Forum: Low test+high tren = very high estrogen ~hitmantheripper, 2014

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hitmantheripper

posted Sat, 02/08/2014 - 03:16

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Low test+high tren = very high estrogen

Hey guys,

I'm from Germany and so please excuse my bad english.

My current cycle:

Test E 70mg e5d
Tren E 400mg e5d
drosta e 300mg e5d (for recovery and so)
caber 1mg e5d

3 weeks later I get a little gyno and use 25mg Zydex Aromasin eod & 40mg tamox ed.

Now my blood test: (2 month after starting the cycle)

Test 15.11 (3.5-8.6)

Estradiol 632 ng/l (10-45)

Prolactin <1 (3.3-15.2)

My test level ist a bit to high because my libido was bad and then i used a bit more than "70mg", maybe 100mg or 150mg a few times.

But what the hell Estradiol of 632 ng/l ?!?!?!
And if Aromasin is fake or so... that is still not possible ?

What should i do now?

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MegaT883
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02/14/2014 - 15:15

It's a false reading if estradiol was tested by using Roche ECLIA test. The tren is faking out the test and reading as estradiol. 70mg or even 600mg a wk of testosterone will not covert to that much estradiol even without an AI that's a fact. Learn more about it here:

http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/updated-3-tren-causing-...

http://allaboutpeptides.com/trenbolone-can-skew-estrogen-tests/

Muffins
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02/08/2014 - 08:56

There is a thread on this site that Tren will cause incorrect e2 blood levels.

mwagner630
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Muffins
02/09/2014 - 14:00

yes there is, and its a great thread, which explains everything about it. its a must read for anyone who runs tren>>

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mwagner630
02/09/2014 - 20:26

http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/tren-causing-e...

you mean this?

MegaT883
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hitmantheripper
02/14/2014 - 15:21

Nope that tread is totally incorrect as far as the issue with TREN. It has been proven It's the testing method that is used and is reading incorrectly by picking up tren and reading IT AS ESTRADIOL this testing (ECLIA) method will also show false elevations in a TOTAL ESTOGENS TESTwhen using TREN. You have to test estrogen by using RIA,LS/MSMS method or IA to get a correct reading. In the U.S. you would use Quest Diagnostic IA testing method which is used in the hormone panel for females or LC/MSMS WHICH is used in the hormone panel for males

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MegaT883
02/16/2014 - 00:33

So i go to my doctor in germany and say, i would test my estrogen by "RIA,LS/MSMS method or IA" ?

theoretically with low test/high tren I have normal estradiol. so i don´t need aromasin/arimidex and so i dont need a blood test ?

Should I/you do one ?
"This Time" I have no "water storing" & no gyno or so... ( normal estrogen i think)

yeah i see at my old test " CLIA method", so youre right !

MegaT883
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hitmantheripper
02/16/2014 - 16:44

You would ask your Dr. if your last estradiol test was done in Electro-chemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) or (CLIA)if so then you would ask to be tested in Liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry (LC-MS/MS) which is the most accurate testing method or Radioimmunoassay (RIA).

Theoretically if your just taking 70mg a wk then that is correct. Your body when not on steroids naturally produces about 7mg a day or right under 50mg a wk. Tren does not convert to estradiol by Aromatase the same goes for Drostanolone SO the only thing that can produce estradiol is the testosterone and at 70mg every 5 days there is no way that's converting to 600 estradiol imposssible. Even if you were taking 1000mg of just testosterone without an AI you would not have that high of a conversion.

At 70mg every 5 days you should not need an AI. That reading for estradiol is a false reading due to the testing method that was used by the lab.

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MegaT883
02/17/2014 - 21:29

thank you !!! you are my hero

Muffins
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hitmantheripper
02/13/2014 - 04:18

That's the one

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Muffins
02/13/2014 - 04:45

and he is right???

Muffins
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hitmantheripper
02/13/2014 - 05:58

He knows his stuff. I didn't even bother checking e2 on Tren after reading this. If your e2 was over 600 you'd be sporting some tits real fast.

deathpenalty
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02/08/2014 - 06:14

High Estro from tren is normal thing in last months
also had 500 estro from 400 tren E p/w,but didnt had any high E2 sides
p.s dont waste your aromasin.Aromasin(and other aromatase inhibitors) will kill Estro which is converted from Testosteron.but if you injecting it ( contains with Tren?) you can eat even 100mg aromasin,it will not lover ur estro

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deathpenalty
02/08/2014 - 06:44

have you any study or so? i heard this first time :o

Bear Luvs PIE
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02/08/2014 - 04:13

Very interesting

~~ZewiAnabolX~~
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02/08/2014 - 03:37

this is after 3 weeks?

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ZewiAnabolX
02/08/2014 - 06:23

if I were you id be waiting for zewis reply.

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TheFlash85
02/08/2014 - 06:40

i wait

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ZewiAnabolX
02/08/2014 - 03:50

after 3 weeks at this cycle i get big nipples and little gyno. (before this cycle i run test only)
then i start with aromasin and tamox.

the results are 2 months after the start of the new cycle.

If Aromasin ist fake, (zydex aromasin from MD..) , the estrogen is still to much high...

All Roids are from a good source, 100% postive rating from Germany.
(constantly sweating, yellow urine, typically side effects of tren)

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hitmantheripper
02/08/2014 - 10:30

Test E 70mg e5d---------do you mean 700mg??

"after 3 weeks at this cycle i get big nipples and little gyno. "

sorry brother you AI is a no-go.. Switch to Arimdex-- Also it is not uncommon to have an estro spike while on tren.. so dont be worried there.. Switch your AI ASAP and get bloods done in 2 weeks.

and yes it can spike that high if your higher in BF%..

also change your dosage.. make it more 1:1 500test 500tren. or more tren than test.