Test E cycle with oral T-bol on the 4th or 5th week
So like the title says would this be a good or bad idea. History:I have been in the gym since 8th grade i'm 25 and work out 4 days or more a week. My work outs focus on reps and good form and making that mind muscle connection and feeling the pump. I haven't done 1 rep max in a long time but my main lifts last set are
Bench 255x10
Squat 335x12
Dead lift 315x8
Clean 225x6
Diet is just lean meat, dairy (plain greek yogurt and whey)and veggies i know you guys will ding me for not know the number of micro's or whatever but as reference i eat around 5 times a day with the meat portion being around 12oz or more and all the veggies i want (no potatoes)
After reading the suggestions of first cycles i was thinking about a test E cycle with T-bol
But would it be a bad idea to start it mid cycle after the test kicks in...these are just thoughts at this time i haven't done anything yet. Just had the thought and after reading about t-bol thought it would work better mid cycle
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Bros,
If I were the first one to respond to this OP and I didn't have the benefit of reading the thread as it has developed - looking at his strength, his pic, his gym time and his age - my take would be that the OP would do very well on a basic 12 week test cycle. I wish all the beginners had as much gym time as this OP. It would seem, however, that you all have a well thought out but different view of this situation than I do. Certainly, waiting and dieting down a bit more and getting the BF under control before starting any steroids isn't gonna hurt anything.
GearHead
so hes maxed his natural genetic potential then??? hes 25 and trained natural for ten yrz??? no offense to op but really? i see no muscle, i think juice is a long way off, hes 25 yes but no where near physically ready to use steroids.
really bro? yea 10 years off and on. on more than off and i have no muscle? i weight 240-245 with a 32 waist i'm not ripped and skinny but i'm bigger than most the meat heads i see in the gym. BF estimates are just that estimates ill be the first to admitted i could cut a few pounds but dont talk like i'm some fat slob thats new to the gym
I sent u a ffriend request so we can PM.
so you can give steroid advice? if you do your a clown, defeats the goals and ettiquette viking has taught us forum whores.
Bro, If that was my motive I would not have posted it in the open cut me a break u r being a clown!
bro, you need to keep traing natural, you need to max out natural, ten years something is wrong... i never mentioned body fat. you have muscle, not ten yrs worth, im sorry to offend you.
I agree with you that maxing out genetic potential is best before anyone starts performance enhancing chemicals. That will most certainly yield the best possible results.
As a practical matter though, this OP is in far better condition than so many others that we give the green light to. It is from that reality that I don't have an allergy to the idea of his doing a 12 week Test cycle.
maybe you give the green light not me.
I think a standard 12 week Test only would do him good also. It was suggested to get his BF down so he could really get the most out of it. 15-20 is a big range. What he suggested wasn't absurd by any means, just not the Tbol his first run. Just get a little more conditioning and take time to research all aspects of his cycle so he knows for himself what each compound is for, other then just knowing it's what a beginner should run. I wish I had taken the time my first couple cycles to learn and understand what I was putting in my body, instead of doing what I was told. Oh well, live and learn. It's what makes us wiser.
unfortunately, i disagree, i dont agree with this guy jumping on gear at all, he needs more dieting and nutrition, a better training routine and some cardio, he all natural too this point, why chuck him on the gear train now? hes made progress natural for ten yrz, so why??? also why oral? its first proposed cycle?? ai protocol off etc etc, you might want to hate on me for this, thats ok, wait untill later when some regulars see this, im sure they will agree. smh.
all cycle info is from a "beginners guide" forum post...and from everything else i read its pretty much the same...i could use some more cardio ill be the first to say it but my diet is clean.
Those "beginners guides" are ok to look at, but it's not something to go by. You need to cut some BF 15-25 is a big range. The reason for that is increased sides come with increased fat. You are 25 and you Endocrine system is just now maturing. Like Flash said it seems as if you can still make gains on your own. Steroids are introduced when your body has plateaued naturally. Even then barriers can be broken with diet and training. I know you want to get on cycle and I get that, but do your self a favor and hold off until you get yourself in better shape. There are tons of info here on diet and training. As for a cycle. First time is always Test only. No orals. You need to see how your body reacts to testosterone so that way in the future when you add compounds you will be able to determine which ones are giving you ill sides. If you run Test and Tbol first cycle then have problems is it the Test or is it the Tbol? How are you to know? Spend time here learning about compounds and PCT and A/I's so that way when it's time to cycle you know without a doubt what you are doing. I see a lot of guessing in your posts, and injecting foreign substances into your body is not a guessing game. Hope this helped explain a few reasons why we are saying to hold off. You have a good base to build on and if you can get it primed now before roids then just think what you'll be like after.
very well said, as usual, lol i have to stop +1 you or it will look like whoring haha, you always give good advice and were in the forums together everyday at the sametime. whores lmao.
