+ 12 Wtf has happened to Eroids?
I used to stay pretty active here and spent a lot of time in the logs. For the last year or so, I've been on the road chasing jobs, so I've not been on much. All work no play gets old.
Since I've been back I've noticed a lot of things changed. Names are different. People have left. Tolerated age groups for giving advice have changed.
Biggest thing I've noticed is the quality of the advice.. For example, parroting is something that will always be part of any forum. Although I can't stand the shit, it is what it is. Problem is that most of the bird chirping comes for inexperienced guys wanting to gain experience and sound like they know wtf they're doing.
Generally the parroted advice is pretty general with shit like AI and hcg doses. It's bad enough we have dudes on their first cycle trying to tell folks they should blast hcg during pct and rectally administer their orals bc they kick harder. But when did we star telling these guys it's ok to add more than one new compound to their second cycle? Or even worse, that it's ok to not use an AI unless they need to??
Browsing the cycle logs, I see a guy popping up on every one of them. Telling folks how they should run dbol, Tbol, hcg, AI's etc. Then I come across his own log. He's on his first cycle of test only... Never touched dbol, Tbol, hcg, and hardly even knows how to use an AI. No big deal right? He's just trying to help... But then I see his draft for second cycle. 3 new compounds and no AI. I ask wtf? His answer was that this is what he was advised by some higher level members; multiple new compounds and substitute his AI for proviron.
Did I miss the fkn memo??
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Someone negged you on this? Fucking ridiculous... Personally I don't click much on the cycle logs.. when i posted my own I got tons of bs advice as well as some great advice.
Doss is a very experienced member and I have been watching him since I first logged on here sometime last year.. I 100% guarantee he will be backed by anyone who has any clue of what the fuck they are talking about on this board. So sit back, slow the fuck down and take in the info.. we are all blessed to have this site and the extraordinary members who inhibit it.
The neg was an Accident..It was fixed.
OK, quick question. I have been looking into the whole rectal administration of orals and was just wondering if I still needed to drink a glass of water with them?
But seriously this thread is starting to turn into a bit of a pissing match it seems. The way I see it, it is just as much the responsibility of the person requesting advice to be studious enough to formulate the 'right' way to do something. I mean it is the internet and any advice should be taken with a big grain of salt. The advice isn't being given on a personally one-on-one manner like say a coach would. Most of it is blanket info/advice with a disclaimer that one must figure his or her own best usage of AAS.
I think about it this way. If someone asks for help with say squatting technique can anyone truly give coaching advice on how he or she should squat? I mean you will never see this person actually squat. So can you correct: the setup? how about the foot placement? do you know what his or her hips are doing? are they maintaining proper posture? The answer is really no. All one can do is give say what has worked for them personally. Maybe some general tips but unless you are with them in person and also understand the mechanics of it any advice is limited.
Now am I saying advice on AAS usage over the interwebs is a bad thing? No, not at all. I just think bad advice on any topic will always be floated around. And at the end of the day each person is just as responsible for making the best informed decision he or she can make as the person giving advice is on having the knowledge and experience to give it. Like its been said below with the Rich Piana advice on using HCG only for PCT. Anyone watching that video should be able to find out what HCG actually does and why HCG only PCT is not a good idea.
AnonPretty sure it's been said a hundred times….. If you don't have adequate personal experience with a compound/ancillary/whatever - not just reading but actually having cycled with it - then don't advise others on how to take said drug. At all. General information sure but full on advice no. Say what you know to be true through experience ( for your body anyways ) then leave the door open for someone else to chime in on that drug/protocol/layout you haven't tried yet. I know what a standard PCT looks like for example, it's not like it's complicated, but I don't PCT myself and thus won't speak on the matter at all. I pass those PMs over to members (very few) I trust or leave my comment open stating a need for clarification on whatever detail it may be - usually PCT/ancillary use.
I don't comment really anymore ( used to ) due to my age + the fact that most people don't seem to listen anyways….. but any layout I have advised on is with drugs I've both cycled with and used in a similar enough layout to be relatable to OP.
I know this post isn't about me just giving my thoughts on advice giving in general, not directed towards anyone.
X2 I don't offer any cycle advice unless it is to tell someone they are way the fuck off with dosages... There was a post a long long time ago about who should be giving advice. Due to my age and the fact ill be starting only a 3rd cycle in the coming weeks I avoid it. However, ill gladly tell someone they are not training or dieting correctly! Lol
I don't care how experienced you are or how much karma u have doss..last 2 times I have spoke with u you have done nothing but critique and offer no helpful advice..so why don't u try helping instead of flaming..
