posted Fri, 05/30/2014 - 19:15
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kick start with prop t-bol or both?
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Im planning my second cycle, I am going to run test-e at 500 mg per week for 14 weeks. Im trying to decide if i should kick start the cycle with 350 mg/wk of prop for the first 4 weeks. I am also considering t-bol at 40 mg for the first 6 weeks or if i should kick start with both of them. I'm looking for input from some guys that have experience running these compounds in this format. My goal is a decent bulk with minimal fat gains. my diet is always on point with adequate calories coming from clean foods.
first cycle was;
14 weeks of test-e 500mg/wk
weeks 1-4 of 50 mg var and weeks 12-16 of var at 100mg
aromasin @ 25 mg eod week 4-20
pct:
nolva and torem
hcg
I will be using the same pct because I maintained all but a few pounds.
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Well the dudes stats were posted in his profile. Thats where i look, to make sure they are 25 or ollder and i even look for goals and cycle history. Thats what the profile is for....how do u pussy neg somebody...lol?
U will find out when a mod see this if it's u that's doin it.
I dont see any negs anymore....
TYPING IN ALL CAPS WILL NOT CHANGE A THING. Check with a mod and when they tell you the same thing you can crawl back in here and apologize. The OP MUST put stats on his post AND in his profile;
Naw that wont happen. I knew his stats becuz he posted them where they are supposed to go....so get it right and quit playin around...
This is why I don't hop in the forums anymore
I stayed away myself; but the longer we do that the more come out of hiding.
Choose either prop OR tbol for a kickstart if you must kickstart, not both. General rule is to introduce no more than one new compound at a time so when sides show up you have a better chance to rectify them.
Also be careful who you take advice from around here. Im far from am expert, but have a good grasp on the basics. Down below you have some 21 year old child who runs tren that is parroting info.
Op stats are he's 28 five foot eight 183 at 12 percent body fat
STATS..... CYCLE HISTORY..... GOALS... Has everyone lost there mind ??? Basics first IR NO HELP
WHEN YOU READ HIS PROFILE THEY ARE LISTED, EVEN THE BODY FAT, THIS TIME. FOR YOU TO ASK ME IF I HAVE LOST MY MIND WITH ABOUT THIS IS IGNORANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN LOOKING AT THE PROFILE IS THE FIRST THING EVERYBODY NEEDS TO DO. I WAS LIKE THE FOURTH PERSON TO GET IN ON THIS THREAD AND HIS STATS WERE UP THERE LAST NIGHT BEFORE I WENT TO BED.
STATS MUST BE POSTED UP IN THE THREAD IF ASKING FOR ADVICE... ITS THAT SIMPLE..i encourage you to contact a mod to have them look at this. please do
waltrhttp://www.eroids.com/rules-and-guidelines
we reading the same rules chief?
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/put-up-your-stats-and-n...
And I will Quote as well:
IF I COME ACROSS A POST WHERE A MEMBER DOES NOT HAVE STATS OR PROPER STATS I WILL FIRE ONE WARNING SHOT. IF YOU FAIL TO COMPLY THEN KARMA WILL BE DEDUCTED
waltr?
The guy had his stats in the profile...I don't understand what your point is.
you must and will post stats in you thread when asking for cycle advice and compound advice... go have this conversation with a mod
waltrI'll just stay away from posting anything.
I'm here for the gear anyway, not the insane people on the internet.
im not going to argue... go talk with a mod or better have this conversation with Viking...... see if you get the same answer.. im out of here
waltrit's in his profile....
calmate..
It Dosent matter .. The new norm which has been going on for a year now is if your asking for help on a cycle or compound you must post up all your stats and cycle history to recieve help.. The mods have made it real clear hop on bored with it of get banned
No it does matter. You are wrong. Thats what the profile is for or it wouldnt be there. Having to ask for stats without using the profile, is lazy.
Lol u didn't look at his stats before u gave advice. U are just covering your ass right now and lucky he has stats up. Why didn't u ask anything bout him? Not one question bout him or his experiences just straight to giving out advice
Yes i did. Been doing this for a long time now. You wanna call me a liar, bro....???? You wanna judge me without knowing me or what i did the right way....???? I dont appreciate that at all......i asked about a his prior cycle he ran...u must got me confused with someone else, bro....
if you think i am wrong or irishmac then by all means please contact a mod
His stats were posted in his profile...why would i need to ask him for them....in case he is lying? What if he is a good liar? I am very aware of how eroids operates. I even asked for cycle history. Now all you have done is highjacked what was suppose to be a good thread, and turned it into a mess....
i will tell you what... i will pm a mod for you.. if you will not listen to anyone that is trying to tell you how this operates them maybe you will listen to them.
