Need help with gyno
Hey guys need a little bit of help. I took a pro hormone about 3 months ago, along with Deprogen (anti estrogen) while on it, and used the recommended PCT to boost natural test back and help block estrogen. I was fine up until about a week ago, and now my nipples are puffy and sore and hurt when pushed against. I can't really tell if there is a lump as it seems to be very small if there is. I went to my local supplement shop and picked up some Nolvadren (an anti estrogen and natural test booster) to see if it would help and it seems to be helping a little bit. I went to the doctors about an hour ago and he wants to send me for a blood test to check my test, estro, and prolactin levels.
My libido seems to be fine, I am still having sex fine and still keeping it up perfectly fine.
My question is, what can be used to help this? I was thinking of ordering some nolvadex, but should I stack it with Clomid to avoid the test crash? I know all about the letro but wanted to try and avoid something that harsh for now as my lumps aren't too big, if there are any lumps at all and its not just swollen.
I have been reading up on this forum a lot and read where someone took 40mg of nolvadex and noticed the symptoms go away after a day, and continued for a few more days just to assure it was gone and 20mg on the last day.
Am also reading about Raloxifene. Can I use this if my estrogen levels are all intact? Reading that 60mg a day before bed will help reduce it.
Any help would be great !!!
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Any other suggestions? Currently on 1/2 a Letro every other day and 40mg of nolva. Feeling good, libido is fine still and seem to be a little higher so I believe test is going up. Today is the first day I jumped up to 40mg of nolva, the past 2 days I have been at 20mg but now that I am at 40mg I feel much better. A lot less sensitive and seems to be completely cleared on the right which wasn't big to begin with, but we will see how it goes on the left.
OK I GOT MY BLOODS BACK !!
Estrogen -- 120
Prolactin -- 9.6
Testosterone -- 454
My doctor is saying these are all in check but isn't estrogen supposed to be lower than that??
I have 20mg Nolva tabs, should I start tonight? My guy is telling me to run 20mg for 2 weeks, then 10mg for the next 2 weeks with some letro thrown in the last 2 weeks.
This sound good?
Just an update. Bloods will be back tuesday, got delayed from holiday weekend.
Gyno is pretty much cleared up from the Nolvadren. No pain and no lumps. I still have the nolva and letro but most likely gonna save it. Like mentioned below i am gonna wait for bloods before i take any more "drugs".
I did find a new doctor though that deals with a lot of body builders in my area. Has a ton of experience with anabolics and everything needef to always keep levels in check so i will be going to him from now on !!
Good Man. Sorry for the rant on your post, lately there has been some stupid advice going around, not all of it was bad below just a couple things got to me. We like to play it safe here and want whats best for your health. We want you to succeed in all aspects of this game, not just growing...
There is so much wrong with this thread it's pathetic! I have an idea-your 24, stop taking drugs. Stop listening people you have never met, Go to a Dr and man up, tell him the story and he/she will fix you up. The rest of you knuckheads stop telling this guy to take more drugs that he and judging by the recomendations you have layed out you don't know what the fuck your talking about! In this one thread you guys have recomended a 24 year old who at this point is growing tits about 10 different drugs...SMH...Iron game is 100% correct. The over the counter shit is just that, it's shit...Go to a doctor, get bloods, female horemone panel, and let them fix you up!
I agree with the guys in here recommending Letro. I def get letro when/if I start to feel some gyno coming on. Everyone is different and I don't pretend to be an expert, so I won't tell you how you should take it, but I will tell you that I have had straight up lumped gyno behind my nip, and watched it disappear with the proper scaling and use of letro. It was gone pretty quick too.
Just an update here. Got my bloods done today and just picked up some nolva and Letro. Gonna wait till I get the results back to start anything but the NOLVADREN (anti estrogen/nat test booster I got from local supp store) seems to be helping because 90% of the pain is gone. Still a little puffiness but the pain is almost gone and not as sensitive.
My guy said to run the Nolva 20mg a day for 2 weeks, then 10mg for another 2 weeks and if I still have the pain or slight lump, on the last 2 weeks throw 2.5mg letro in (split up into 2 doses, 1/2 on monday 1/2 on thursday).
This sound good? Guy is very knowledgable and knows everything on what he was talking about.
Hey phil what were your E2 levels?
mands
Waiting on the results that should be here tomorrow. If estro is high then gonna start the nolva
I'm anxious to see where you are at when the results come back.
mands
sounds good but im not to positive on letro being dosed every 3 days. might have to dose ed but im not 100% sure so wait for someone a little more knowledgeable on the subject
If I were you I would get your labs and see what's going on. I would start Nolva if you can at 40mg for the first week and drop it down to 20mg for another 3 weeks. I would think this would be your best bet. I've seen studies that Nolva can reduce small sized gyno under a certain centimeter but only real way to get rid of it, it it's indeed gyno is surgery.
