+ 186 NPP seen a lot of people asking about it so hope this helps
Hey, how’s it going everyone?
I know I’m relatively new here, but I have noticed a lot of people in this forum have no clue what NPP is, or what it is used for! lol
Thus, I’ve decided to create my own steroid -profile for NPP, and simultaneously outline my various experiences with the compound.
For anyone who still doesn’t know what I’m talking about, NPP is a relatively new product, and is considered to be one of the few actively marketed steroids that was produced within the past 10 years.
Disclaimer: I have utilized NPP in basically every protocol: cutting, bulking, and maintaining; however, my advice is all from personal experience. Follow at your own risk, as I am not a certified professional / M.D.
Let’s begin, NPP stands for the chemical name: “nandrolone phenyl-propionate .” It’s often considered the “brother” of Deca , and this is because they are both very similar in molecular structure, with the exception of different esters attached to the molecule. (phenyl-prop v.s. deconate.)
Furthermore, the compounds half-life is around 72 hours, and as a result, there is often debate regarding the timing of NPP injection protocol. (So I’m going to address each of them individually, because injection protocols are completely reliant on goals IMO.)
Benefits of NPP compared to Deca:
a.) Little to no water retention
b.) Instant lubrication of joints, and pain-relief to injection sites.
c.) Fast acting
d.) Compound clears system only a couple of days after secession of use; and does not leave you terribly shut down for prolonged periods of time like deca.
e.) IMO faster recovery of the HPTA after cycle , because of ^^
Downfalls of NPP compared to Deca:
a.) Often a need for more frequent injections
b.) Sometimes can be painful injections
FAQ #1: “Can I utilize NPP for cutting, and how?”
A: Yes absolutely. NPP is a great compound for cutting. It will provide minimal water retention, and stacks very well with prop. Moreover, because it lubricates the joints it has excellent synergy with winstrol (if at a low BF), and eliminates winstrol’s worst side affect – dry joints.
My typical NPP cutter:
(weeks 1 – 10) Prop @ 75mg ED
(weeks 1 – 9) NPP @ 75mg ED
(weeks 5 – 10) Winstrol @ 50mg ED
^^ Notice that when I use Prop with NPP, I follow an “each day injection protocol”
FAQ #2: “Can I utilize NPP for bulking (especially lean bulking??)”
A: YES! Once again, NPP is an excellent choice for this form of bulking. The reason: NPP will provide you with a quick 10 – 15 pounds within 10 weeks of use, until secession of the compound. Moreover, because NPP is fast-acting, one will begin to see the results from it within 5 – 7 days of use. (Also, great strength gains from NPP)
My typical NPP bulker:
(weeks 1 – 14) Test-E @ 600mg EW
(weeks 1 – 13) NPP @ 525mg (each week) but EOD protocol
(weeks 9 – 16) Anavar @ 70mg ED
^^ Notice that during Bulkers I generally inject EOD
FAQ #3: “Can I use NPP similarly to Deca for therapeutic benefits?”
A: ABSOLUTELY! This is one of those things that I feel the medical community will eventually figure out. Often, doctor’s / HRT clinics will prescribe deca @ a low dosage of 100 – 250mg EW for it’s therapeutic benefits. I believe that eventually NPP may take deca’s place.
My typical NPP therapeutic cycle:
(weeks 1 – 10) Test-E @ 200mg
(weeks 1 – 9) NPP @ 200mg EW (but following EOD protocol)
^^ As you can see, I would keep the Test @ a low dosage, perhaps even a TRT dosage. Keep the NPP low, and break the injections up. 50mg x 4 injections a week = 4 injection sites that feel AMAZING, and well lubricated.
FAQ #4: "I like the above protocol ^^ but I don't like injecting .. Can I inject it every 3.5 days with my TRT dosage?"
A: Not a problem. That's another benefit of NPP. The half live of the compound is short, but JUST long enough that it can be used under this protocol.
Typical TRT + Therapeutic Cycle:
(weeks 1 - 10) Test-C @ 100 - 250mg EW
(weeks 1 - 10) NPP @ 100mg x 2 injections per week = ~ 200mg EW.
FAQ #5: "I have Deca, and want to use NPP as a kick-start... is that possible?"
A: YUP! That's fine. Run it the same way you would kick-start with prop on a Test-E cycle.
(weeks 1 - 12) Test-E @ 500mg EW
(weeks 1 - 10) Deca @ 500mg EW
(weeks 1 - 5) NPP @ 75mg ED or 125mg EOD.