Tell you what....u wanna start some crap....his stats were posted....period. u can read into what people say and change the rulz up...thats on u....i looked at his profile and his stats were there....and helped him the way i could...
No I'm not starting CRAP!! Stats must be given in the post when asking for advice on cycles or compounds.. VIKING WANTS IT THIS Way as well as the mods..
To everyone below we need to make sure we have stats before u start throwing out advice. We are a safety first community and throwing out cycle advice before u know stats is very irresponsible. Luckily he isn't a 20 year old kid
Get bloodwork pre, mid, and post cycle. Did you do bloodwork your last cycle?
What did you run the first cycle?
That sure is a questionable PCT? What doses of the Toremefine would you propose? You know about Clomid?
hCG optional.....you have a protocol for the hCG?
Be careful with that aromasin....current research i read on here says dosing high might be better, but everybody is different. Always get bloodwork.
We don't like parroting on here if u never used aromisin don't give advice. Keeps the community safe doesn't matter the research u have read there will be other people with real life experiences. As far as aro op if u are gyro prone take it everyday start at a small dose like 6.25 then get blood work to determine if u need to up it to 12.5 ed. Your 25 mgs eod could crash your estrogen that's a big dose
Yea i have used aromasin. Dont assume i havent just because i mentioned research i read about on here. If you look at my post you will be able to tell that by the way it is written. Get a SHOUT OUT TO THE MODS ON THIS THREAD.
So let me understand this the op is suggesting at running aro at 25 mgs so u with all your knowledge is advising the op to run aro at 25 mgs. Or higher are u fucking kidding me. His estrogen will be crashed smh. Suggesting someone run it that high is dangerous for all we know the aro he had on his FIRST CYCLE was under dosed. He wouldn't know so let's say he gets full strength and boom we have big problems
Lookout rolltide...dosing higher in comparison to 6.25mg ed, or eod, of exemestane could be better with the
AAS he is wanting to run. He doesnt know what he wants to do, yet. Thats why he can do some research on Exemestane before he starts. For all we know, he did get full strength drugs. You need to ask him. Thats part of the cycle history...is it not???
Respect flash a lot he says your solid were cool bro sending u an fr. It was misunderstanding
Got the fr....gonna pm ya brother....been a busy saturday....
. U did not put that up. U put up a response to the op bout his aro. posted just what u said was bad advice. The op has his dosage of aro at 25 eod. U put that to him in your research higher doses are better get real higher than the op has up will fuck him up. The op is not experienced enough to understand u might mean higher than 6.25 ed what u put up basically says higher aro is better . So always air on the side of caution and start low and build up if need be but to tell a beginner to take high doses is wrong period
brother, its sorted, relax, med is solid, hes been away for a long time, he checked stats in profile, alot has changed in 6 months, he wasnt aware of the new protocol we use, all is good, just a misunderstanding.
I ran test and var the first cycle and yes i got bloods done last cycle.
I read mwagner630's write up about his usage of nolva and torem for a bigger cycle and figured I would give it a go. I ran hcg at 250 iu's twice a week on cycle starting week 5 and then blasted the hcg at 500 iu's a day the 10 days before I started the serms (serms started 14 days after last pin.) I ran torem 100/100/50/50 and nolva 25/25/25/25/25
I decided against clomid because I have talked with quite a few guys that said it made them very emotional which I wanted to avoid.
For the future cycle I will get bloods done a week or two before starting, mid cycle bloods done around week 6 (2 weeks after last prop pin) and the post cycle bloods done too.
I am always open to opinions and new ideas so if you have any, please share.
If u are running prop u will have to start your aro sooner than week four. Why a fourteen week cycle cut it back to 12. U don't need no longer especially if u are using a prop kick starter. U want an easy pct for your second cycle the longer u stay shut down the hard it becomes keep it simple. Plus drop the var at the beginning. Do u have anything u take for liver support
I would cut the var out the first 4 weeks and run it the last 6 instead @50mg a day
I find it so ironic that someone who is 21 would be giving cycle advice to anyone; How much experience do you have? Years under your belt huh? That would mean you have been juicing since you were 12 years old.
Do us all a favor and stop giving cycle advice and get off the aas before you lose the only pubic hair you've grown so far.
U need to keep your head down. U won't last long giving steroid advice your 21. U shouldn't even be here
Edit just seen in another forum u talking bout taking tren. U need to slow your roll wtf
Agreed....and in divided doses am and pm....
Yup! Exactly
That might be a little overkill on the aromasin but I would get bloods to make sure. Start with the prop kicker you'll love it
Im gyno prone so thats why I dose it that way, I get bloods done regularly.
Awesome bro....sounds like a great cycle....
Good deal! I am as well so ive gotta run my ai high as well
waltrprop will probably be more noticeable than tbol for a kickstart