Stay away from PH please.
mands
100mg a day for 5 days of masteron P than 50mg a day for 5-10 more. clear it right up but it will make your joints sore and you will be bitchy. you will need to do some reboot, but it clear up the gyno and get all that excess estrogen in check. I see this scenario all to often with guys playing with PH's. i used them once and will never do it again. I had a hell of a time with post cycle and gettting my willy to work again. most horrible experience i have ever had when comparing to AAS.
Hey man , i have had a similar issue as you. Took a PH and about 2 months after i developed gyno. Its now three months later and i have tried alot of things, Nolva, aromasin, letro, prami, i started the nolva at 40mgs for a month and it did take away the burning and itching but didnt reduce the lumps. The letro and prami seemed to help the most. My lumps havent gone away but i would say they reduced in size atleast 70%. SO my pain has gone away 95% and reduced in size by around 70% in three months of trial and error.
What i would sugest to you is just try the letro. I would do a letro and prami run for a few weeks but start nolva now so it wont get any worse. Thats what worked for me. Good luck man its been a stressful three months for me so hopefully my experience can help you.
Get bloods done get a female hormone panel and add prolactin and that will tell you exactly whats wrong.
How much letro did you run for those few weeks
Thanks for the insight man!! Helps a lot seeing someone else that took a pro hormone with some info. I am not too concerned about the lumps as of right now as they really aren't big at all and cannot be seen, and I also do not plan on taking another hormone for a while and may just consider test in the future.
I am going to try the nolva and Rolax. I am mainly concerned with the pain and sensitivity at the moment as its very aggravating. You said the nolva helped relieve that? They seem to be better this morning but I am still going for the bloods on monday and gonna try some nolva at 40mg a day to relieve the pain, then try some rolax to remove the lumps.
nolva didnt help with the physical pain but it did help relieve the burning and itching sensation. the only thing that helped me with the pain was letro and prami. i had high estro and prolactin. that pain is quite bothersome hope you get rid of it.
I would hop on nolva asap. before it worsens. Oh and dont fuck around with research chemicals, thats what got me into this issue in the first place. If you can go with pharma grade products or atleast a well known ugl.
Ok just an update here. Pain is not as bad (still using the Nolvadren I got from the local supp store), but I can confirm that I do have a small lump behind my left nipple. The pain isn't as bad as of right now, I can push it and rub it without a sharp pain.
Still going for the blood test on monday, was also going to order some Nolva and Ralox. Should I try the Nolva first at 40mg a day? Or go straight for the Ralox at 60mg a day?
TurtleMansToothRalox and aromasin my help
You need to stack an AI with a SERM
Breast issue is estrogenic and survives and grows on estrogen. So starve it out by blocking it
Aromatase Inhibitors like adex aromasin and letro will only stop androgens from converting to estrogen
A selective estrogen receptor modulator will work at the site (nips) to block estrogen. Free estrogen from alcohol (especially beer) marijuana even plastic adds free estrogen to your body
Stack both. Id recommend aromasin and raloxifene
Also you need some androgenic tissue at the site of the estrogenic tissue. Build more chest muscle basically.
Hit some cardio to relieve water retention that could exasperate your puffiness. Your hormones aren't balanced
I dont know much about that prohormone but your prolactin is more than likely raised. You'll have to fight it with dopamine via pramipexole or cabergoline
Research the things mentioned above but dont do anything till you see your bloods
Good luck bro
I have been reading a lot about the results of the Ralox. Would the generic brand stuff be good enough? Its all I can find. Could it be the amount of beer I have been drinking that maybe caused this to happen so many months later? I just find it annoying that nothing happened on or post cycle but I'm getting pain now at 3 months later.
I am going for my bloods on monday. What is recommended if all my hormones are in balance (estro, test prolactin)??? Stick with the Ralox? Want to try and stay away from the Letro for now
None of those over the counter AIs are gonna do a thing for you. Nolva will prevent any more growth of your breast tissue, but it will not reverse any that has already occurred. I wouldn't suggest messing with anymore hormones until you turn 25. But whats done is done. What did you take? If you've already developed a lump you have a little bit of time to reverse it before it becomes permenant. So do you have a lump or are they just sensitive?
I took Tren-a-stane from Chem tek labs. I just felt and there is maybe a pee sized lump under my left nipple but nothing under the right. The left is the main problem, the right one barely bothers me. Wont the soreness go away if I take nolva? I can't deal with this sensitivity its driving me nuts and making me think about it 24/7