+ 1 Question for seasoned vets and brewers
Fellas, I'm 30 and have been using AAS now going on my 5th year. I have ran several cycles and done hours of research in preparation and continually spend much time willing and learning everyday. My problem is this...
I have ran many cycles, (several orals used, but this post is about injectables) and out of the lets say 20 different labs Test E I have used all but 3 of them have left me so damn sore no matter where or how I pin. If I pin on day 1 I am fine until day 3 when all of a sudden after 48 hours I get red lumps that sometimes spread out a little and just get warm and tender it renders the muscle useless. I ask for veterans to chime in, NOT looking for pinning techniques, 100% not the problem! I am going to start cutting my oils but I've ran as much as 1.4 grams of gear per week in the past from a certain lab and not had pain. I pin a bunch of buddies, my wife's pre med and I know my pinning is good. They never have the problems I do. They laugh at me lol. I usually just grit it out and take 600mg ibprofuen around the clock on bad days. So guys who have been there, and I ask for the lucky guys who never experienced it to just stay off the post please, to help me understand is it alcohol, carrier, solvents, brewing technique, allergy, etc??? I just can't seems to get it. I'll still get great results physically but unless I get lucky I with which lab I use I'm
Crippled and swollen while my 2 lifting partners are just cranking along laughing at me. Thanks in advance guys. Could use some solid experienced advice. THX
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When you say warm and tender it sounds like a possible infection. Sometimes I get cellulitis infections when I'm not sterile. Saw your solution to your problem hopefully that fixes the issue. If it doesn't look into how sterile you are and start being in point with cleaning the area before and after you shoot
Thanks to all who responded. Proud to say I FOUND MY SOLUTION:
Cutting with sterile, filtered GSO was the ticket. I wasn't sure that it would help but I just add .5 cc to every 1.5cc and boom. Can't even tell where I pinned. Amazing. Thanks to all for your help. Happy camper over here!!
RustyhookerExcellent!
Bro,
I have had that happen many times.
What PIN_CUSHION said down below sounds likely. Many labs will use too much benzyl alcohol to assure product sterility and possibly too much benzyl benzoate (a solvent). Problems with high BA and/or BB are characteristic of many small UGLs that do a lot of the processing by hand - they do not have large scale sterile production lines like the big labs have. My suggestion is that u only order from the very biggest labs - they provide the closest thing to pharm grade products there is.
GearHead
High PH levels in the product can cause some serious PIP as well. If you have used EO and other carrier oils before it could be the brewing process by the ugl that raised the PH level. Once I started using strictly pharma grade I never had another PIP again. I only use Pharma now because it is consistent across the board.
No shit, never thought about ph. I have used some pharm grade that was rough and so
That were not. THX brother appreciate ur time
RustyhookerPin size? Oil type? Eo ? Cc's per spot? How many spots per pin?
I have used several pin sizes with the same result from
1" to 1.5"
And diameters of 23g to 25g
I get the same pain with a 1cc shot as I will with a 2cc shot. Like I said. Can't even tell where I injected the first 48 hours. Give it two full day and boom. I'll know exactly where I pinned it
My current gear is GSO, one that did not bother me was CSO. Never tried EO. I have some filtered, sterile GSO I am going to start cutting with and that will tell me if GSO is my friend or not pretty soon
hunteron20sReal simple test.take a benadryl know if it isnt a allergic reaction The benadryl wont do anything.this is to eliminate if it is a allergic reaction ..to hwlp narrow down the cuase .I hope this helps .
Thanks brother. Why not. I'll try that with my next pin. Appreciate the help.
hunteron20sJust dont take ib profin same day so you can eliminate that ..good luck
Got it. THX
So its just Enath or other esters that habitually you get this? What about Cyp? Sust? TNE? Prop?
Generally the shorter esters- like the Prop are more likely to cause pain because more solvent components are required to get these powdered derivatives into solution. For me it it has been highly variable- obviously seeming to depend a large degree on the brewing source and how the batch is made and less so because of a specific compound or on me since my technique is consistent. Other meds you are taking can affect this too. Prednisone, for example, makes my PIP twice as bad and last days when i have to be on that. Dont use things more than 250-300 mg/cc, inject less quantity more frequently- instead of 1cc twice a week place .6 cc every other day. You can also obtain sterile grapeseed oil from some sources and dilute your product with that and see if that helps. Obviously to achieve your target dose, more volume will be needed.
Enan and Cyp yea. Never ran sust or no ester. I like your way of thinking though I am gonna cut it with GSO and shoot small doses to see how they work. I always liked long ester so I don't have to be a pin cushion. Don't mind pinning but always so painful for so long that I can't imagine being sore for a week in 4 different areas at a given time. So well see how cutting the oils work. Hopefully is my long awaited resolution. Thanks brother
You may be sensitive to ba. Get some ba and create a ppd. If alergic tje ppd bubble woll show signs.
Best bet is you dosing to high. 1.4g of test is way to much. 100mg prop hurt or what?
The 1.4 grams was last year from a source that has gone away. His stuff didn't bother me so I ran high, never felt a thing!! Everyone who ran that gear knows that. Can't say names in here. But I just did a 1.5cc shot on Tuesday of test e 300 so 1.5=450mg and it was tuff. As for prop I ran that same source who I did the high dose cycle last year. He had prop 200mg/ML and I pinned .5 cc at a time, never felt a damn thing pip wise . Only short ester I have ran honestly
Asking for advice then telling what answers you will or will not take, and dictating who and who doesn't post isn't a good approach.
I hear what your saying brother. I was trying to shorten the line. I was worried about phrasing it the way I did. I'm as polite and cool a dude as you can meet. I'm just not looking for the the basic pip answers. If you really read around the internet thousands of people who may not be on eroids or are on have said that there pip is so severe no matter what they do. Nobody ever gets a solid answer as to why. It's not crystallizing as oils are sucked up and hormone is there causing pain. I've heard it all. I have 3 of us pinning the same exact thing and I'm the sore idiot every time. When I show people my injection sites they cringe it looks painful. I just wanted to see of an advanced user was in my spot one day. And he figured something out. How else should I ask? That's all brotha. Thanks for your post as well
Got ya, it just came across wrong. Def sounds like an allergic reaction to the carrier oils like other have suggested. Or the BA BB content in your oil.
I'm
Gonna so some process of elimination and figure this thing out. I'm just jealous of the guys with no pain ever. From anything or the sore for a day or the oh I heated the oil and pinned slowly and walla lol I can't win. I keep telling myself no pain no gain but this is walking the line of 24/7 torture during cycles
Yea that's no fun. I'm fairly lucky, maybe a day or so soreness when introducing a new site.
Not a doc but Sounds like you may may be allergic to some of the carrier oils. I have heard a lot of guys are allergic or have issues with eythl oleate, but maybe you can only use a certain carrier. find out what they used in those labs you didnt have an issue with and look for someone who uses that type of carrier for their oils.
Yes that's what I was doing but I got foolish and found a great deal and jumped on it. Everyone said I was crazy only liking for cottonseed oil sources. But here I am back to the grapes and sore. Fuck lol well if I have to I'll get more elsewhere. The show must go on brotha. Thanks also
My bad for repeating myself. What I'm trying to say is the responses like:
Heat the oil
Inject slowly
Try z track
To deep
Not deep enough
Message
Don't message
Heat pad
Hot shower
Are all things we tried a long time ago. Now I'm trying to locate the ROOT of the problems not just how to deal with it, IF POSSIBLE. The labs that did not give me these symptoms give me a glimmer of hope, tho there all out of business now.