planning my fourth cycle and lookin for some input
40 yrs old, 5'10", 210lbs. Bf 16% and dropping. Hope to be below 14% when I start next cycle. Goal is to put on quality mass and lose some bf through diet. Experienced lifter, inexperienced with gear, but learning and open (know I need guidance).
Ok, technically this is my fourth cycle, but its my first since coming to eroids and doing the intense study that I should have done from the outset. The only problem I have with this at this point is that there are some minor information conflicts and I want to get some advice from my new brothers before the time gets too close and I have to make last minute changes. My first cycle was sust, 500mg/wk for 10 weeks. Second was deca, 600mg/wk for 12 weeks. Third was sust/winny, 500mg/150mg/wk for 5 weeks. Didnt know to have ai on hand, nor did I do pct. Now I know better. Thanks to all of you who have patiently answered my questions and written great posts that shared your expertise. Now. With everything Ive read, Im definitely keeping aromasin on hand in case any sides pop up. And definitely doing aromasin/clomid/nolvadex in standard doses for pct. The two cycles Im trying to choose between and need your advice on follow...
Week 1-5 40mg dbol ed
Week 1-15 500mg sust/wk (split into 2 pins)
Week 1-15 400mg deca/wk (split into 2 pins)
2 weeks after last pin begin pct.
Or, Im thinking of just sticking to sust for 500mg a week for 15 weeks since this is my first cycle with pct. The only reason Im considering doing the first cycle is because I experienced very few, very light sides in the past.
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Sorry for showing up late brother I was looking in the Cycle log section for this lol! I see you have been well taken care of and since I agree with what the big boys are saying I will add hit me up anytime throughout this if you need anything!
Thanks brother, better late than never, lol. Posted here cuz I wanted to hear from all the fellas before I made up my mind. I was really leaning toward the test only cycle so I could do it right for the first time and see how my body reacts. Everybody confirmed that is the better choice. Ill post it in cycles before I start.
It seems you already got all the best advice haha
It would be easy for me to say Im taking the collective advice of those who know a helluva lot more than I do about aas ( which advice I AM taking), but Im not going to copy their knowledge and run out and start pinning tomorrow. Rather, first Im going to understand WHY that advice is given. How will I do this you ask? You guessed it. More research. Thanks everybody!
We've talked on pm. My view is simple on this, back to basics, solid diet and hit the gym hard. No need to make recovery any harder by adding extra compounds. Test cycle and let's make sure your food is in order.
Diet is pretty eay for me because I was raised on whole foods and prefer them. Starchy, processed crap isnt really palatable to me. I love cooking and can easily control my fuel. Oats are one of my faves, try to keep the carbs complex unless its post workout, try to get 180 grams per day of protein, 120 from whey, casein, and a bit of soy and throw a little flax seed or fish oil in the mix when Im workin hard to eat better fats. I feel like my training and diet are on point. I stopped for 6 years and came back last year. Ive got a lot to learn about aas.
Two thirds if your protein is coming from shakes (120/180g). That's very little from real food. I've just eaten more protein for dinner than you eat in a whole day. Supplements are just that, supplements. Just to give you an idea, I consume about 400-450g of protein per day. Less than 100g of that comes from whey / casein. I'm not telling you to eat that much protein, but you are falling into a common supplement trap.
You know where to find me if you want to look at it in detail.
Thanks SDM. That 60 grams from whole food is from meat only. I dont count vegetable proteins. Sometimes the 60 is more, but its at least 60. The total protein intake is from 5 or 6 meals. I get rank and gassy if I try more than 40 grams at a time. But I will take your advice and try to up it to 240 or 250. Any more than that and I wont be able to move!
Rustyhookerhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...sho...
Stickied top of anabolic section. Read those stickies--colored forums--in each section. They cover a ton of info Plus input from regular dudes to vets.
On it. Thanks brother.
Your last couple of cycles were screwed up so I wouldn't chalk those up to successful cycles. Keep this cycle simple and just run the Sust so you can learn how to dial in your AI and run a proper PCT. these are the most important things to learn to have a successful cycle. Running the provi along with the test like rusty mentioned is a good idea. I am running all of my cycles from now on with provi and lowering the test dose accordingly.
Wilco brother. All you guys are the bees knees! Wheres my aromasin? Im gettin misty eyed!
If you run the cycle rusty has set out for you and still wanted a kicker id pick something like tbol over dbol
Prish bruthuh! Gonna run straight test, provi and pct this time to get it right and get my bodys reaction right.
great =D
RustyhookerYou state up top lean out which is a recomp. Deca/dbol will pufferfish you. Sust is a better choice. Enanthate/cyp even better. 500/wk and provi is all ya need given stats.
There you are Rusty! Thought I was gonna have to pm you to get your much valued advice...Dammit Rusty, now I gotta go research proviron!
I love it when someone makes me learn something! What can I say? Guess Im just a glutton for punishment.
RustyhookerProvi will allow a low dosed cycle the better effects. Even a 300Mg/wk cycle for the younger crowds becomes bionic. Free test....thats the key. Lower dosed....less conversion because low doses and better effects.
My muddafkn man! Taking this advice and going to diet and train to gain baby!
