still punishing the power shakes AM and PM along with 3 decent meals throughout the day. I have about 5 weeks of long-estered oils left, then a week after last Sust pin I will start with 70 mg prop EOD until 5 days before PCT start.

My weight seemed to be increasing pretty quickly for a while, then plateaued at around 175 for like 3 weeks. Then bam, started going up again at around week 9. Maybe that's the EQ finally adding some bulk to me. Or it's just the fall/winter metabolism slow down starting. I also have been using IGF-1 lr3 at 40 mcg ED just as an experiment. I use it immediately after my workout, then slam some quick carbs and protein. Definitely get the hypoglycemic feeling from it when I take it at night on non-workout days, so I'm pretty sure it's legit. It was a free sample so I thought what the heck. It has definitely already made an incredible impact on recovery time.

blackmetaljon's picture

Thanks for all the encouragement y'all. I'm having surgery on Thursday to fix my sinuses up (badly deviated septum, trouble breathing through nose). This will keep me out of the gym for about a week, then slowly get back up to full speed. Will keep cramming in the calories. Update again in a couple weeks. Peace!

blackmetaljon's picture

Yo everybody. Just an FYI. I've been drinking two of those beast shakes from the link that rolltide3 posted. In two weeks I've gained 7 lbs. That shit is working like a charm! Yes, of course some of it is fat, but it's gonna happen while bulking. Started cycle last week, Sust 500mg/wk and EQ 500mg/wk. Looking at 195 by end of cycle. I'll keep you all posted.

rolltide3's picture

Hell Ya bro keep killing it plus one

suzy b MRS viking's picture

Fantastic, now thats what we call real gains, just imagine what this cycle will produce once the test kicks in and you keep the cal intake this high? sky is the limit to be honest, some of our young guys are climbing towards 280 290 300lbs on these extreme diets.

rolltide3's picture

http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/for-guys-that-seriously...

If u want to gain weight drink two of these a day and keep eating

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Check you out pulling karma from my work lmfao!

rolltide3's picture

Lmfao didn't get no karma from this think it was op. Hey I'm no fool when u post such a helpful piece of info. The whole community can use I'll post it for them but from now on I will put a disclaimer saying no credit goes to me but the mastermind behind the article lmao

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

disclaimer saying no credit goes to me but the mastermind behind the article lmao

No No........... im only joking bro................ you grab as much karma as you can! i dont care : LOL

rolltide3's picture

I knew u was joking. But on a side note I've used that link every single time I see someone that say that can't gain weight imo it's on of the best bits of Info on here. Seems like that is a reoccurring theme I see everyday with new guys.

blackmetaljon's picture

That is some awesomely powerful information there. I will start with those tomorrow after I hit the grocery store. Thank you much!

irongame427's picture

Ok so all together this is about a 25 week ordeal between the cycle and pct. and you want to keep 5lbs of muscle. I will put 12lbs of muscle on you naturally in that same amount of time 100%. Your 171lbs. The bigge your get the harder it is to gain muscle but when your a beginner still and very far from your genetic potential which i would assume yours is over 200lbs you can still gain muscle at a very fast rate like 2lbs a month plus an increase in glycogen stores that new muscle will hold so I would bet I could put 15-17lbs of fat free mass on you during that time 10-12 being pure dry muscle tissue. And this isn't even your first cycle smh. Forget about steroids for a while and pm me and I will get you on a good diet and training program because right now your not. It's not possible to not gain weight, you eat more then you burn and you gain. That's it, hit the right macros and your gains will be mostly lean.

blackmetaljon's picture

FR sent. Give it to me. I'm ready and willing.