Phew, finished. Ok, well I hope you guys enjoyed the read. BTW, I’ve kept all the dosages very moderate on this page, so if anyone has any special circumstances, and want to alter the dosages, or wants to stack additional compounds, etc... feel free to PM me and I’ll try and aid you as much as possible. I have run NPP at extreme dosages, and can relate to most any question . Have a good one boys; Thanks for reading.
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I'm an NPP junkie, been using it for several years and it works wonders for my AC joints. I have never heard of this happening with NPP. My gut feeling is that may have something to do with the carrier oil, solvent, etc. Is this from a source you've used before? Is this your first time running NPP? What about the other things you're running? Have you used them before? And from the same source? Sometimes it's tough to find the smoking gun if you're switching things up, or using a different source.
I had a similar problem problem with some liquid dbol I was running. I don't think it was the dbol since I used different dbol since and didn't get that problem. I'm certain it was something in the liquid suspension, not the dbol itself.
Does your NPP have a distinct odor that you've noticed? NPP can be a tricky one to keep suspended without crashing. Many times UGLs will add some odd things to it to help keep it stable. Guaicol is one that can be frequently added. It smells like shit and makes me feel sick for a while after I inject it. But after a few weeks I get used to it.
GK thanks for your input. This is my first run with the NPP,Iv used this source for over a year and have never had any problems with any of his products. I was running the sust 250 with it and have used sust in the past with no problems. I dropped the NPP and went forward with the sust. As soon as I stopped the npp all sickness went away. It does have a bit of a smell,and looks the same as the sust. I'm going to try and give it a go once more in a few months.
If when men run it alone it shuts down their natty test, wouldn't it shut down a woman's too? We make test, mind you it's like 10 times less than men but it is still important isn't it?
Great Info brother +2
Damn ..nice post man +2
Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag. Npp/Prop all time favorite cycle, cut 5% on a 2500k clean diet in 6 weeks.
STICKIED..............S hould have been done earlier,this is priceless NPP info.
Yes. I have copy and pasted this countless times.
Thanks for quick response and the info was very helpful.
AnonVery well written... I love NPP by the way as well it is the greatest!!! Plus 1
My wife tried NPP for therapy purposes and she broke out like a filthy 14 year old boy so now we have 4 bottles collecting dust. I've never done a cycle though I'm currently taking Clomid 25mg a day for TRT (my natural test was at 269 last June and the four subsequent tests in the past 4 months all had me around 850).
My question is-Can an NPP-only cycle be run and if so what during and PCT should I run if I'm already using Clomid? She's also got oral Winstrol on the way that I don't think she'll touch either...she's probably got a little Anavar still as well. I've frequently seen that Test should be the backbone for every cycle, and I obviously don't have that on hand. Will I get benefits from an NPP-only cycle, will I need that Winstrol, and without Test willmit screw me up in the long run?
I have Nolvadex, Arimadex, and Aromasin on hand (I was thinking of occasionally adding in and subtracting various PCTs into my TRT, which has me feeling awesome by the way. We also have some Proviron due to poor advice given to my wife, she never used it.
My stats are 5'7 180 lbs., 11.5% bodyfat, 40 years old, again, no previous cycles.
No bro I would not run npp by its self u would be shut down quick and your wife would not be be happy lol.
I would not recommend npp for a first cycle either a first cycle should be a test only cycle after diet and training are on point to see how your body reacts to the compound if u need any help feel free to pm me I'd gladly help
Okay, thanks for the info. I kind of knew the answer...but figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.
very good information thanks a lot think I'll be giving it a try my next cycle +2
NPP has been around for years, I use to do it back in the early 80s. It's ester is 5 days and can be in the system up to 12 months before it actual clears. It will shut down your natural testosterone so you must run some testosterone along with it.
If u kick w npp, shouldnt u kick w prop too for libido?
You can if you want I have tired both ways with no issues I'd say if u are prone to deca sides then yes kick with prop also
Great information! Thanks for sharing! +1
RustyhookerThis really should be a stickie.
Thank you for the incredibly helpful info!! Cleared my questions right up. +1!
Great stuff man. Awesome contribution. +1 for all the info and lots of typing lol
Awesome post Nate, my girl and I have been curious about NPP. This helps a lot!! thank you +1 from me.
Came accross your NPP thread and some of the benefits reminded me of deca I used deca on my last cycle and it really helped my joints out tremendously. Now feeling excited about the therapeutic aspects of NPP minus the deca sides. Definately setting my sights for the future. Great info best wishes
Very nice +1 I like NPP very good juice
How did I miss this? Great info!