Thank you! I swear I have re-worked my cycle ideas so many times in the last month. You EXP guys keep dropping valuable information.
fact............. 300mg pr wk test prop with 50mg of proviron will yield more free test than 750mg of any long ester.
fact............ 250mg of test has the potential to increase protein synthesis by 25/30% depending on the individual genetic makeup.
fact............ all these massive test dosage runners have zero knowledge about nutrition and how/when to use or manipulate it........ thats why they NEVER grow and insist they must constantly increase dosages..... fkn twats all want their heads stomping.
Just curious, do you believe 50mg is the minimum or is 25mg good enough? I guess it all depends on your goals and how you react but I see everyone saying 50mg is better. I just like running just enough gear to yield my results
IMO..... 50mg of mesterolone (proviron). Pharma grade let me add, is adequate to unbind test and keep its Ai abilities for anything up to a gram of testosterone (any form , any ester).
Most folks on here know i NEVER use Ai ancills like adex,aro,letro etc........... all i use EVERY blast or cruise is a combo of 50mg mest ED and 300mg masteron E Pr Wk............ been doing this combo quite a while now with zero problems and had some great gains because i still utilise the highly anabolic power of estrogen... tends to be a brit thing so i dont push it down throats here.
Thanks for the info V. Im payin attention!
I think it must be a British thing. You and I only realised we both did pretty much the same thing without ever discussing it around 12-14 months ago?
I run things similarly to Big V, 50mg ed of provi and 400mg/wk of mast e.
yes we do bro... and lots more back home are running this now and say they will never turn back to the old way of strangling estro with heavy adex use...... and another thing that i think we never mentioned is muscle fullness that guys are loving due to not seeping intra-muscular water away by adex use...... most forget its a medium strength diuretic too that breaks down collagen which is basically the cement which holds muscle cells together............ maybe in another decade we may get a thumbs up on here lmao!
RustyhookerMy next cycles test doses will be a huge.....250/week. Provi boost. Small test/eq run. Easy Eat n grow.
When you say boost are you referring to the first 4-6 weeks of cycle?
RustyhookerPoor choice of slang. Provi thru cycle til pct.. Provi unbinds testosterone to useable free test. Blood work usually counts total test BUT if its all bound then you could be sky high but not gaining. Provi unbinds it so your body can use it.
Thank you I've already read the link you posted and reading more on Provi. Like I said I've re worked my cycles numerous times, I'm now leaning towards a lower dose Test and Provi, and maybe some EQ. Still doing homework.
Thanks Rusty and V!! Will adjust accordingly.
What is your goal here?...deca may not be the best option. If you arent prepared for it, it will make you blow up like a ballon(not in a good way)...i say this because your profile says bf way too much...get your diet on point and tuned in and when you cycle stick with just test and you will get great muscle gains and lean out with a solid diet
Im listening brother, thank you. Ive been on deca before and liked it a lot. Diet is not a problem for me and bf isnt that bad, just higher than I want. Goal is quality mass and strength gains and my diet will take care of the bf.
I know you've been around I've read some of your comments, but go ahead and put your stats up also. How long since your last cycle? I'd say your second choice is better. Why not just do Sust @ 500 for 12 weeks? I think you will get plenty of results. Maybe throw some Dbol in at the beginning, but hold off on your Deca, the dosages are a little close between the two and you need to run your Test out 2 weeks longer than Deca.
Thanks pin. Not tryin to be a dick, but stats are up. Or are you talking about in this post too? I can do that. And I try to discern between responders if ya know what I mean. Thanks again bub!
K, Im listenin. If I cut the deca 2 weeks earlier, would that help this cycle look better?
14 Test and 12 Deca would make that cycle look better or 12 and 10, but don't know if it's the cycle for you. What is the reason for Deca in this cycle?, if you don't mind me asking.
Water retention was not that bad at 600 mg/wk. I figure with 400 mg with 500mg sust and aromasin on hand Ill be ok. But I need and apprecite your advice. Nothing is concrete yet. Im a sponge! If Im reading wrong or misunderstanding, Im good with being corrected.
Did deca last year and grew like crazy! Protein synthesis was through the roof. Even tho I held a little water I lost bf (good diet) and my creaky old shoulder felt better.
The reason I would suggest Test only this run is because of you're previous cycles not including PCT. If you run a proper cycle all the way through you will benefit from it and keep a good amount of gains. If the joint aspect of Deca is appealing then a low dose of even 200mg would probably help in that area. Do you have caber or prami on hand for the possibly nasty sides of Deca? Just because you didn't have issues before doesn't mean you won't this time.
no.that dose deca will shut him down without gaining, not enough for muscle, its test only with ai and pct so he can learn to run a cycle properly op.go get bloods done then post back b4 you cycle again
Seems to be the consensus.
Aromasin is the only ai Ive got. Leaning toward the sust only, but that deca feeling of ladt year keeps my mind sayin 'yeah, but...'
Mind and body are two different things.
Yea I know they are in your profile, just nice to have them in the post also. That's good I noticed that. I don't get some people.
I know, right? I think its better for me to just admit I dont know and ask for help so I dont look like too big a jackass.
Id do the sus deca dbol cycle as it looks pretty sensible to me dude
Fill out your profile with stats and some cycle history before you start throwing out info and advice
You just created an account then hop on here and tell someone go ahead with your cycle looks good?
You have no stats listed and clearly are not in a position to give a go ahead on a cycle. I'd suggest seeing how things operate around here before you jump into a post, if you make it that long.