I'm glad that my winter bulk rough drafts post fcked ur day up enough to make a post about it..half the time u are on here you do nothing but pick peoples cycles apart..I am a beginner I understand this..and when I "parrot" information its to try and help people..its a form of learning if you haven't noticed..that's how people learn, they take advice from others..but I don't come up with the shit myself. So instead of crying about inexperienced people and what they post how about you help them out and quit being a dick.. when I give people advice its for their 1st cycle..I have never given advice to anybody who had more cycles under their belt than me..if u had even read my log post and the guys I spoke with they advised what compounds to take and what not to take..I am on my first cycle, and after 10 weeks of test only I decided to add Proviron the last 6 weeks and do a hcg blast after my cycle..I know how my body reacts to the test and provi and for you to make a post and complain about members who are inexperienced is childish.and u say I have no a.i in my light also? Once again if u read what was said u will see that I have aromasin on hand..so after talking to the people who u trust I have decided to run 750test a week with a prop kicker.WITH 6.25 aro ed and I will run 500 iu hcg a week..and i may add provi in towards the end also
Oh it didn't fuck my day up at all. What got me was when you said you chose this garbage because you were given advice to do so by some of the guys on your post.
Yes, I pick people's cycles apart. I've been doing it for several years, and 99% of the time, you take what i say to the bank. You may not like my approach or tactics but you can fkn bet that it's about benefitting the guys running me cycles. Not me.
I could give two shits less if you grow tits, get covered in acne, or your dick stops working. That's your call homie, and i promise to not lose any sleep over it.
The points I was trying to make to you was that you have no place telling folks to do a 10 day blast before pct, or how to dose dbol or Tbol, or anything else that you have no experience with. Dude, you don't even know how to use an AI or what estro sides you deal with. But I promise you one thing: you def will after you run that shit! I can't wait to see the bloodwork because it might surprise you to know that dbol and hcg both convert to estrogen, and the 6.25 mg of aromasin that all of a sudden appeared in your log isn't gonna do shit to help. Lol
I have never given any advice on dosage of tbol or dbol..sovim not sure where your coming up with that shit. On my log I asked about the dosage..u will never find any post from me giving advice on tbol or dbol..and when I'm told about doing an hcg blast by a respected member then ya I'm going to pass it on if it will help someone..and ur going to tell me that I don't know what an a.i is and what estro sides are? Are u kidding me..I've had my estro issues my first cycle, and I also was able to get rid of them using my aromasin..I had it at 12.5 ed which was to much and crashed my estro, I then changed it to 6.25 ed and have had no issues whatsoever.. so continue to pick apart peoples cycles, and I'll go ahead and get help from people who care to help people and not just try to make them feel stupid.
Listen... This thread wasn't started to put you on blast, otherwise I'd have just put your name. Although I used your log as an example, it wasn't just that occurrence that I was referring to. It's several by multiple ppl bc it's now a trend. We used to be about helping people make the right choices not misguiding ppl so they can misguide others. Your case is a prime example and only an example.
I'm not trying to turn this into a pissing contest, bc I got issues and have piss like a mofo. I'll say this: I get frustrated when I see misinterpreted info being relayed to inexperienced ppl and more so when it's by inexperienced people. It's not your fault entirely bc you're going by some things you've been told.
I post in the logs and "pick cycles apart" bc I try to help people. It's not about me at all and I'll always take time to help someone. So, if you want help, I'd be happy to explain what holes I see in your cycle. If not, no sweat.
But the points to be made is that your approach is not a beginner level approach and you are a beginner. I didn't mean you don't know estro sides. What I mean is you don't know which ones you get from which doses bc trust me not all doses yield the same. Hcg will shoot your estro up higher. Dbol will also. You said yourself you struggled a bit the first run. You're gonna struggle more with this one. I promise you.
I'll make a deal with you. I'll lay off and won't flame you for giving advice, IF, you tell people you haven't ran it but have heard whatever you've heard. Then leave the door open for people who have ran it to elaborate. Deal?
Ok deal..I'll make sure to say it from now on. I apologize for getting hyper about it.
i dont know man, i would say that guys that havent used certain things have no business giving advice on it in any circumstances.
Well, I agree but i think there's a difference with how it's given. When you tell someone, "run your cycle this way" you're advising them. But when you suggest something this way, "I've not ran it but I've read or heard that guys do it this way for this reason." Then you leave the door open for them to keep searching and make an informed decision. And he's letting them know he's not speaking from experience. Personally, I can respect that.
