+ 2 How to tell high/low estrogen with no blood work?
I am deployed right now, so blood work is not an option. I've been looking this up all day and haven't really found a definitive answer.
My cycle:
currently finishing up week 4
Test E 500mg
Aromasin started beginning of week 3 12.5mg ED
HCG started beginning of week 4 500iu
After the first couple of days of feeling like shit after my first pin I started feeling really great. I was even getting massive fully engorged erections throughout the night, not that you wanted to hear that haha. I really can't say for sure if it started after taking the Aromasin or after starting HCG, but I've been getting really sleepy, disgusted with food, and kind of bitchy. I'm pretty sure my estrogen levels are either to high or too low because everything was fine when I was on just the test E, so I found this list of signs of high/low estrogen today:
"High estrogen sides Acne, loss of libido, water retention (Bloat), pissing less than the water you consume, moon face, very small testicles, scrotum hanging too high, soft testicles, extreme oiliness all over, aggression (roid rage), depression, bitchiness, lethargy, insomnia, soft erections, extreme cravings for sugar/chocolate, high bp, bp spikes, enlarged prostate, pressure in lower abdomen when urinating, thin stream, constipation (from water retention)
Low estrogen sides Dry skin, dry lips, dehydration, loss of libido, good morning wood no wood when its time for sex, loss of wood while having sex, loss of sensitivity, dry gland (penis), white gland, loss of girth, irritability, mood swings, crying for no reason, dht rage (aggression you take out on others), dull orgasm, hesitation just before urinating, night sweats, loss of appetite, constant fatigue, lethargy, constipation (due to dehydration), diuretic effect (pissing more water than you are consuming), itchy scalp, obsessive thoughts"
I have many signs of both. The big ones I'm really feeling I'll put in bold.
High estrogen I have - acne (but very mild, maybe 5 pimples in 4 weeks) loss of libido, pissing less, small testicles, SOFT TESTICLES (almost mushy), slight depression, bitchiness, LETHARGY, INSOMNIA
Low estrogen I have - DEHYDRATION (but mostly from not drinking as much water anymore), loss of libido, LOSS OF APPETTITE, LETHARGY, constipation
Perhaps all of the low estrogen symptoms can be attributed to not drinking enough water as I was the first couple of weeks, and maybe the slight depression is causing me to just lay around and not doing anything besides work out (despite feeling tired my strength seems to be gaining and gaining still like I'm a beast) which also contributes to a lot of the other symptons. I really don't know, that's why I'm asking you guys. I'm leaning toward high estrogen, so should I up my Aromasin to 25mg ED, or is Aromasin the culprit for all these symptons and knock it down to 6.25 ED or maybe not take it all?
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I skipped the Aromasin the last two days and I'm happy to report I feel back to normal. My appetite is back and I've been drinking enough water and pissing until the urine is almost clear. I didn't nap the whole day away either. The good news is I only lost two pounds and loss no size on my measurements. It would have been nice to have another week of GAINS, but at least I didn't lose anything except a couple pounds of fat or water.
So now I just need to figure out the right Aromasin dose for me. This is my first cycle and I guess all of this us just part of the learning process for better success in future cycles. Even with shitty days like I was feeling, plus PIP for days after every pin, I'm enjoying the experience. Next step- figure out how to divide 25mg capsules of powder into a dosage that works for me. That leads me to my next question...
I now know the signs of too high of a dose. What are the usual first signs of too low of a dose?
I had moderately high estro on and off through my cycle. Truth be told, I felt great with estro numbers double the normal range. When I let them get a little too high at the beginning of my cycle I noticed an increase in acne, and my left nipple seemed firmer.
It wasn't full blown gyno, but my nips acted like they were cold all the time.
As far as breaking up the dose, just dump out the capsule and split it up into 4 or 5 mg bumps. Suck up one bump a day with a straw.
For me personally, bloat, I am aware of my body enough to know when my E is rising, also being sensative to shit that normally wouldnt bother you-emotional stuff. Thats just me though-those are what I look for when I'm on cycle. The syptoms for me also change with the time of day...
How much water are you drinking? Test E @ 500mg is a fairley low dose for that much Aromasin, just my opinion but my wife is a pharm d so I get the good shit. Back on point, Milk thistle? anything for liver health? If your dehydrated or not drinking enough water your lowers are going to suffer-IE Liver/Kidneys. Helps explain the pissing issue's. My humble opinion would be if you cant get bloods, drop the Aroma by 1/2 see how you feel after a couple days. Up your water intake, your on cycle so you should be used to force feeding yourself, if not your doing it wrong. Good luck friend, repost when you figure it out-we all learn that way...
We all know bloods is the best course of action. I know you know that. But bloods isnt always an option for all of us right? This is the case for me as well so listening to your body becomes very important. But I see you already said as much.
How youre feeling at specific times of the day is also an important indicator also. Test levels are higher in the morning, estro is higher in the evening. A certain level is of bloat is expected and acceptable to me. If Im feeling like superman in the morning and ready to crash at 9 pm, I feel like Im in the right range. At that point I keep an eye on my skin as thats my first warning sign. Extremely oily and I take 12.5mg ed in the morning for 5 days. My skin levels out and I stay in my range for awhile. If I take my asin at night I get all out of whack. Just how it seems to work for me in my limited experience.
I think one of the reasons you see people dosing aromasin at such a wide range is the purity of the drug. Pharma grade aromasin is gonna be more effective than a similar dose of research chem aromasin.
With pharma, I still crashed my estro at 6mg a day, and dropped down to 4mg a day.
Any day you don't feel like superman at the gym is a sign that your estro is low, at least it was for me.
Thanks for all the advice. I will cut it down to 6.25 ED. I might even skip today's. I have 25mg capsules, so there's no way I'll get it exactly 6.25 mg, but the plan is to go at it like a cokehead - use a credit card or something to make 4 even lines then put each line in it's own capsule. I could always empty out supplement capsules into my protein shakes and use the empty capsules for this.
Ya bro I'd say your.aromasin is probably to high. I ran that same cycle for my first one.. I ended up getting blood test half way through cycle which was prolly 3 weeks after all the low estro sides started. My estrogen was totally crashed, took about 6 weeks or more to feel normal again after dropping aromasin completely.
When my estrogen is low i feel like my shoulders and knees are going to fall off and when its high i feel like a ballon, everybody is different...its taken me years to know my body and i still cant pinpoint it without a bloodtest, just can hover around a happy medium...I dont know if that helps...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/do-you-have-estro-issues
bout as simple as it gets, this will give you a good idea of where you are at.
trick is that they high and low estro signs can be very similar, which is why knowing our bodies is key
have you ran cycles before? you need to drink a lot of water bro, that's step one, hows your liver? have you ran orals in the past? drink alcohol? are you taking anything for your liver? if your dehydrating your self your liver and kidneys will be struggling mate, that can cause you too feel like shit, water is very important.
So true, estro doesn't make you dehydrated lol not drinking plenty of water does that. +1
Cut you Aromasin in half ED and see what happens. It seems a little high for that dose of test.
I think all the sign symptoms are the same for low and high minus the joint pain when it's low. Also I get acne when it's high and not when it's low everyone is different. On 500 of test e hcg really isn't necessary either, doesn't hurt but not necessary