This was a good read +1
Damn good post bro, makes a good read. Never tried Npp but looking to in the future. Seems a good choice before trying deca. +1
LaTTTimer99+1 great help man thank you!
Perfectly laid out for the layman, thanks mate !
I was looking for a proper dosage for my NPP/DECA/TEST E cruise and you just went and made it easy for me.
What do you guys think of the following :
Week 1 - 5 NPP @ 200mg a week
Test E @200mg and Deca @100mg a week throughout subject to change depending on how I feel and blood tests.
I´m only after stable Test levels in the normal mid to high range plus the Therapeutic action of Nandrolone.
Thanks for the info mate, I've been thinking of running npp for a while now
In my personal experience NPP is amazing. Very full and hard look. Kicks in quick and effective and I feel the lubrication in the joints too. I had 350mg a week and then had to taper off because I was running out of my stash and my buddy went halfsies on it. Next time I will use it much higher dose around 600-700mg a week with prop around 500mg and like 800mg masteron prop. Yeah that sounds good
ancillaries of course will be dosed appropriately.
I love being able to come back to this post and remove some of the dust from my memory.
This is a very good post. My next cycle is going to b prop...npp..Winny. This will b my first experience w npp. I'm glad I found this post.
Fr sent...thx bro.
Any suggestions on how long one should continue the Prami after ceasing the NPP?
Great post, possibly add the progesterone factor and caber or prami for 19nor compound? +1
LOL I accidentally plus one'd myself instead of you, I swear I don't love myself THAT much!
Excellent post Brother. Fav and +1
Does NPP lubricate spinal disk? I've read it helps collagen synthesis. Which is better for lubrication, Tren or Nan? I tried to shrug 360 and I weigh 179 lbs, now I'm on prednisone and methocarbamol. Do you think NPP will help?
Has anyone run NPP for a comp. I mean right up till the comp.? I have one in 8 weeks and my joints are killing me. I am currently doing Tren @ 450 mg week and Test @ 475 mg. week. I am dropping the Tren next week and switching to Anavar and Test. Prop. for 7 weeks. I thought about adding Win. and NPP. I know people use the NPP to counter act the Win. dryness issues. But anyway, I am worried about water retention. I guess I could try it for a week or 2 and see for myself. If I bloat it should clear in plenty of time. Anyway, was not sure if people actually run this up until a show. Thanks
never ran it up to a show but I firmly believe that running under 75mg npp EOD can effectively aid joints without adding bloat
and the aid to the joints will be noticed in 2-3 days max
excellent post, nate. i too loooove my NPP!
RomanbrandThis is exactly what I have been looking for/researching! Great post +1
Nice write up, but I'm not a believer of certain esters cause more water retention than others. I think if someone bloats more on Compound A, Ester A than they do on Compound A, Ester B, it's because there's not an equal amount of hormone in blood levels during both instances. Regardless of the ester, the rate of aromatization and DHT conversion is the same as long as there's an equal blood level of hormone.
Also it should be noted that there's no literature that proves that deca lubricates joints through an increase in joint fluid, though anecdotal evidence suggests there's some temporary 'relief' whilst using deca (whether it's because it's anti-inflammatory or increases collagen synthesis in humans is unknown), I don't think this should be an excuse to train differently; If you have underlying joint problems, you shouldn't suddenly start training differently because you feel 'lubed up' on deca. Deca won't fix your joint problems, and believing this might cause you to injure yourself further. It should be looked at as a "well that's a nice comfortable feeling" not "Well, I think I'll add 30% on to my shoulder presses now!".
cbrant10Would it be sufficient to run Test P at 150mg eod and NPP 100mg eod for 8 weeks and stop NPP a week prior? I am 6'1 220 12%bf. I have ran 3 cycles before consisting of Test E 500mg 12 weeks, Test E 500mg week and tbol kicker 50mg ed, then Test E 600mg and Deca 400mg a week for 12 weeks.
What dose of npp would be comparable to say 500 mg of tren ace per week? planning to run npp on my next cycle for the first time.
That's like asking what dose of apples would be comparable to 500 oranges brother. Completely different compounds. Keep researching man, let me know if you have any questions.
Lol all good brother just worded that question wrong, running NPP right now and going very well.
im also planning a npp cycle next!
What's a good starting dose for a bulker for someone who's never ran npp before?
I would say 50 or 75mg ed with 75 or 100mg test p. I believe this is the range suggested above as well...