posted Wed, 08/13/2014 - 03:54
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Gyno - Advice needed - Aroma+Nolva.
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Hi guys, wasn't 100% sure where to post this.
I'm running the following cycle:
1-12 500mg Test E
9-12 30mg Dbol
.12.5mg Aromasin EOD
PCT: Nolva/Clomid.
It's week 10 and I'm starting to get some gyno in my right pec, pea sized lump and little bit enlarged and puffy. Left pec is completely clear.
Started 3 days ago:
20mg Nolva ED (I read that 20mg ED is as good as 40mg for gyno, not sure if thats correct)
.12.5mg Aromasin ED
Do I need to up my doses of Nolva/Aroma?
Stop the Dbol completely or lower dosage?
I can get letro but will take a week to get here, is 3 days simply not enough time to see reversal of gyno?
Thanks guys and sorry for the noob question.
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Drop dbol. I only run it when my e2 is low. I run eq or primo to keep mine low with my test. 2 to1 is working good for me. Then l run low dbol daily. Dbol is fun but you cant run it unless low e2 imo.
Not smart. Running d-bol on the tail is not smart, your asin protocall is wrong split dose daily 6.25. ea- drop the d-bol. Letro is better, I would try and get some Mast. It works wonders. You got your body used to borderline high end of estro through your test cycle and then shocked it by adding d-bol to it without adding any AI which was dosed wrong to begin with. Start the nolva, 40mg a day, get your estro under control, if you cant do that toss the rest of the test as well and go into pct. Just my 2 cents, good luck man, DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND LAY YOUR CYCLES OUT,... WE WILL HELP YOU.
I would personally up the aromasin to 25mg ED and not start the dbol.
Letro will not reverse existing gyno if it's actually gyno. I would start your nolva at 20mg ED and finish up your cycle.
Sounds like the Aromasin at 12.5mg ED was not enough for you to control your E2 sides. Always do labs to see where you are and adjust from there.
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question about dbol and controlling bloat, estro related issues (this is not for me, my 1st cycle is finalized and soon to be ordered; test only. Im just curious as I may choose to try it on my 2nd cycle).
due to the fact that much of the effects of the drug are due to elevating estrogen levels and causing that large amount of fluid retention (among other things of course), would it be worth a shot using nolva at like 10mg or so during the dbol kick so you can get that fluid retention from the increased estro but reduce the risk of developing gyno? then when the kick is over, start your AI and drop the nolva? and if the high estrogen is causing issues, could you run asin (I believe there is an intention between nolva and adex that reduces adex's efficacy?) with the nolva?
I'm just basically thinking, running dbol:
-just nolva- get the estro advantages of the drug, block the estro from causing issues such as gyno
-just AI- dose could be varied of course so as to not drop estrogen too low, but in the end you're decreasing one of the means by which the drug gives the results it does
so if the estrogen isn't causing problems you can deal with for a few weeks, is nolva with maybe a very low AI (asin, just to drop estrogen levels a touch but keep the water weight) perhaps a better way of going about getting the most out of the compound? I realize this is kinda treating symptoms vs the cause, and of course a clean low sodium diet as well as maintaining good overall health can't be emphasized enough, but again for getting the most out of dbol, does this seem reasonable?
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Stop Dbol immediately if you have not done so already. Wait for advice from the members who have experience with this.
How many cycles you ran? I see you posted stats on your bio page at least...but the more info the better.
Why did you run dbol at the end? And asin needs to be taken ED not EOD...and even better split dose am/pm and this wouldn't have happened. Just jump off completely with the dbol. Not even worth, the right idea at tail end of a cycle. Dbol is a kickstart or pre-workout NOT a finisher.
I would say yes you could try to run the nolva at 20-40mg/day until gyno seems to subside but get your asin dialed in better. That's a shoddy way to run it. Take 12.5mg split...6.25 in am and 6.25 pm.
Letro is best...idk if nolva will work as good. Too bad you don't have masteron on hand...that shit was developed for breast cancer growth I believe. It actually reverse growth and stops anything new
Thanks for the reply, the reason I ran dbol was due to it being lost by my supplier and then sent late.
I read up and lots of people ran it at the end of cycles/mid cycles etc. fine so I thought i'd give it a go.
Don't hate me but say I kept on the dbol and ran with the nolva/asin for a few days would I be safe with the gyno? If my gyno didn't start to diminish by then I could just cut the dbol completely.
Not very smart. Just STOP the dbol. You have a flare up...you are just feeding fuel to the fire if continuing. Your choice, I/We can only make advice known
Yep stopped, ordered some Letro in case I need it as well.