I agree with everything you said except for one and that's AI. If you've spent time on other steroid forums you realize evevery forum has there own set of necessities. On one forum your a fucking idiot if your not using hcg, on another like here it's not required, on another forum you keep an ai on hand, on here you use it from the start. And on each of these forums each member feels exactly the same you do. It's necessary, you must use it. So with they said I would never ever use an ai on a simple test cycle. And I would never suggest using one either. First off you will never learn your body if you use one. You will never know if your prone to those side effects. And you can't expect a noob to dial in an ai dose properly. And I'm not even convinced that keeping your estrogen in normal range when your test levels are 10 times normal is best for growth. Nobody understands how much estrogen effects muscle growth. I've done it both ways. Overall muscle gain, not weight is alwuys significantly higher with no and my blood work has always shown I've dialed in my dose perfectly. You won't ever catch me using one unless my Bp goes up, I start getting moody, gyno or bloated as hell. But if not symptoms arise forget it.
Oh and lastly what do you mean recto administration of orals isn't best for absoption? You mean I been sticking pills up my ass 3 times a day for nothing.
I agree but only to an extent. Like you I've also spent time on other forums and you're absolutely right in what you've said about them.
I've been on Eroids for 3-4 years now. And one difference that made me stay here was the lab pics and cycle log features. It's enabled us to compile data and information to recognize patterns and biological trends, which can also guide to case studies where similar data has been compiled and interpreted. That means more science and less broscience.
You're right that estrogen plays an important role in growth. Def not disputing that. What I disputing is the blanket outlook that people have on it. Just because it plays a role in growth doesn't mean that tolerance levels are limitless.
Elevated estrogen levels carry side effects that don't just include bitch tits and broken dicks, and that's what should be kept in mind with stimulating the hormone. In terms of growth, SHBG has a direct relationship to e2. Although total serum numbers for test may look good, the amount of bound test inhibits that hormone. But you still look so big, right? That's because of the fluid retention properties of estrogen. Why do you think your gains dwindle after pct?
But that's neither here nor there. The issue here isn't about personal preference. It's about the difference between Eroids and body building forums out there. The main reason we have so many non-BB types is because of the safety-oriented advice am given here to the newbs.
You say that you can't learn your body if you use an AI. But by that logic, you'd rather see a person wind up with serum e2 levels in the 100's. Believe it or not, we've had guys with number 600-800 on e2 bc they followed that same logic you're preaching. By doing so, you're setting the person up for more long term risks than by exercising control. For example, once gyno begins to develop there is no AI or Serm that will reverse it. You're stuck with that lump and an increases sensitivity to estrogen unless you have surgery. But hey, at least the rest of the body will look good right?
If you wanna follow that logic, by all means. It's entirely your choice. But, people running their first handful of cycles need to be taught how to control their hormones when they start supplementing.
You're an ADV tag, and newbs will look to you for solid advice. Teach them how to climb a ladder by starting at the bottom and working their way up one rung at a time, not jumping to the middle and skipping rungs on the way up.
I agree with some of the things you've said. You're right, extremely high levels of e2 are extremely harmful to men. But say someone isn't prone to a large amount of conversion and we start them on a standard dose of aromasin or Adex. Their estrogen is gonna tank. And being a noob you don't know what that feels like. They're just gonna come to us after 8 weeks and ask why they haven't gained anything. I don't know why anyone would wait until they have a lump to start a serm or ai. When signs first present start nolva and add in a ai, when they subside drop the nolva stay on the ai. Part of researching is learning about gyno, which is much more rare then we make it out to be. There's noway someone's gonna get gyno and not realize it. My nipples start to hurt and get puffy when it starts there's no missing out on that. When they reaearch that's one thing you should learn about, the signs of gyno so when it starts to happen, or when your mind plays tricks on you like what happens with 90% of people on there first cycle they can start taking the proper drugs asap. I alway preach blood work to everyone and I always do it myself. It takes the impossible task of guessing out of the equation. It takes a long time to be able to feel what's going on with your body. Whetjer that's your estrogen being to low or to high. You can't expect them to be able to just feel what's going on. On 750mgs of test 6.25mgs of aromasin has me basically in normal range, the next dude needs double that or more. And who wants to be putting unecessary drugs in the body if they don't habe to. My theory is the least amount of drugs possible and only add them if necessary. But bottom like blood work is key. Always.
