posted Mon, 01/27/2014 - 09:02
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High total E, low estradiol???
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Ok guys... My total E is 272 and estradiol is 15.. This is very confusing. How in the hell can u get rid of these problems if it shows low and high?? I have classic high E symptoms, gyno, low libido, zero energy. I have aromasin and letro on the way but wont that make my estradiol even lower and get low e symptoms??
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First things first I'd get some nolvadex. You're gonna need it, it will prevent your gyno from getting worse as it blocks estrogen at the breast tissue site.
Before we setup a gyno blaster protocol for you could we get more information? What is your exact cycle, compounds, stats etc. Have you had gyno before? Are you on pct or post cycle? That alone could be causing your low libido and energy
If you want to blast that gyno a good protocol I would use is this:
days 1-3 Nolvadex 40mg/1.5mg Letro
days 4-6 Nolvadex 20mg/1mg letro
days 7-10 Nolvadex 20mg/0.5mg letro
days 11-14 Nolvadex 20mg/6.25mg aromasin
then resume aromasin.
Now with the above setup you might need to make adjustments depending on the progression of your gyno. You might be able to shorten the blast by a whole week it really just depends on how bad the gyno is. By the way I'd only use this if I was on cycle not off because you are going to feel like absolute shit during letro administration.
What were you running and at what dose and when did you stop in relation to your blood test? Were you taking an AI during your cycle? You have zero energy, libidio because you forget to mention your testosterone levels are 152ng/dl and your shut down. It would also help if you showed the reference range for the lab you used on that pic you posted. If Tren was in the mix and you jumped off I wouldn't trust that total estrogen reading in ECLIA. Want help lay out whats needed. What else were you running as it looks like you were Hyperthyroid looking at your labs. TSH at .33 come on man you trying to screw yourself up.
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/37296/image_23.jpg
You developed gyno and show low E? Wow. Have them run some more extensive bloods because you might be oversensitive and have to steer away from cycles. If you take a Serm or even a sarm you could flatline your E. Get in that doc's office and find out what the hell is going on.
His gyno is from his hyperthyroidism.
http://www.uspharmacist.com/content/c/10260/?t=men%27s_health
ahh, got it now, thanks.
When your hyperthyroid it causes you to produce more SHBG and more estro. The SHBG binds your test and the estro runs wild. You have a decress of free testosterone levels and in increase of estrogens. Then the increase in estrogen causes a higher increase of SHBG. Its a vicious cyle or circle one increases the other.
So it's still estrogen induced gyno though right? And u would use same protical to get rid of it? Will do more bloods. Thanks for eveything
Yes but you have a free estrogen/test imbalance. No not in the way your thinking. If your asking should you just take an AI. You need to attack the estrogen (E1 estrone which can convert to E2 estradiol) in your breast tissue.( to stop or suppress the gyno) You also need to raise your natural testosterone level by getting LH pumping again( LH is shut down whch is why your serum level is 152. That is what is affecting your energy and compounding your low libido). Need to increase you free test and serum levels that are getting binded up by SHBG and since you haven't answer this question if your taking any type of thyroid hormone you need to stop as that is what caused the whole problem to begin with. Think more in the lines of Nolva,proviron PCT.
I see now. Thanks brother. I was taking t3 like 4-5 months ago. I have sons hcg but was afraid if making gyno worse. Thanks for the advice +1
Ok I jumped over to the other discussion and now I have a picture of whats going on. You were feeling gyno symptoms and hit it hard with aro. Got bloods and your estradiol was 15 but total estro was was over 200. You had an estrogen imbalance in relation to test. You jumped off your cycle which really made things worse as now your test levels dropped. Your supplementation of T3 has caused you to be hyperthyroid which in turn increased SHBG. Which I already explained what that did. To correct all of the above you need to do PCT with more emphasis on Nolva and add some proviron. The nolva will suppress the gyno from getting worse. Normal PCT doses but Nolva would be higher than normal. 40mg straight through. Need to get test pumping again to correct test/estro embalance. Hope you didn't screw up your thyroid up. Don't use HCG it will shoot your test levels up and in turn your estrogen levels ski high and might worsen your gyno. Think clomid,nolva, proviron.
so he's got some lab testing to get done.
I wouldn't play around with this I would go see an endocrinologist before he causes something that can't be reversed. You have thyroid,test,estrogen,axis problem and on top of that gyno.
That's what I meant, seeing a endocrinologist and getting labs done, not mail order labs.
Trying to get into an endo, have an app in 3 months... I can't wait that long. I'm so stressed. It's super hard to get to see an endo down here. WAiting list and shit. Gonna csll more mon
You have any nolva on hand? I need to know what you were running for your cycle.
Just sent you a FR
Good advice, run labs again or with more detail. Had a friend get gyno from a short cycle of dbol... even with AI. Some people are indeed sensitive.
Short answer is yes, it will bottom out your e.
What does your prolactin levels look like out of curiousity? Was this a tren cycle or? On HCG?
Prolactin is low 2.1. Not currently on pct. stopped cycle due to gyno. Last tren cycle was ended 3 months ago