fats while on cycle
i am wondering if i should drop my fat intake while on cycle and add other macros protien/carbs to fill the caloric void? i ask this because it seems that almost every gear messes with lipid profile to a certain degree. i know i will be adding protein while on cycle regardless and i know food very well. i typed my question into the search bar and didn't get any hits on the first 2 pages and didn't feel like reading for hours today so. im just putting my question out there. i will apologize ahead of time if there is a thread i missed for any short fused folks out there that seem to rage on newb question. i want to get the most out of my first cycle both from the gear and proper pct and from nutritional angle,while still remaining as healthy as possible because if you dont have your health you are not gonna be a happy camper. my cycle plan is test e or c only for 12 weeks @500mg split into 2 pins standard pct of clomid and nolva with adex on hand if needed. My cycle is not to start till late summer/fall just trying to learn as much now while work is still slow. stats: age 32 height 5'11" weight 180lbs bf around 9-10% any advise and feedback much appreciated. Thanks guys
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For instance, if I am cutting body fat I would worry more about carbohydrates than fats, so cutting and eating 80% lean (vs 92% lean) ground beef isn't a problem for me.
Ive had a similar question myself, do dietary fats serve much of a purpose while on cycle? I understand there are benefits such a joint health, energy, test levels, etc. But do they serve a purpose as far as body composition while on cycle?
Little background info on myself. I got bloodwork at one point after dieting for over 6months (not on cycle), with a high protein, high carb, low fat macro split. My test levels were in the 250 or 270 range....which is low. Granted i was in the 6% bf range. Dieting for extended periods and low bodyfat are a recipe for low test levels. However i was super dry and grainy, which i think i can partially attribute to the low fats in my diet.
Back to body composition, do dietary fats serve a purpose while maintaining low levels of bodyfat(sub 7%) or going into competition prep on cycle. Is the low fats/thin skin concept a myth?
Bro, fats actually assist in water removal even in a prep cycle, they are protein sparing, and generally on a marco level if u let fat intake drop below 10% of your caloric intake, the body will go into survival mode and hold on to its fat reserves for dear life. How low is your version of low fat?
assuming you have the experience of experimenting with macros while on cycle. i would say you just answered my question. thanks for the information and insight. mythical +2 if i had points to give lol
I can attest to that. When I was cutting I brought my fat intake down to 5% of my macros and I couldn't seem to lose anymore fat no matter how hard I tried. I rearranged my macros so fat was 20% and boom the fat started melting off again, nothing else changed except my macros. This may not be the case if your bodyfat is in the teens or above but when you are going from say 8% to 5% BF you better make sure you are intaking plenty of good fats or it is going to be hard if near impossible to drop that remaining stubborn fat.
Yes bro, I made the same mistake. We both won't ever do it again, will we now? That's the only reason I made the comment, cause I remember the frustration. LOL
I succumbed to that wives tale that to lose fat you have to cut out all fat. LIve and learn. I keep telling people who are trying to lose weight to keep the fats in their diet but it is like beating your head against a brickwall with most of them.
lol my fats and protein stay almost the same all the time i learned its all about the mighty carb some time ago
i was just curious if the same applies while gearing up because i have no experience with that yet. thanks for all the feedback.
OK OK Want a little pro level diet knowledge and cut through the maze of competing opinions. I know I'm opening myself up to a potential battle here and I don't want one. So, my way out of that trap is simply to say it's worked for me and this is my most humble opinion . . .
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Please read the FATS AND OILS section on the left hand navigation. Then within that navigation look on top for a few more free things he offers. I think what he provides is worth the small monthly charge for access to the whole site. Again, in my most humble opinion . . . .
Oh, almost forgot - your question - no you don't need to change your macros on the cycle u are running. Are their situations where we do change macro's with certain chemicals for specific goals and purposes. Yes. But, not for what u are doing.
thanks for the info man
Avoid bad fats but eating good fats in your diet can actually
help your gains.
and this applies to being on cycle? as im well aware of the benefits of good fats for natural guys like me. hell i notice when my fats are too low if i skip my eggs and nuts for more than a day my sex drive drops significantly lol. i always try to limit any bad fats or excessive amounts. my diet is between 190-230 grams of protein day in day out for the past year. carbs i cycle with activity level gym days i usually go for around 300 grams per day. off days about half that. fats mostly from eggs,nuts,and meat. try to keep 50-70 grams a day. i use some dairy but not much a little milk and cottage cheese usually before bed. these macros have kept me stable in weight for over a year. what im gathering from the little input ive recieved thus far i shouldnt worry about my lipids for a first cycle and just up my total calories to grow as much as possible.
I would assume if your levels are within the normal range, I wouldn't worry too much, but I always say get the blood work done, things change and the only way to keep a grip is through the bloods.. if your diet is as good as you're making it out to be, than don't sweat it. All though some AAS have the tendency to lower HDL and raise LDL, but having a handle on the proper diet will help keep those levels within the proper range.
mid cycle bloods will be the determining factor then. thanks for the input man
no prob bro, bloods are the way to go.
for your first cycle, take the arimidex, it's hard for someone new to caught the onset of gyno, just prevent it from the beginning. Yes, fats are important to main a healthy diet. If you're concerned about putting on fat, up your cardio. Wake up on an empty stomach and do cardio, best way to burn fat. I would up run a 40/40/20 macro split and maintain it throughout your cycle. The idea is to grow, not all the weight you obtain will be solid muscle, because Testosterone causes water retention, due to the aromatizing nature, the AI will help keep this minimal. Also reducing your sodium intake will help keep water retention minimal. The best way to get the most is to eat and bust your ass.
no so concerned with putting on fat dieting for size and cutting for summer has always come pretty easy for me. i am more concerned about the lipid profile in my bloods getting nasty while on cycle,and if the amount of heathy fats i consume normally should be dropped to some degree during the cycle and substitute more carb and proteins.. eating and busting my ass will not be a problem been doing it for years just not with gear. thanks for the input. i guess ill just wait and see what my mid cycle bloods look like and decide whether or not to try and limit fats and cholesterol for more lean proteins and clean carbs.
What's your current cycle? You said this is your first cycle. So I'm hoping its VERY simple and proper pct laid out, you won't get an answer from us without answering that first. Rules are rules.
ok i updated the info requested. any advise on the topic now?
adding cycle plan in the post. not gonna do a spreadsheet im not good at that but am typing it up now