I hope this didn't come off in any type of disrespectful way cause that's not my intentions at all. Just to express my views. The internet makes it tough to express yourself in the right tone. You've been here longer then me, and you have more experience then me. This is just my personal experience and what I've seen first hand in many different people. But if you feel that everyone should use an ai from the start then I won't argue. We all kinda need to be on the same page. Using ai isn't a bad thing , you prevent problems instead reverse them.
Didn't take it in a bad way at all. I appreciate the debates actually. You're absolutely right that it's 100% subjective to the person, and I tell folks that all the time.
The advice I give in the beginner cycle group is merely a set of guidelines to get them started. In these guidelines I try to illustrate both high and low estro level sides, and teach them how to tell the difference. But I always try to persuade them to run their bloodwork. Bloodwork is the only definitive way to know if your asin needs to be 12.5 or 6.25 or ed to eod, and IMO the best way to learn your body bc numbers don't lie.
I've basically stopped posting in most threads. Just to frustrating most of the time people don't want to hear what I got to say so I've stayed silent. I called out a bunch of dumbasses the other day bout two guys telling someone to run hcg for pct. Most time I feel like no one wants to hear what I got to say so I stay back and let the heavy hitters clean up all these messes. Some guys do a great job and thanks to them the site stays heading in the right direction.
Lol I actually don't post much on the forums or si either because of what you said. It's the same thing as when your in the gym. Unless people ask for advice I don't give it and I so my own thing. When they ask I'm polite and give them info they're asking for. Try giving people advice at the gym I guarantee they will get all pissy at you it's the same thing on eroids. Not much you can do about it unfortunately it's human nature especially with men :/
Lol at least I'm not the only one. There was a period of time I was just snapping on people and I just took a step back and said it's not worth the hassle but I have a lot of poeple that pm and ask for advice and like u said they ask and every time there very open to any ideas or thoughts I might have. I wonder why people are like that I've seen some strange shit in the gym that I wanted to help but knew if I did they would just get shitty lol. Oh well let the gene pool thin out can't fix stupid brother
Hahaa yea I hear ya I much prefer taking to people via pm instead of the open forums. I think people are like that now in the gym because of all the bullshit and "bro science" that's floating around on the internet. People are always looking for that quick set of abs or quick way to get huge and it spreads like wildfire because people don't know better. It's sad.
I bet if someone wrote an article that said shoving butter up your ass for 12 weeks and backed it up with something like "research has shown that putting butter in your rectum helps absorb essential vitamins and minerals needed for muscle growth faster" it would spread.
Dude dont dogg it till you try it. It really does speed up muscle growth this big dude at my gym told me he's big so he must be right.
Dude that's old school trick u want to bulk straight butter but if u want to cut u need can't believe it's not butter
Ah yes margarine would slide in much more comfortably instead of shoving the whole stick up there. Hahaaaa fucking rediculous!!
lmfao what does margarine get me I have some of that shit.
I don't know bro but putting margarine in your rectum is just plain silly
I know generic shit I go to the store and get butter lol.
Lmfao!!
Lol the guys in the si? I think I'm done to, I'm just gonna let everyone fuck themselves up. My Roomate is comjng off a 7 month cycle, no hcg no ai not pct. but he's not gonna listen to me because " I don't have any trophies". So over at my household in order to know anything about steroids not only must you compete, but you gotta a win to lol. I really hope his dick stops working hahaha
Karma's a bitch he'll come crying to you soon enough bro.
Yes the guys in the si lol. The funny thing is I called them both out posted what hcg does and then said so now u explain why u should run hcg for pct and surprise surprise neither one of them every responded
They probably watched Rich Piana's retarted video where he explains his pct of something like 1000iu/day for a month.
For what he uses it for it works. But you do not recover. Instead of the pituariry relapsing LH and the hcg is a synthetic form. So it does the same exact thing as LH, tells the lydeg cells to produce testosterone. Cause let's face it that dudes hpta is gotta be shot even with an aggressive pct he ain't recovering. So this way he comes off all gear lets his receptors clear and has the hcg putting his test levels in normal range so he feels good. Someone on here actually tried it and it worked. There test was like 600 but they were clearly still shutdown, LH and FSH were 0 meaning his hypothalamus and pitutary weren't doing anything, the hcg was doing it all.
AnonHe wasn't nearly clear enough in the vid…. According to him he blasts high doses of HCG in-between cycles and then left out whatever else he takes to go along with it. Ancillaries, peps, GH, who the hell knows what his body chemistry is doing. Since he only plans to be "off" for a short period of time, like a month or two, there might be some sort of logic behind it for his personal situation. He doesn't care about fully restarting his system just coming off for a bit. Problem being now people think you can just blast HCG for a legitimate PCT lol….