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blackmetaljon's picture

Thanks for all your input. I do know that diet is king. However on my last cycle I was around 4500 cals a day and only gained about 5 lbs total after PCT. I will NEVER weigh 215 lbs and be lean. IMHO it is impossible. I have increased my bodyweight by 40% in the past 5 years. Can anyone else say that? I don't think so.

irongame427's picture

Not trying to be a dick, by I increased mine by 65% at my biggest before I started cutting. 130-215. And I did it in 3 years. 85lbs bro. And it's all due to food. I've one one true bulking cycling. My second one my gear was all underdosed and I was coming back from an injury so all the weight I gained on it was muscle memory. I had to eat and then eat till I was sick and then eat some more. I'm literally always stuffed, it sucks. But the only thing I hate more then feelin sick all the time is not getting results in the gym. You can do it to.

rolltide3's picture

Lol eight years ago I weighted 175 ta 180pounds now I'm sitting at 270. Here the truth if u don't like it u will stay in this pattern of never succeeding and putting on some serious size. It's your diet u are not eating enough plain and simple. U think u are but u are not

irongame427's picture

Are you sure you don't have a medical condition? Cause I have a fucking fast metabolism and when I was 170lbs I made great gains on 3800 cals. I think your overestimating your intake.

blackmetaljon's picture

Whats real fucked up is I have hypothyroidism and have to take synthroid. My breakfast alone is 900 calories. I'll track it the next couple days ok and update on this post.

irongame427's picture

900 calories is a normal size breakfast man. i try to get eve more then that. Your definitely overestimating your cals by alot. On 4000 a day you'll gain. I was gonna ask you if you were hyper thyroid, didnt even cross my mind that you could be hypo.

blackmetaljon's picture

So can you help me with a diet? That would be awesome.

irongame427's picture

Ya man ofcourse. give me like a day cause I'm also doing he diet of like 10 other people. You will gain on 4000 calories. Not an estimated 4000 calories, a true 4000 calories.

vhman's picture

Stats
Age: 37
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 171
BF: 11%
"OK, so this will be my fourth cycle"

I'm not trying to blast you here, but you're 6'1" and only 171 lbs and you've done three previous cycles. Even if you're goal is to stay lean, that is very underweight for your size. I'm just an inch taller than you and have similar BF numbers and I'm 215 and lean. You really should be much heavier right now. Your diet is what concerns me. Anything that can explain where you're at weight wise?

blackmetaljon's picture

Right now I'm at 3000 calories a day. I really can't eat too much more than that since I am almost never at home due to my schedule. Work, gym, NA meetings at night. I'm home for sleep and then another 4 hours total.

irongame427's picture

Then don't do steroids. They do not spontaneously grow muscle, it's still built from food. It just makes you gain it faster when you have a good diet.

vhman's picture

Right now I'm at 3000 calories a day.

There's your problem right there. That is a diet/cutting number, not a muscle building number. You can harp on genetics all day long, but until you significantly raise your caloric intake, you will never gain any weight. My advice would be to not run anything and find a way to eat more. Everyone here is super busy in life, but we find a way to make it work. Go spend some time in the diet section and get some help from Catalyst. You're just throwing money down the drain running gear right now with your diet.

Try these links out: http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/for-guys-that-seriously...

rolltide3's picture

Boom just seen u posted the same link as me plus one

vhman's picture

Good work RT.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

No offense, but you can take all the gear you want, but if you aren't matching it with calories then it's for nothing. It'll disappear as quick as you put it on. Not trying to dissuade you, but your gonna have to figure out a way to get more calories in if you want to grow.

blackmetaljon's picture

What do you suggest I eat for on the go stuff? I am willing to try anything so help me out.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Cans of tuna, chicken breast will stay good for a while. Put it in some Tupperware and throw and ice pack in there. Almonds, hard boiled eggs. Even cooked rice I use some A1 for flavor.

blackmetaljon's picture

OK. When I was a child, up through my teens, I was in the 1 percentile for weight for my height. I used to weigh 125 lbs at 6' tall and I was not sick or malnourished. Fucking genetics bro.

irongame427's picture

And I was 6ft 130 at 22 yyears old and I thought I ate a lot to. But guess what? When I started tracking it I realized how little I awed actually eating. At my biggest I was 215 befoe i started cutting. If I can do it so can you.