lol, no problem. Not after the karma, although I believe bumps for solid forum advice is the most justifiable way of Karma. There are others in here daily, But I do see PIN_CUSHION and TheFlash85 on the main page a lot, and of course that Viking guy, lol
lmao! who is this viking guy you speak of? lol. but seriously i just checked my profile and ive plussed you 20 times, mtyhooker, 28 times and this viking guy 40 times, lol thats whores ville rite there pmsl.
eh.... couldn't be to three better guys, lmao...
it looks like i plus and neg alot, probs the most on here, but ive negged trolls mostly, you know the spammers that try selling shit, also when i was .revenge85. i sat on 8 karma for 7 months, so my voting didnt count.
ok no worries i wasn't planning on doing anything yet if ever. this was more of a general question.
As for a 1st cycle test is all you need even though tbol is mild it's still good to get a feel for test. I've ran a lot of cycles and right now all I'm doing is test p and some dbol love it
AnonHow many mg's test per week? how much t-bol? what AI will you be taking? Also remember your pct's
500mg test a week
50-75mg t-bol a day
Adex .50mg every other day
PCT typical clomid/nolvadex two weeks after last pin
I'm just going off of what was suggested in the beginners guide in the forums
AnonOk, well first a foremost RESPECT SERIOUSLY because atleast did some research and look the beginners guide in the forums so that is great honestly.
so i assume test eth or cyp divided into 2 injections a week @ 250mg
i think you should start at 59mg of tbol ED and see how it works with your body and if you feel you want to add a little more later on during cycle then do so but i suggest the lower dosage first to see how your body takes to it.
Adex is on point..
But you never answered me on how long you plan to run this cycle..
Also i would suggest liv 52 as well to take ed
10 or 12 weeks. I'm guessing liv52 is a liver support supp thanks i have a few.
The main question is if t-bol mid cycle instead of kick start would be good or bad
Anonfor me i like mid cycle to end but that us my opinion. i asked a few fellas to join in on this one because i of course do not have all the answers my friend
Stats brother
What other stats do you want... bf is around 15-20% i honesty dont know
Anonheight, weight.
O sorry 6'0 245lb size 34 waist
Anonno worries. thank you... So how do you plan to run this cycle?/ how many weeks? how many mg's of test? is test eth or cyp or prop?? how long will you run t-bol and how many mg's per day??? What AI have you chosen??? and will you use nolva and clomid for you pct?
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkWell just going off what has been suggested
2 pins a week of 250mg test E for 10 or 12 weeks
T-bol i'm open to suggestions of when to start but run it for 4-6 weeks
Adex as the AI
Anonlol, were doing double the work but all good....
ok 12 weeks is cool at that test dosage with adex as you said and please take liv 52 for extra liver support
i would start the t-bol week 6 and run it to the 12th but i would run it at 50mg for all 6 weeks not 75.
-1 mate, terrible advice. be carefull what you advise, this isnt a game, ppl can fk them selves up
AnonFlash your right, i am going to edit and suggest if he work at it a little longer naturally.. And maybe in a few months run a test eth only cycle @ 300mg a week. So 150mg x 2 a week with adex @.5 eod and nolva and clomid for his pct sir.
dont advise that either, i can see you contributing and trying, thats good, youve been here less than a week, youve done this kind of thing a few times already, just be careful and learn forum protocol, and be careful mate. it can be life or death.
AnonFlash, i dont want you take this as me going against you by any means or being disrespectful towards you. But could please explain to me why him just running a test eth cycle @ 300mg a week would be a bad first cycle for him? Again im not trying to say your incorrect i just want to know your thinking just more in depth on this. That is it.
we are all equal mate, all entitled too opinions, im just saying a steroid cycle is not best option here, you need to be more elaborate also, explain the ai dose?? if he took your advice and ran it like you suggest, estro will be floored before test e kicks in, thats what im saying bro, be thourough, be certain, be rite, be carefull, learn the forum bro.
Anonokay boss, that is great in site. thank you
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinklol, im your eroid mate, not your boss lol, were equal mate. + 1 for good attitude.
Haha no worries bro...just wondering if anyone else has done this with T-bol cant seem to find a lot results from it in the forums just general descriptions of what gains would be like
Tbol is a great compound. I bring it into my blasts on the fifth week. The strength gains are good but the recovery is wild. I can bust sets out with no more than a minute resting period. The pumps get real full. I look like a different person after I leave a gym session. It is a go to compound for me. It lets me hit the gym so much more.
Me to man gives me endurance I can just keep going
AnonBoom, perfect,, thank you PEZ... i was waiting for someone like you to come in and fill in my gap my man!!!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkCool good to hear i have been looking at a few different sources idk who to go to would you mind sending me a pm on who you trust and like to use