He says me hasn't been on gh in 12 years. Didn't like what it was doing to his waist . Idk the dude pretty open about what he does so idk why he would lie about that.
AnonI meant not 20iu haha. I agree no reason to lie on that considering everything he's put out there. I just assume by "not taking GH" he meant not taking bodybuilding dosages… so probably just 2-3iu. Anyways that isn't even important my point is he's practically a cyborg at this point he's so enhanced there's no doubt in my mind his body chemistry will react to something, like 5000iu of damn HCG every other day, monstrously different than you or I.
I intend to test this, blasting HCG for a while getting weekly bloodwork that is, leading into next cycle for 1-2 months prior to see if I can comfortably come off of test completely for a while. My body just doesn't respond to chemicals like it once did… not something I'm happy about maybe that will help. Worst case I always have prop around if it doesn't work out.
Wtf really never seen that?
Edit nice tag u got bout time u got that congrats
Word thats one of the first things I learned on eroids proper pct and stay clear of the si's.
Been having to spend a lot of time in the si waiting for mast e lol. Shit I thought good mast e was like bigfoot. I hear people seeing it all the time but I really wondered if it exists
Lol best wishes have not done mast e myself, post that progress when your done w it
You answered your own question" bird chirping comes from inexperienced guys wanting to gain experience and sound like they know wtf they're doing." I have a few people I trust and I'll shoot them a pm for advice itallian, Mr fix it, carlos, rusty, oldermuscle, mJh36, boldone. These are my go to hittas! Next time jump in and correct that shit, when you see it, shit you have been here long enough.
I do, brother. Some times a single voice isn't good enough when you have other adv and exp tags giving out this sort of info. Another prime example of how karma does and doesn't mean anything. Ya dig?
So if my common sense approach to every thing doesn't sit well with people sorry. But that is all you are gonna get from me for advice. Haven't been here long enough to give real advice.
Wasn't pointed at you at all brother.
being one of the younger guys here and even I see where your coming from doss. ive been here quite awhile and even before that I lurked way back, not for steroid advice just because of the lifestyle and because its what I love and do in real life at my second job. if I do not have the knowledge to give advice at times I keep my mouth shut , I mean parroting to a certain extent I can see like not using tren until you atleast used good amount of compounds/proper cycles, have your diet right which it should of been way earlier before you even used peds, or having a high bf and using it, or the time to run eq as its long acting, etc etc I can see things of that nature because its common knowledge atleast imo it is. but a lot of guys give advice when they have no idea or they give advice when it comes down to personal experience and they do not have any. for example its like watching videos on becoming a mechanic and reading a ton of books , but if you've never walked in the shoes of a mechanic how could you give advice to other mechanics? like I said some parroting to an extent but theres a lot of bad advice ive seen given and its common knowledge some of these guys are asking when they post up cycle questions which also bothers me because if they cant do 10 to 20 minutes of research , whats their diet and training consist of. anytime ive ever given advice it has been sound. and if I don't know the answers to the questions I shut up and watch and read to learn, which there needs to be a few more guys doing that. good post doss love it +1 my friend
RustyhookerJump on his butt. I've been staying off forums last few months. Too many bruhs with no skill trowing the thumbs up. There's a core of guys working hard that are smart but when big hitters leave....this is where it at.
Don't let the disagreements you have with people keep you from doing what you do. Your advice is always careful and safety oriented, and that's exactly what the purpose of this post is about.
Misguided information like "run proviron instead of an AI with 750 mg of test and 500 iu of hcg..." Is bad advice for someone that still doesn't even know what estro sides they deal with, much less how to control them. Masteron and proviron for AI support is an advanced tactic, not beginner level. But that's that kinda shit is being spread to the people that will just parrot the advice.
It's like a cancer and before you know, it'll spread.
RustyhookerDefinitly!! Folks need to get a feel for things and back them with bloods. Then later when they've got the grasp, adventure a little. Then they can see, feel and know whats working or not. I wish we had a place like eroids back in the day.
yeah I feel you. Im pretty sure those guys have always been here and will always remain. I just filter out the bad. Eroids is still the place that I fell in love with 3 pluse years ago. Eroids hase remained constant even if memebers have not.
yes this shit drives me crazy also. if the minimum age for the site is 25 the minimum age for giving advice should be 30.